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I read somewhere (I think it was here) that the only reason BR don't recommend the tailgate on silder up jumps is because they worried about the tailgate catching on the mesh of a mesh slider.

Given that, would there be an advantage in using a sail slider with a hole (like PD use with their reserves) to allow the use of a tailgate on terminal delays?

I'm not sure of the rate of incidence of a line over, slider up, and so I don't know if it would be worth it or not...

Any thoughts?

You might want to just ask BR their reasoning directly. I think it's more a lack of enough field testing to recommend it than an actual problem with it.


In my opinion, a small mesh slider would be a better compromise solution. Many people are using small mesh sliders with vented canopies anyway, regardless of tailgate considerations.


I'd guess they run somewhere around 1 in a few thousand. But being under one just once is enough argument for me to look for a solution.

Just out of interest on the vented & slider issue - I am awaiting a new canopy (Troll MDV) - I would be interested in peoples views on the small hole v large hole slider with this (or other vented) canopies. I have used large hole on non-vented at terminal with only indirect slider control and found the openings ok to deal with.

Do the vents really make that much difference at terminal - and what delay do you start thinking about small hole??? As I dont think small hole is something i would like to do around the 6-9 delay?!

thanks!

oh and tailgate slider up - i heard someone was doing some testing on this a few months ago - any further info on findings???

Yes! Big diff.

On my first tour to a terminal wall i used large hole mesh on my Vtec Fox. The result; whacky and direct onheading openings.

On my latest terminal trip I choose a small mesh. The result: softer openings(longer) saving neck and back. Openings, still onheading.

If you choose small mesh, expose the nose center cell a quite a lot. It gives you onheading consistency.

Or, you can stay hard and not grow old/soft like me.

just my small, insignificant experience.

// Percy

I use MDV Troll with large hole mesh slider for all delays. Than I pack my canopy slider up I roll the nose -- 3 sells for each side. I use WLO toggles and I'm not worring about line over. I made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holes). It was slider up jump on the antenna 100 m. high. After opening I saw the slider half way down on the lines. I made toggles movement to let it come down. After that I asked myself why the slider was there because I remembered that it wasn't skydive.
I use mesh slider since that time

You used a sail slider on a jump from 100m? I'm glad you're still here...

Mark

Not necessarily. A sail slider deploys slower than a mesh slider because of the air resistance. On a very short delay, there isn't much air resistance to hold the slider up yet. With minimal airspeed, the difference between a mesh and sail slider is actually fairly small. The difference becomes far more noticeable at higher (and terminal) airspeeds.

I've seen people jump sail sliders as low as 500 feet. 100m seems just barely possible. I wouldn't advise it, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

fuck that!

I think it would be normal if the slider fixed on the risers or connectors on slider-down jump. I didn't do it that time.

That's initially counter-intuitive but then makes perfect sense. Really interesting stuff.