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I was surprised to see a manufacturer still selling Type-17 risers for BASE:

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Are many people still using them?

This is incredible. Type 17 risers don't belong on a base rig, let along in skydiving. Risers take up minimal space on a rig, so I could never understand why anyone would want to purchase the SMALLEST, WEAKEST riser available. Common sense should tell us to use products (skydiving or BASE) that have high breaking strengths. If you break a riser, you will probably end your reign on earth, unless the water below saves you.

What's next? Microlined BASE canopies with BASE slinks?

Merry Christmas everyone!

along whith pc and slider colaps

merry xmas to you aswell wooohoo im off work for 16 days...

I have to use Mini Risers with my current canopy to pull the slider down behind me. As for BASE its a silly thing to offer and I don't see the point.

I do know people who use PD Reserve slinks for BASE.

Can slinks handle the shock on opening???

Man, if you lost a riser......

Has a riser ever broken on a jump?

i think i saw a video once were somting like that happened,the guy/gal(i dunno) were saved by a slider that kept it together and water to a BIG splas landing

i Think Tom talked about it here some time ago i cant rember were.And sorry i cant rember which video it were(a Aussie video comes to mind?)

"The Pick" broke a Type 17 riser off a very tall cliff in California many years back.

I know the guy that 698 is talkin' about, and he's been jumpin' slinks for a good while. He also pops in here, so I'm thinkin' that he'll probably stop by and share his thoughts.

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Blair

 

I guess I think a little differently than some. I think along the lines of material size, strength, and history. Mini-risers serve no purpose to me in BASE or skydiving, as they are more susceptible to breakage and I'm not pulling my slider down behind me. Let's look at the numbers:

Type 8 = 1.719" wide. Tensile Strength: 4000 lbs.
Type 17 = 1.000" wide. Tensile Strength: 2500 lbs.

There is only a 0.719" width difference between the two, but a considerable difference in tensile strength.

It's up to everyone to make their own gear decisions.

-Slinks or connector links.
-Mesh slider tied down or removed.
-Type 8 or Type 17 risers.
-Collapsible versus standard BASE pilot chutes.
-Large 3-rings or small 3-rings
-Quick release toggles or standard toggles.
-Slider bumpers secured or not secured to connector link.

For me, I use connector links, mesh slider tied town, Type 8 risers, standard PC's, large 3-rings, quick release toggles, and slider bumpers secured.

My last jump on my Stiletto opened VERY hard and broke 4 lines. When I was packing it up to send to PD I noticed that the Type 17 riser was almost severed at the point of contact with the large ring...doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy!!

I know of three very experienced (1000+ jumps) jumpers (I was one of them) who have emailed the manufacturer pointing out that the design is flawed. None of us has received any response from the manufacturer.

I started asking about the risers in 2001, when I spotted a newbie jumper (who apparently didn't know any better) jumping them in Italy. I emailed his mentor, who straightened him out (and made him a new set of risers).

I wouldn't jump any gear from a manufacturer who seems so unconcerned about obviously substandard equipment.

Guys,
As I said....ONE DAY!!!
Materials getting better and better every day and we are here to explore the way how to apply new technology to our lovely activity .
I hope most of you will agree w me.
regards and happy holidays to all
Robi
side note:
I am jumping with permanent conected risers .
No 3-ring , no D link = no fear to lose the canopy

It's not "still".

They introduced the rig well after the practice was abandoned in the general BASE community. As several people have pointed out, I think just didn't know better, having failed to research the standard gear conventions for the sport.

Which manufacturer/s offer permanently connected risers? What if you have a tree/water landing and you need to cut away the canopy??

I'm pretty sure that they'll all build such a system on request.


Then you're hosed. Since Robert can pretty much deploy directly over his landing area on a wingsuit jump, I bet that's a non-issue for him.

The link I originally posted no longer works and the rig isn't visible on their website any more. I guess they got the message.

Mark
BASE 346

Robert,

You are correct that every year, we come up with new ideas, concepts, materials, and toys to expand the sport of BASE and skydiving. If it wasn't for your creative mind, where would the wingsuit be today, if at all?

There is a big difference between function and performance. Type 8 risers just need to function on a BASE jump, while on a skydive, others may need the performance aspect of a Type 17 riser. For connector links, performance is not really a requirement in my opinion, therefore the standard connector links work fine.

And just so you don't think I'm old school and resistant to change, I'm currently working on the construction of a slider that can quickly transform from large hole mesh, to small hole mesh, and then to a sail slider.....all in about 20 seconds. No need to swap out sliders. The design is finished and I just need to build one. I've also got a nice 3-ring modification that would eliminate hard pulls during line twists, but that design is still being worked on in CAD.

I also have a 3-ringless rig and I love it.

Have a good one!!!

Sigh...

I was trying to create a separate discussion about the advancement of the gear.

I think I'll cut and paste BASE428's comments into that thread...