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Andrej advised they can be pre-ordered and I understand there is at least one being tested in the UK.

It was mentioned that the glide has been enhanced implying that it might be a significantly different canopy.

Has anyone got one or flown one and can advise on its charachteristics?

Interested to hear info on this. I ordered an UL Vision 285 in early February, and am literally waiting on pins and needles.......

From what I have heard from a few folks, the Vision IS an OSP with better glide and sacrificing every-so-slightly on deep brake flight, but time will tell. I am curious as to how the OSP2 and Vision will differ

Ive seen the vision fly, and its makes me and my osp a little jealous

 
There is quite a bit of discussion and info on the Vision on this site.

From what I can make out it is a High Glide Canopy and has significantly different flight characteristics from the OSP. It is comparable to other High Glide canopies i.e. the Hayduke. The original OSP is perhaps more akin to the Outlaw. TomA has quite a bit of experience on Visions (and most other canopies) and has severally discussed them here.

Also there is now the VisonWS iteration.


I dont own either (yet) so I'm only repeating what I think has been stated in these forums.

I know a guy who can get you one.

well amigo I'm hoping to come for a baring load later this year - assuming I'm off supervised probation by then (which I should be)...... We'll have to catch up and you can jump my rig off something SD in your neck of the woods. Seeing that we have never actually jumped together........

 

I guess that most people know that the OSP2 has now been officially released.

So far I've been advised it has better glide, faster speed and better openings.

However, I really want to know if it's still capable of doing everything an OSP1 can do and for which it was designed and for which it is praised ie...

OSP1 Overview
"The OSP incorporates a new thicker profile to further improve deep brake flying characteristics as well as a shorter line set to promote faster openings and better on-heading performance. The OSP design also has the advantage of reducing the forward speed of the canopy after opening which helps object avoidance in the case of an off heading opening. A steeper descent on the order of one to one is desirable as for slider down jumps the landing area is generally underneath or close to the object. Thus not only is a low forward speed beneficial, but a low descent rate also. The canopy profile of the OSP has been specially selected to enable steep landing approaches, generating high lift even when the flow is partially separated"

Can the OSP2 really do all the above or is it intended for a different application entirely like gliding at a higher speed to far away LZ's?

If it does not build upon the strengths of the original OSP1 then in my opinion it shouldnt be called an OSP at all as it's misleading.

It says it does what the old one did but better. So gliding to far away LZs at speed is not what it's made for. It says that in the quote you included.

 

Am I misunderstanding you?

The quote I have included is for the original OSP not the OSP2

Seems it's me misreading the quote. I thought it was for the OSP2, with it mentioning improvements and a new profile. My bad.

I haven't ever encountered a BASE canopy that I would say had better openings than the OSP. That's a pretty high bar to set for the OSP2. I'll be curious to examine the specifics of its openings.

That depends on what you mean by "better". I've jumped two canopies that pressurized as fast, if not faster. The FOX xs being one. And the OSP was my go-to canopy for some time.

 


Andrej advised:
Flying and specifications are in between the current OSP and Vision but still closer to OSP as that is what we wanted. Vision has more speed and glide.



A UK Test Jumper advised:
..better glide, better in winds, still slow and safe, better openings

What is your go-to canopy now?

I must say, having performed well over 400, possibly over 500 PCAs (I probably did over 200 at the first AirgameZ), I?ve never seen a canopy open and fly as fast as a Fox XS when PCAd. I?ve never jumped one and the ones I?ve PCAd were quite small, meaning slightly shorter lines and less internal volume to fill, so I cannot speak too intelligently about them overall, however I was genuinely amazed how quickly it got flying off a Building in Glasgow

 
Jools,
I know you use a regular OSP and speak highly of it.
(i've captured a bunch of your posts over the years)

I believe you jump with a UK based Atair test jumper on occasions.
What have you heard about the OSP2?
Have you tried one?
Would you consider trading up your OSP1 for an OSP2?

I absolutely love the OSP, far superior to the Vision for my style of jumping. I really don?t think the Vision opens or pressurises any faster or better than an OSP I?ve jumped the OSP down to circa 88ft but I wouldn?t feel comfortable jumping my Vision that low (or my troll or Outlaw for that matter). I?ve not jumped the 2 but I?d say the openings were comparable (after PCAing them) to the OSP and Vision. I guess it flys a little further but it?s pretty hard to tell jumping low-ish Bs at 2am who had the better glide.

The Fox XS is the only canopy I?ve noticed opens noticeably higher than X canopy.

A FOX xs 245 and a custom Mayhem 240 with 5 large vents, a shorter line set and an all ZP topskin.

And I was under that FOX xs that Jools PCA'd from that lowish building in Glasgow.

How would you rate the control response on those canopies?

I have jumped both a FOX XS (no longer in production) and one of the Mayhem variants with the shorter lines and larger vents, and they both had super-fast pressurization (faster than anything else including the OSP). But I also found them a lot less docile than the OSP in terms of toggle response, and generally found the OSP better designed for dealing with the rest of the jump after opening.

I've found the Vision to open as fast as the OSP, and those two canopies to open faster than anything else on the market at this point.

There's definitely a spectrum of pressurization speeds, with (of general production canopies available today) the OSP and Vision in the first group, most canopies (Flik II, Hayduke, etc) in the second group, and then a slower pressurizing third group that pretty much consists only of the Blackjack and Outlaw. You can alter the characteristics somewhat by altering the brake settings (this is especially true of the Outlaw) but there is a limit to that (and other trade offs as well).

The control response on both is just fine, exactly what you would expect from slow and docile 7-cell BASE canopies of older design. Easily as docile as my two OSPs were. However, they lack the topskin slats, which means they do not have the same deep brake performance and "easy" flare characteristics: you have to think more about the timing and nature of your flare. I found I became lazy under the OSP because you can safely flare from quite deep brakes.

There are trade-offs with the OSP. For example, it may be really hard to stall it compared to (some) non-slatted canopies, and it may provide great stability in turbulent conditions, but it also lacks glide and wind penetration. I think the OSP is a great canopy for certain conditions, applications and styles; I loved it. I moved on because I needed to sell rigs and the OSP has good resale value. Also, Atair would not build me a custom one.

I think it's worth pointing out that most older BASE canopy designs are perfectly airworthy; I had qualms about buying my FOX xs because of the age of the design, but ended up respecting and enjoying it. It's ideal for my limited jumping style of mid (300') to low (114') objects using assisted deployment methods and short delay handhelds. Also, I am past 50, only jump slider-off and have no desire to utilize a faster BASE canopy that requires better reactions than my ageing reflexes can provide.

When considering a new OSP-style canopy, it might be worth investigating Bad Seed's new Beast.

I have a Mayhem. I'm not on here too much, so maybe the information I've heard is outdated. but with regards to investigating the Beast canopy from Badseed; what does everybody think of Brandons canopies?

My Mayhem opens darn quick and I'm impressed with durability haha, but I've heard a lot of different opinions on the flare, glide, and deep braked flight.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have Atair, who's consistency between canopies seems to be legendary.

I'd appreciate if someone with more personal experience with Badseed/Ataire could give me more info between the two companies, and similar canopies that they make.

The problem with evaluating Mayhems is that every one seems to be different. It's not a question of "is the Mayhem a good canopy?" but rather a question of "which Mayhem do I want?"

The changes in the design have been so frequent (almost continuous) that you have to actually have the specific Mayhem in hand to test it, in order to know what you're getting.

I've owned five different Mayhems over the years (we still have two of them in service) and they have all been dramatically different canopies.

I totally agree.

Many jumpers (and most manufacturers) would like to think that you have to be jumping brand new gear or you're in terrible danger. The truth is a long way from that.

I regularly jump gear that was manufactured in the 1990's and it works just fine. It's mostly a question of being able to evaluate the specific piece of gear you are using relative to your specific uses.

Anyone want my dagger?

My Mojo made in 1998 is still a beast, it has around 450 jumps total. I love that canopy!

 

Andrej advised today...

The OSP 2 was just released and it is possible to order. We wanted to refresh the already very popular canopy.

3D leading edge (each cell has its own ZP part, like Vision) with slats and mini stabilizers for deep brake flying.

The Dacron brake lines are made continuous, like mentioned above with VisionWS. The brake settings are now made with Spectra loops, as load spreads more evenly, less chance of brake line damage/fire.

The tail pocket is made a bit lighter compared to previous versions, less mass, less chance of bridle wrap.

The PC bridle attachment point is moved backwards as well, like on the VisionWS.

It has a bit more glide compared to the old OSP.

Additional sizes 235 and 255.

 
A recent internet convesation with a UK based OSP2 owner...


"I'm trying to find out if the OSP2 is a direct replacement for the regular OSP as I'm told it flies faster and further which means it will not be able to land vertically as well as a regular OSP. What say you?"

"I'm not sure who told you it flies faster, as this is certainly not the case. I have always flown the OSP, as I love a docile canopy, with great heading performance, a deep stall point and strong flare. The OSP2 has all these features exaggerated to mad degree yet on top of this it also has better glide, without increased speed. To put it simply I loved the OSP but the OSP2 is like the OSP on steroids"

"…but does steroids = high performance which now means it can't achieve "accuracy" type landings because it glides too much?"

"No it just means all the good things one wants in a docile canopy that's easy to control are amplified. I'm by no means a good canopy pilot, so when I'm in the city/urban environment I want the easiest and safest thing to fly!"


Conclusion
The OSP2 almost sounds too good to be true: it can do everything a regular OSP can but better and on top of that it can glide which was previously its shortcoming.

If this is confirmed then I'm swapping out my BJ for an OSP2

iv been testing the OPS2 in terminal for awhile now an can tell you 100% its not faster.... if your after some more info or to order one hit me up on facebook mate happy to help out

robin clohessy

I wouldn't say the "poor" glide is a shortcoming. In my opinion it was definitely one of the pros and planned feature - as stated in the OSP description it is for low objects where the landing is close or below the object.

It may be a shortcoming for people that have taken it terminal - but this is not what OSP what designed for.

Which was also what has always puzzled me - people buy a SD specific canopy and complain that it doesn't glide well and has fast/hard openings