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New vs. Used for first rig
Recently completed a FJC and am looking into getting my first rig so I can stay current at the Perrine which is nearby. I'd love to save some cash and buy used but since this gear essentially saves your life each time I'm considering going new for peace of mind. Is it worth it to go new or should I buy something used for my first setup?

Thanks!
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Did you happen to take the Snake River BASE course? I don't recognize your username, but it's new, so I can't say if I know you.

If so, you can just borrow gear (without limit) to jump the Perrine and stay current.


If not and you need to buy gear, my advice is to buy a cheap used rig if you're only going to jump the Perrine. That way you can bang out a bunch of jumps (and potentially thrash your gear with beginner mistakes like water and tree landings) and then order new gear for next year, when you (a) have hopefully had a chance to demo a bunch of different rigs (BASEgear.net has demos from several manufacturers on site in Twin Falls), and (b) are through the early phases of your BASE jumping when you'll be much harder on gear.

Note that I'm only giving that advice for Perrine Bridge jumps. If you want to jump more technical stuff soon, then my advice would be different.
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Re: [TomAiello] New vs. Used for first rig
Tom, thanks so much for the reply. I did my course with Miles since a friend had taken his course in the past and thus that's the one I knew about!

I think for the foreseeable future I will be jumping the bridge only. I come from a paragliding/speed flying background so this sport has a fair bit of new skills for me to develop. I felt like I progressed well during the course and look forward to continuing that progression.

Thanks again for the advice, from my lurking here it seems you're a great resource.

See you at the bridge!
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Nothing at all wrong with most used gear. There’s a ton of people that get into this sport and they get out quickly. I didn’t buy new gear until I was in the sport for several years. If you don’t feel comfortable inspecting it yourself, have your mentor help you out. Stay away from stuff stored near car batteries, multiple salt water landings, or owned by Australians.
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Re: [hjumper33] New vs. Used for first rig
hjumper33 wrote:
Stay away from stuff stored near car batteries, multiple salt water landings, or owned by Australians.

hahaha, funny thing is I was offered a Flik by an Australian but it has a claimed 220 jumps on it. New lines and one patch. I think I'd like to go with something someone bought and then didn't end up using much.

I think I'd be okay inspecting it. While a very different sport, it's still similar enough to paragliding that I think I'd be able to notice glaring defects. I suppose the main issue is that I'd likely be buying sight unseen online.

Is age much of a factor for containers? I was offered a 2014 Blackjack with under 20 jumps but the container is a 2000 Perigee Pro sized to fit me. (the container I want but that's pretty old)
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
What if u buy new and its faulty theres no forced rigorous checks etc in base jumping like skydiving gear...u roll the dice with half these dodgy managacters out there lol..your the test pilot .....ps I'm not being serious but fuck buying new expensive as shit just to jump that pussies bridge....a raven would he overkill Haha
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Skez wrote:
What if u buy new and its faulty theres no forced rigorous checks etc in base jumping like skydiving gear...u roll the dice with half these dodgy managacters out there lol..your the test pilot .....ps I'm not being serious but fuck buying new expensive as shit just to jump that pussies bridge....a raven would he overkill Haha

Haha I love how jumping the bridge is considered pretty tame when it's something like .001% (probably less) will ever do. You're right though that a piece of used kit has likely proven that it works.

I don't intend to jump the bridge solely forever but until I'm more competent/confident in the sport, that's the plan. Someday I'll hit spots in Moab for sure. Already guessing the height of every antenna I see and pondering their suitability for jumping.

Looks like used is the way to go!

So if an 18 year old container appears to be in physically good condition, is there any reason it shouldn't be good to go? I'd imagine a perigee pro is likely over built.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Have you considered the Rook by Apex BASE? A lot of bang for the buck.
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Re: [Heat] New vs. Used for first rig
Heat wrote:
Have you considered the Rook by Apex BASE? A lot of bang for the buck.

I've looked at it. It's about the same price as a blackjack and a gargoyle or similar container. Definitely competitively priced but still about a grand more than the used rigs I'm looking at.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
I think a grand is worth the 18 year difference
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Re: [Dadsy] New vs. Used for first rig
Dadsy wrote:
I think a grand is worth the 18 year difference

Yea that setup that was offered to me was a 2014 blackjack 260zp with 18 jumps and a 2000 perigee pro for $1650. The canopy is what I want but the container is definitely old.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
I've seen a parachute as old as 40 years still in good condition ..then theres shit used by an "Australian" that's only few years old and fucked ....Haha but yeh common sense here hey..like think about that bloke that used old shitty risers and learnt the hard way...
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Skez wrote:
I've seen a parachute as old as 40 years still in good condition ..then theres shit used by an "Australian" that's only few years old and fucked ....Haha but yeh common sense here hey..like think about that bloke that used old shitty risers and learnt the hard way...

Yea, I don't want to learn anything in this sport the hard way!
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
If you pick up that rig, you could definitely still pick up another newer used container for under a grand.
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Re: [BodeyM] New vs. Used for first rig
BodeyM wrote:
If you pick up that rig, you could definitely still pick up another newer used container for under a grand.

Yea, there's a fairly new Blacksheep Talus for $600obo, could be a good deal.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
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Re: [Heat] New vs. Used for first rig
Rooks are in short supply these days. Building them as fast as we can but they move quickly.

Not sure what size you’re after but we’ve got a couple of stock 280s moving through production now. $2,700 gets you a full kit, brand new, built to your measurements.

Used gear will be cheaper, just be sure to have a qualified rigger or manufacturer check it out. Most used gear can benefit from a little tune up between owners.
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Re: [bluhdow] New vs. Used for first rig
bluhdow wrote:
Rooks are in short supply these days. Building them as fast as we can but they move quickly.

Not sure what size you’re after but we’ve got a couple of stock 280s moving through production now. $2,700 gets you a full kit, brand new, built to your measurements.

Used gear will be cheaper, just be sure to have a qualified rigger or manufacturer check it out. Most used gear can benefit from a little tune up between owners.

I'd be looking for a 260, any of those in the queue?
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
parashootist wrote:
bluhdow wrote:
Rooks are in short supply these days. Building them as fast as we can but they move quickly.

Not sure what size you’re after but we’ve got a couple of stock 280s moving through production now. $2,700 gets you a full kit, brand new, built to your measurements.

Used gear will be cheaper, just be sure to have a qualified rigger or manufacturer check it out. Most used gear can benefit from a little tune up between owners.

I'd be looking for a 260, any of those in the queue?

There might actually be one in stock in Twin Falls, but I'm just getting back into town after three weeks in California, so I don't know for sure. Check with John at BASEgear.net.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
parashootist wrote:
Is age much of a factor for containers? I was offered a 2014 Blackjack with under 20 jumps but the container is a 2000 Perigee Pro sized to fit me. (the container I want but that's pretty old)

The effective service life of a container is almost infinite, if it's treated well. Honestly, I think that sounds like a really good set up at a good price.

If you just want the BJ but have to buy the whole system, shoot me a PM. I'll buy the Pro from you (or work out some kind of trade for another container, if you want).
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Re: [TomAiello] New vs. Used for first rig
TomAiello wrote:
parashootist wrote:
Is age much of a factor for containers? I was offered a 2014 Blackjack with under 20 jumps but the container is a 2000 Perigee Pro sized to fit me. (the container I want but that's pretty old)

The effective service life of a container is almost infinite, if it's treated well. Honestly, I think that sounds like a really good set up at a good price.

If you just want the BJ but have to buy the whole system, shoot me a PM. I'll buy the Pro from you (or work out some kind of trade for another container, if you want).

Tom, I think hearing that from you is putting my mind at ease quite a bit. My first paraglider harness was 20 years old and provided good service. I think I'll be able to tell if it is in good working order. I suppose buying used gear also relies on some trust that people in the BASE community have each other's best interest in mind.

I really appreciate the offer and the guidance. I'll see what happens with the deal!
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
If you're not sure about the gear, you can always just hire a rigger to inspect if for you, too. That at least gives some reassurance that you've had a second set of eyes look it over.
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Re: [TomAiello] New vs. Used for first rig
If John doesn’t already have a 260 in stock he’ll have one in the next week or so. We’ve got a few kits headed his way and a 260 is in the mix.

Thanks Tom!
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Re: [bluhdow] New vs. Used for first rig
Well sounds like I should be able to get something soon! Thanks for all the advice everyone!
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TO: bluhdow
RE: a qualified rigger check it out

Could you explain which riggers are unqualified to inspect gear?

RE: a manufacturer check it out

Are all companies qualified to inspect gear?
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Re: [GreenMachine] TO: bluhdow
GreenMachine wrote:
RE: a qualified rigger check it out
Could you explain which riggers are unqualified to inspect gear?

Riggers who don't know BASE gear. I've had riggers tell new jumpers their rig "failed" because it had reversed 3 rings, for example.


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RE: a manufacturer check it out
Are all companies qualified to inspect gear?

It's always best to send it back to the manufacturer that made it in the first place.
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Re: [TomAiello] TO: bluhdow
Pretty much exactly what I had in mind. Apologies for any confusion, thanks Tom!
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Re: [bluhdow] TO: bluhdow
bluhdow wrote:
Pretty much exactly what I had in mind. Apologies for any confusion, thanks Tom!

Don't worry, there was no confusion. I was pretty confident Tom's response was exactly what you meant and was how I inferred your response.

Planning to jump the bridge next week and hopefully I'll make a gear decision then!
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Re: [TomAiello] New vs. Used for first rig
TomAiello wrote:
.... That way you can bang out a bunch of jumps (and potentially thrash your gear with beginner mistakes like water and tree landings)....

In my opinion canopy skills are near the top of the skills needed as a precursor to getting into the sport so tree and water landings that damage gear should not be an issue for well prepared students of BASE. Not saying it won't happen to experienced canopy pilots, shit happens and we'll all most likely end up in trees at some point, just that its not something that a competent canopy pilot should be too concerned with at the Perrine if you are not doing anything too stupid.
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Re: [base570] New vs. Used for first rig
base570 wrote:
TomAiello wrote:
.... That way you can bang out a bunch of jumps (and potentially thrash your gear with beginner mistakes like water and tree landings)....

In my opinion canopy skills are near the top of the skills needed as a precursor to getting into the sport so tree and water landings that damage gear should not be an issue for well prepared students of BASE. Not saying it won't happen to experienced canopy pilots, shit happens and we'll all most likely end up in trees at some point, just that its not something that a competent canopy pilot should be too concerned with at the Perrine if you are not doing anything too stupid.

My canopy skills are decent. My main hobbies are paragliding and speed flying so it's relatively familiar. The flare timing is different and they handle like tanks but I'm not too worried about trees or water at this point. I don't think I'd want to land in a boulder field yet though. I was using a 240 or 220 during my course but intend to get a 260.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
How much do you weigh? Curious as to why you were jumping such a small canopy...
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Re: [try2live] New vs. Used for first rig
try2live wrote:
How much do you weigh? Curious as to why you were jumping such a small canopy...

I weigh about 155. I flew and landed the 220 fine but after one flight I opted to go to a 240. The 240 was easier to land in no wind. I think the 260 will allow me to land in tighter landings easier in the future.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
dont worry about the landing in no wind its the down winder and yeh id always err on the larger canopy size if i wasnt sure which one....shouldnt be jumping in windy shit anyway so shouldnt be an issue.....not a headwind especially i stupidly did it once scared me enough to never do it again ill climb down shit now then ever do that again,,,,,i say this but u will prob see me on the fatality list one day for doing it hahaha...
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Skez wrote:
dont worry about the landing in no wind its the down winder and yeh id always err on the larger canopy size if i wasnt sure which one....shouldnt be jumping in windy shit anyway so shouldnt be an issue.....not a headwind especially i stupidly did it once scared me enough to never do it again ill climb down shit now then ever do that again,,,,,i say this but u will prob see me on the fatality list one day for doing it hahaha...

Yea I don't intend to jump in much wind, doesn't seem worth it. It is nice to land with a few mph in your face though.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Yeh and the wind also does fuckdd up things that u cant see...have a lot of broken bones from just underestimating the wind and anothers times I've had the wind turn...and of u check the wind factor in the gusts to.....if u really want to get scared of rotor ..wind direction and when it gets gusty etc fly a paraglider ...wont see me on them cunts anymore come to the conclusion there gay as fuck and dangerous as shit....but learnt alot
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Skez wrote:
Yeh and the wind also does fuckdd up things that u cant see...have a lot of broken bones from just underestimating the wind and anothers times I've had the wind turn...and of u check the wind factor in the gusts to.....if u really want to get scared of rotor ..wind direction and when it gets gusty etc fly a paraglider ...wont see me on them cunts anymore come to the conclusion there gay as fuck and dangerous as shit....but learnt alot

Haha paragliding is what I do. Flew for an hour today in fact. I'll agree that paragliding has given me a solid understanding of wind. I've been slapped by rotor a time or two. Paragliding can be mellow and safe or completely mental. Totally depends on the conditions you choose to fly in.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
done alot of paraglider gayness myself but my issue with paragliding is people see it as safe as its not so fast and extreme looking as base...its a sketchy sport that kills alot .. the worst part about it is even when your not being a dickhead u can all of a sudden get a collapse etc...all my flying was coastal ridge soaring so reserve is useless at the majority of the heights i fly///i dont even have one on my small wing ,,,there just sketchy ive never been able to relax on one and launching the cunts is even sketchier....if the wind raises a couple of knots its enough to pick u up and throw u back like your nothing...flown one backwards a fair while after launching....flown one backwards into a tree aswell.....got rid of them kept my speedwing and still use that but i got another flogged paraglider for cheap as and its use is to go on my base rig fly it up to height and fuck that death trap off....hopefully i dont find it after .....it is the shittest condition paraglider ive ever seen ...was sold as ground handler...ill be scared till it gets me high enough to use the parachute....but yeh if i ever died ill be pisssed if they call it a paragliding death....stacked my speedwing badly years ago and the news wrote paragliding accident,,,wankers made me look like a paraglider pussy ..it was a speedwing cunts not gay paraglider.....lol
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Haha sounds like our paragliding experience is a bit different. I love the sport. I enjoy launching and coring thermals up to the clouds. Evening glassoff flights are relaxing, mid day thermic flights are exciting, it's a nice balance.

Skez wrote:
done alot of paraglider gayness myself but my issue with paragliding is people see it as safe as its not so fast and extreme looking as base...its a sketchy sport that kills alot .. the worst part about it is even when your not being a dickhead u can all of a sudden get a collapse etc...all my flying was coastal ridge soaring so reserve is useless at the majority of the heights i fly///i dont even have one on my small wing ,,,there just sketchy ive never been able to relax on one and launching the cunts is even sketchier....if the wind raises a couple of knots its enough to pick u up and throw u back like your nothing...flown one backwards a fair while after launching....flown one backwards into a tree aswell.....got rid of them kept my speedwing and still use that but i got another flogged paraglider for cheap as and its use is to go on my base rig fly it up to height and fuck that death trap off....hopefully i dont find it after .....it is the shittest condition paraglider ive ever seen ...was sold as ground handler...ill be scared till it gets me high enough to use the parachute....but yeh if i ever died ill be pisssed if they call it a paragliding death....stacked my speedwing badly years ago and the news wrote paragliding accident,,,wankers made me look like a paraglider pussy ..it was a speedwing cunts not gay paraglider.....lol
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Yeh different flying thermals etc all my flying it's hard to relax when your ridge soaring windy cliffs with no option to use a reserve.....theres so many people that have collapsed there wing and had to use there reserve ....if that happened to me I'd be dead...pretty much stopped flying them for that reason ...it wasnt if it was gonna happen it was when ..I thought about getting into thermalling and flying places suitable....but yeh need a license to fly those places lol...
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Realistically you really shouldn't be taking any collapses while ridge soaring and so you should be able to relax. Especially at the coast where the wind should be laminar. Thermal flying where you'll encounter areas where strong lift and strong sink meet is where the collapses occur.

We've strayed off topic. Tongue Hopefully after this week I will make a gear decision!
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Paragliding can be excellent training for some aspects of BASE, just the same as skydiving can be.

There is a lot of wind and weather knowledge (especially how wind interacts with terrain) that skydivers just don't need to have (and mostly never learn).

In the same way that skydiving can be "BASE-lite" for practicing things like openings and tracking, paragliding can be used as a "BASE-lite" to learn about a variety of topics, especially micro-meteorology, in a less deadly environment, where mistakes are more likely to result in positive learning experiences rather than critical injuries.
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Re: [TomAiello] New vs. Used for first rig
Tom, I agree. I felt decently prepared for my FJC with my paragliding/speed flying experience. I plan to progress slowly at this sport and my focus for the foreseeable future will be honing my skills at the bridge.

TomAiello wrote:
Paragliding can be excellent training for some aspects of BASE, just the same as skydiving can be.

There is a lot of wind and weather knowledge (especially how wind interacts with terrain) that skydivers just don't need to have (and mostly never learn).

In the same way that skydiving can be "BASE-lite" for practicing things like openings and tracking, paragliding can be used as a "BASE-lite" to learn about a variety of topics, especially micro-meteorology, in a less deadly environment, where mistakes are more likely to result in positive learning experiences rather than critical injuries.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Yeh true off topic and the mountains I fly are clean ridges and not ideal that's all....and could just fuxk the paraglider off and run base canopy off the mountain .if u got a decent mountain u can have a heap of time to learn canopy stuff and wont be that pussy that put a base canopy in a skydive container and practiced at a dropzone out of a plane....ahahaha ..u can even ridge soar them... I know someone that has never skydived only ground launched and could land and fly a base canopy better then most skydivers
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
Not good advice for a beginner. You make it sound easier than it is.
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Re: [BigfcknG] New vs. Used for first rig
Hes already done the skydiving gayness so I'm not saying skip that I'm giving him other options to learn things a little differently and actually fly a canopy next to shit rather then 3million feet above the ground with no reference to anything except for that last flare u do on a dropzone to land on there 50 hectare wide open field......if hes experienced paraglider ground launching is already somethings hes highly familiar with and it's free...just sayin
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Re: [BigfcknG] New vs. Used for first rig
https://youtu.be/_DVyRtJyDNE

Something a little different but someone that understands what happens to wind when it goes up a mountain
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Re: [Skez] New vs. Used for first rig
I've thought about towing or ground launching for more canopy time. I'm not sure towing is a great idea since I'd likely have to run crazy fast to get off the ground and towing comes with its own risks. We tow up on paraglider but I really haven't heard of many doing it with a base canopy. So I've ruled that out.

I speed fly with a guy that ground launches a stiletto 135 so I do think it's feasible to ground launch these canopies but I think for now I'm just going to jump it.

Also I've stated previously in this thread, I do not sky dive. Some of the FJC's allow paragliding experience in place of skydiving so that's what I did. If I decide to do jumps with longer delays, I will have to get skydiving experience. For now I think my skillset is sufficient to safely jump at the bridge.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
You got this lol

https://youtu.be/7vam4Qu-P04
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Ah k yeh without skydiving your only choice is slider down stuff just go skydiving deal with the egos of them do some jumps and never go back lol...and as for towing up ive done it to just about everything including big square 7 cell canopies......I wouldn't fuck around with towing unless u have someone that knows alot about it theres so much that can go wrong and more to it then what people realise ....I used towing up a dirty old raven and cutting it away to to use base gear for the first time..... but I had been towing up shit for years and figured out for myself how to do it semi safely....including using a weak link etc....I wont go into it
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Re: [BodeyM] New vs. Used for first rig
BodeyM wrote:
You got this lol

https://youtu.be/7vam4Qu-P04

Wow did they just hook it to the trailer hitch? That's super dangerous. We have a towing winch specifically made for paragliding with adjustable tension. Damn!
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Haha fuck that's me.... u dont need to see the sketchyness look away

That was the first attempt even first time using base gear

And again https://youtu.be/eLkE0gSejoA
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
And it looks like it's not thought out but the line breaks if something happens it broke so many times as it was to far on the weak side on purpose so any gusts or car speeds to quick the "weak link" breaks....and it's a proper paraglider cutaway setup ....line snaps before u can get into any real trouble and the line cutaway is legit so u chop it if in doubt .....and I have radio contact with the driver ....and in my defense i have warned everyone that asks me about this not to do it unless they know what they are doing ......we all seenthat paraglider that jammed up and rode a canopy lockout into the deck https://youtu.be/7LED3q88rGw that's what happens if u aren't ready to sort your own shit out and just chop the cunt
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
parashootist wrote:
Also I've stated previously in this thread, I do not sky dive. Some of the FJC's allow paragliding experience in place of skydiving so that's what I did.

Be careful with that.

Just as skydiving misses some really important things for BASE, so does paragliding. The two sports are complementary (meaning they each provide some good knowledge), but they do not _replace_ each other.

As a paraglider, for example, you have zero experience managing openings (something skydivers have a ton of experience with). The opening sequence is by far the most critical part of the BASE jump. Statistically, the vast majority of critical and fatal base accidents occur either during or immediately after the opening, and involve a mis-management of the opening sequence. That's something that skydivers are preparing for on literally _every_ jump, and for which paragliding, ground launching, and speed flying give you exactly zero preparation.

The same logic applies to packing (good experience skydiving, but no experience from paragliding), micrometeorology (good experience from paragliding, but virtually none from skydiving) and a host of other topics.

Don't view paragliding as a substitute. It's not--it's a complement.


Viewing skydiving as unnecessary also greatly handicaps your progression. Very few BASE jumpers don't dream of big wall jumps, and skydiving is one of the very few ways to gain the terminal free fall skills for that.

I have a friend who took the paraglide-speedfly-BASE pathway, and he is really bummed that he really can't (with any degree of safety) join in the big wall european trips. It can be frustrating to be an experience BASE jumper and know you have to go back and do "remedial" skydiving training if you want to play with your friends.
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Re: [TomAiello] New vs. Used for first rig
Tom, you're definitely right that by not skydiving I am missing out on valuable training. I knew going in that I would be limiting myself to slider down stuff which is okay with me for now. I'm close to the bridge and intend to jump it with my friends. I think I have a good understanding of the limitations of the path I've chosen for progression. I'm okay with them. I 100% appreciate all the advice given. I will be extremely careful in this sport.

Disclaimer: To anyone reading this considering getting into base, please make your own informed decisions. The path I have chosen has limitations, it is likely advisable to combine skydiving and paragliding for a more complete training regimen.


TomAiello wrote:
parashootist wrote:
Also I've stated previously in this thread, I do not sky dive. Some of the FJC's allow paragliding experience in place of skydiving so that's what I did.

Be careful with that.

Just as skydiving misses some really important things for BASE, so does paragliding. The two sports are complementary (meaning they each provide some good knowledge), but they do not _replace_ each other.

As a paraglider, for example, you have zero experience managing openings (something skydivers have a ton of experience with). The opening sequence is by far the most critical part of the BASE jump. Statistically, the vast majority of critical and fatal base accidents occur either during or immediately after the opening, and involve a mis-management of the opening sequence. That's something that skydivers are preparing for on literally _every_ jump, and for which paragliding, ground launching, and speed flying give you exactly zero preparation.

The same logic applies to packing (good experience skydiving, but no experience from paragliding), micrometeorology (good experience from paragliding, but virtually none from skydiving) and a host of other topics.

Don't view paragliding as a substitute. It's not--it's a complement.


Viewing skydiving as unnecessary also greatly handicaps your progression. Very few BASE jumpers don't dream of big wall jumps, and skydiving is one of the very few ways to gain the terminal free fall skills for that.

I have a friend who took the paraglide-speedfly-BASE pathway, and he is really bummed that he really can't (with any degree of safety) join in the big wall european trips. It can be frustrating to be an experience BASE jumper and know you have to go back and do "remedial" skydiving training if you want to play with your friends.
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Re: [parashootist] New vs. Used for first rig
Well just to update, I have purchased gear. In the end I decided to go with new gear. A blackjack 260zp and a Blacksheep Talus 2 are on the way. Should have everything next week I hope Smile

Thanks for the advice everyone!