Basejumper.com - archive

Hey all,

Wondered if anyone could tell me the tracking lines the guys flew in super terminal. Looking at the videos they seemed to have been wearing some kind of arm wing.

Anyone got details of suit or closest equivalent, I imagine a of classic would be similar but I haven’t seen anyone fly lines like that in a classic suit.

It’s funny the trends of these tracking suits. You see the sumo2 or any of the big suits and you think wow that’s a great tracker in a huge suit, looks like wingsuit GR.

Then I re watch super terminal and think, tracking hasn’t come that far since those dudes just sent it.

So are superterminal lines possible in a PF classic suit? Anyone got any vids?

cheers

Blue

What you saw in Superterminal was years of practice and hardcore ability. Something that is lost on a lot or people these last few years. You will often see people tracking just short of the road off High Ultimate in a classic!

I agree completely. Base has gotten into the realms of selling products to make people feel like it will make them better at whatever they are relatively shit at!

Most of the lines are from jumps in Romsdalen, Eikesdalen and Litldalen. Several good trackers have flown the same lines in the classic PF tracking suit for years. VKB were, and still are, badasses! Ted Rudd is another legend and fantastic tracker. Andrey Karr and Eiliv Ruud as well :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqddIkOjLyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am22-pZLimY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAzAELQd8M

Perfect. That’s what I was looking for! Appreciate it. Pure tracking ability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqddIkOjLyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am22-pZLimY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAzAELQd8M

not to hijack this thread but i think this is sorta relevant. Ignoring the obvious variation inducing factors what is considered to be the sustained glide ratio limitation of a PF 2 piece. From skyderby it seems just over 1.6 is possible. I can't seem to exceed 1.45.

road from HU is possible in classic PF tracksuit. plates below ITW are possible in classic PF tracksuit.

It's difficult to compare tracking performance in the valley without taking canopy time into account.

I was told 1.2 for the PF classic and I think that's about right - for a sustained GR.
Like you I have been getting up to 1.5 in my TS, off big objects and skydiving as well, but that doesn't mean it's sustainable. I can see on those BASE jumps where I was achieving GR of close to 1.5 the forward speed was slowly dropping off, I just deployed before it manifested into a stall.
And skydiving I achieve my best GR on the downwind leg of my pattern so there's winds aloft that are giving it a bit of a bonus.

There are going to be physical factors (body size, shape and weight) that simply can't be overcome.

So while the max glide for the suit may be 1.6, the max glide for any specific human using the suit may be substantially lower. In other words, Deimos, at 1.45, you may really be maxing out what you can do with the suit, given the constraints of your physical form.

Since we have the experts here: Can you guys do it? Show us!

Talk is cheap, put the money where your mouth is. Make the road from flowerbox or via, last time i jumped HU i deployed right between lisas and framptons house. Just saying. The wingsuiters were reconsidering their life choices while they shaked their heads.

Haters gonna hate, bitches gonna bitch, keep warrioring that keyboard until you turn blue in the face while us trackers are tracking!

Dunny is one of the people to ask about the VKB suits, if we are lucky he will chime in with some info. There's been some interesting experimental designs over the years.

Here's some of my own jumps in the PF classic and I'm nowhere near the level of the jumpers in other videos above. You can get a lot out of that suit if you put some work in to improve.

https://vimeo.com/196715281

here's an old flysight track from regular brento exit over the plates. and the numbers aren't particularly pretty. I'm not against new one piece suits, just saying what can be done in an old pf suit. glad you like your horse.

https://skyderby.ru/tracks/351/map

I'm looking to a lot of numbers over the years and what I got from them is:
- 1.3 AT A CONSTANT ON-TRACK SPEED (sorry for the MAJ but it is very important) is the max you should get from a PF regular.
- road from HU in a PF regular would mean a low pull for sure, do not try it it's stupid !
- 1.5-1.6 from a PTS at a constant on-track speed is very good, probably the max also.
- road from HU in a PTS is not easy at all and will also lead very probably to a low pull !
- LOWER IS NOT FURTHER !
- the VKB guys put in some of their tracking suit some bungees or ropes that were thight from one thumb to the other, that's adding a bit more surface under the arm, but at the same time it blocks the inflation (if there was one).
- I will not talk about the big suits, this post is not about them and everybody should do the same or create a new post if they want to talk about them.

I’m no expert tracker, but I’ve got some video of pulling just short of the road in a first gen pf suit off HU, and I’ve seen rami do it in multiple occasions. I’ll see if I can find it when I get home. You sure do call a lot of people keyboard warriors for someone with more posts than jumps :). And you make it to Lisa’s in a two piece og pf suit? That’s pretty impressive.

I was just replying to them onepiece–haters. Skip, the track doesnt seem to load properly for me, at least you made the effort with putting substance to what you claimed, thats cool.

I can afford that hjumper, i get applause regularly for my tracks, and that is not limited to being from whuffos. In fact, for them i‘m just another wingsuiter.

And nope, but i go past lisas with my mono with ease.

Have a great season everyone, dont die and dont piss off the locals!

Like you passed the road at Brento ?
Easy taunt I know, but makes me laugh a lot !

BTW don't post a proof, I'm sure you did it.

How about you post instructions how to fly your suits so jumpers stop harrassing us on how to fly them?

I think you did not get that from the beginning you are not talking about the question that was asked first.
Only thing you do each time is talking about your suit.
What I was trying to do with humour is to say that when somebody is posting something about the PF classic I don't see the point of talking about big suit.
That's why I will again not answer to you about that, if you want to talk about that tell us how great is your suit there is a post you created, go there and stop polluting other's posts.

Get your 2 pieces tracksuit out and show us your skills in this suit as it is what this post is about.
Did you ever cross the road from HU with it ?

Your reading comprehension is clearly skewed Or is it your attention span?

**picks on others then continues to do the exact same thing

My BASE1817 comprehension is clealy screwed !

What exactly did you think Skip was saying that was anti 1-piece? He only said that 2-pieces are way better than most people think (If that equals 1-piece hate, then your boast about your 1-piece performance is definitely hating one wingsuits. Why you gotta be so down and douchey on wingsuits, bro?). The point is that a well flown 1-piece is a beautiful thing, but so many are using them as a crutch to get the same performance they could have from just learning how to use a conventional tracksuit properly. The same skills that would then let them fly the 1-piece like a boss instead of just floating along thinking they're doing ok because they're outflying their buddy who's sticking with his 2-piece and building a skillset like he should.

I'll throw up a Brento track diving over the talus and opening on the gravel pit in a first gen Sumo. It's easier to fly than a PF classic, and I'm decent but not a ninja, so on balance the performance is still short of what the best guys could do in the PF. And yeah, I went further than the guy standing on the exit in a Sausage. He figured a few things out over the next couple days and got it switched on though.

It's a very nice track you made with the Sumo here.
But I cannot let you say that the Sumo is easier to fly than the PF classic. It is more powerfull as it is in the PTS range, but not easier to fly.
PF classic is probably the easiest tracking suit to fly, you can fly it exactly as you are flying in slick.

There are different aspects I guess. I suppose it's more difficult to control, but easier to extract performance. IMO.

Sumo is just bigger. I think that you cannot compare its performances to a PF classic.
I've seen more people getting almost the full power of a PF classic than people just flying good in a Sumo.

WOW you are so, like, awesome and stuff.

I actually find the PTS easier to fly than the PF classic. The PTS feels a lot more "balanced" to me, where I have trouble keeping a good track position in the classic.

The Sumo 1 was harder for me to fly than either, but had more power than the PTS. The Sumo 2 was a big improvement in (in my opinion) the correct direction, and while I didn't find it had much (if any) more power than the Sumo 1, I did find it _much_ easier to fly.

I think ease/naturalness of flight is actually the most important criteria in choosing a 2 piece suit, which I really view as a mandatory piece of safety gear for big wall jumps. Ease of use and intuitive response are going to make emergency response (returning to heading after a bad exit, for example) a lot more natural, and therefore I think that they are much more important than overall power (especially power at terminal).

PTS pants Classic jacket combo?

The PTS jacket is actually a better balance match for me than the PTS pants/classic jacket. And I find the PTS jacket much more comfortable. The high neck of the classic jacket is just annoying.

..which you would presume PF agrees.

I've only skyjumped the classic and PTS pants/classic combo and a tube 4. I always hear things about the PTS/classic combo as being a great option; I definetely had the best results than compared to the tube 4.

tube 5 data looks interesting though..

Funny - I've had the complete opposite experience.

Love my TS, like the high neck and that it has a hood included. TS is super easy to fly and easy to get a nice track with practise.

I skydived a PTS for the first time last week and while I did feel the additional performance I don't think I was doing better than my best tracks in my TS, and I felt it was going to take a lot longer to learn how to really tap into it. Didn't like the neck either.
Tried the classic jacket / PTS pants combo and it was quite nice, I see why people like it, but if I was to get a PTS I would likely use the PTS jacket.
All in all I really liked it and would totally get one if I had a bit of spare cash but I am still not maxing out my current suit.

I always advise newer jumpers to get the classic TS as their first suit. I actually almost got the PTS myself but was talked out of it and I'm really happy I got the standard one.

I've seen a few people who I think would have been better off in the classic TS as not yet having the experience to manage the extra bag in their high volume tracking suit seemed to be slowing them down.

This is the point imo.
It depends on the person, body type, torso/leg length, weight distribution, natural tracking position etc.
Different suits will work better/worse for different people. I think the AoA the suit puts you in is the most important factor. If you have to work more to get there it will be more difficult (for you) to fly.

Of course there are less personal characteristics, too. The ankle power of the Tube3 makes it difficult to control but it's not impossible to get great consistent tracking out of it.

It's also worth noting that in terms of height/weight ratio you and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

I need to put some more time in on my Tube 5. I've had it for more than a year now, but I find it substantially harder to fly than my PTS, so I tend to default back to the PTS for BASE trips.

I think I just need another week or two at the DZ jumping the Tube 5.

In the spirit of mixing and matching I have done a few skydives with the Prodigy pants and PTS jacket.

I found performance to be similar to the PTS (distance), and the comfort to be far less. The pants would put you very head low and I ended up with wider arms to compensate...so it felt like whatever gains came from the pants were negated by the drag of keeping my arms wide.

Fun experiment though. Just left me thinking that PF probably didn't pair those two components for a reason. =)

I can't help thinking you've missed the point of pairing those two items in the first place - and it's not so much distance as insane speed. No need to compensate so much with the arms, just let it go head low and use it

Perhaps I'm alone in this, but I really like the Prodigy (the whole thing). I find it very easy to fly, and very non-stressful, and it gives me a lot of range (can stay with trackers, but can also push out past the one piece tracking suits).

I am approaching the end of the weight spectrum I do not wish to be at I can assure you. You will have to send me some diet tips.

Hiking

But first a hotdog from the Statoil.

That was a sick track!

Onepiece-hate IS saying they-re only a crutch. So is saying 2-piece trackers are not worth your time. I like to see onepiece-suits as safety features, as they allow you to go really far, as long as you dont end up in the powerlines along the river that is.

Oh, and as for WS-BASE, dont even get me started, i hate that shit with a passion! Not the activity itself, but it killed too many people i actually liked or cared about. I also think most people that begin are way too young and ill-prepared. I stop talking now because i start about safety again and thats boring, I‘d rather go out end up in the top 3 of the local low-pulling contest. I believe I could make it to #1, but I also believe in trying to do something sustainable.