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Suppose ("why" is not important) one wanted to get their BASE number with all legal jumps.

Theoretically, is it good enough to simply not be committing any convictable crime? What if you are technically not trespassing to climb an object, but you know that you would not be permitted there if the owner was aware of your true intentions? So they haven't really said "no" but they haven't said "yes" either.

For example, the case of a tower worker, who is authorized to climb a tower, but does not have permission to jump. If the plans were found out, said employee would get fired and therefore lose permission to be there.

Not technically breaking any laws that you could get convicted of in court. So not illegal. But is it a better standard, to be able to publicly say what you did without criticism? Just starting a discussion to see various thoughts.

(Basically, I want to get a legal antenna jump to complete my legal BASE #, just for the hell of it. It's just a philosophical discussion, but has a real world application for me...)

Being Fired and Arrested are 2 very different things!!


I have jumped 3 antennas on land owned by people
who have given me express permission to be there.

Being on the land and on the towers are 2 very different things!

I thought it was only trespassing if you've been asked to leave and you refuse .
The land or antenna owner can put up signs to make you aware you are trespassing on private property.

That's UK law Al, USA have criminal trespass.
In the UK it is strictly a civil matter and even if you refuse to leave, the owner can only sue you and not have you arrested.

Re legal jumps, I was at a legal A event a couple of weeks ago and there have been others in Europe over the years.
There was a big one in Hingry a few years back if I remember rightly?



#landofthefree

GreenMachine: Like the question base570 implied, did the landowner also own the tower? If so, I'd count that as legal for sure! (But if a tower owner/operator leased the space from the landowner, I doubt it's the landowner's right to permit you there)

almo: towers in the US generally have "no trespassing" signs all over them, so of course i would never climb those

jools: I remember hearing about the Hungary event several years ago. The tower looked like this if i recall correctly. I don't know if that was the 2005 budapest base boogie or not. I'd love to learn of any potential future events though! What was the event you attended?

I distinctively remember you saying you were logging it as an O, buddy! :)

#islandmonkeysandtheirweirdhabits
#alsomonarchywhatsthatallabout

Kerkko
BASE1184

I did!!!
But I know a lot of non-believers log Freestanders as A's

#youfixedmywindowyet?

if it's a truss framework and "wind blows through it," I call it an A, even if it's a freestander with 3 or 4 legs.

if it's a tower made of concrete and wind blows around it, i consider it a B or an O

What would you classify a chimney as? B?

probably an O[ther], but that's just me. I like asking, what would a 5-year-old call it.

i think a building needs to have a roof and "stuff inside" like stairs/elevator, rooms, inside doors.. it doesn't have to be square, though

edit: typos

I also subscribe to the "legal-only" jump philosophy. I have never performed an illegal jump.

Yes, my occupation sets me apart from most BASE jumpers. I know that I lack the "rebel spirit" most of you have. That doesn't bother me, because chasing monsters has filled that void that once held my rebel spirit.

If I introduce myself, I will tell you outright what I do for a living. This sets the stage, and you will immediately see my purpose is to jump, not to infiltrate the group.

Cheers to the legal BASE numbers. I will be including my bio in my application to get my invitation to the sanctioned events (B & A). Hopefully the organizers will grant me an invitation.

What exactly do you do for a living ?

So what would you say, to the hypothetical scenario of having permission to be there, but the owner doesn't know you'd jump. And would probably not approve of you jumping if they knew?

Aren't BASE roots about doing something you probably shouldn't. Doing it and not effecting​ anyone or anything? Alot of the reason I jump is the access and the skill it takes to make a clean bandit jump.(I would loose my job too).

Imho a monkey could be invited to all four objects and fall off. Monkey Legal Base.

+1

This is an entire thread about how best to jerk off in a whore house.

Why you try to dignify this thread like that?

Dude, you deviant! Maybe you´re from the Isle of Man? Even in the event T-shirt is says "antenna boogie"! :)

What is this cryptic garbage? What does any of this have to do with the discussion? Why would you even type the words "Infiltrate the group"

Either you are a cop (which if fine), a douche, or most likely-both. Go jerk yourself off somewhere else.

@nakeddave....

I'm actually a pretty nice guy in spite of my occupation.

I'm sure we will meet in good time, and then you can form an educated opinion.

Nobody cares that you tug dudes off in dark alleys, no matter how nice you are when you do it.
Seriously, why do you keep referencing your 'occuaption' like some poorly written spy novel where the lead is attempting to remain mysterious while still sparking the intrigue of some naive girl

Roots, sure, I'm not actually saying anything against that. I just happened to decide one day, "why not check this box too." I mean fuck, people do naked BASE, night BASE, Oahu BASE... People even jerk off in a whore house once in a while, there's nothing wrong with that either


Shit, I must not be paying attention then... when's the next A event? I'll sign up. (But KL doesn't count. neither does that gay antenna at bridge day.)

My point is only this, legal A jumps just aren't that common

Have you considered telling people you do somthing more respectable like euthanizing puppies or running arms to Boko Haram?

Or selling crack to babies or talking old ladies out if their social security checks or professional rollerblader...

Or human centipede architect or ruffie dealer or Mel gibsons personal antique collector...

What?? Thats how you get your ass beat. Sorry man I dont think we can hang out....

I guess its just you and the fuzz.

Fuck, anything will get you into more events than "I'm a cop. No, i won't take a hit, but I promise i'm not a narc."

Well if the (cool as hell) T-shirt says so....


I my (log) book freestanders , power towers, chimneys, rollercoasters, Tallinn TV tower, telescopes are all "others". Yes the are latticework, wind blows through etc. I just think an A should have 3+ wires, but each to their own.

well i didn't say I'd do that. who needs a whore house when you got Mrs. Trinidad anyway?

I'm actually kind of curious, where that rule came from. Ironically, most towers with 3 sets of wires aren't even really antennas... (at least not in the U.S.)

It's not a rule, it's a personal belief.
I consider the wires on an A the main hazard (all things being equal) and therefore a defining characteristic of the object.
A chimney, freestander, power tower, crane etc have more in common re hazards than a wired A.
But like I said, each to their own and log how you like.

Oh and for clarity, it doesn't have to have 3 sets, just 3 or more wires.
i.e. 120* or less, sectors.
I know some that only have 1 wire total that's used as a lightening conductor.

that is an interesting concept, classifying it according to the main hazard. I kinda like it.

THE defining characteristic of an A has always been "the wind blows through it."

Wires or their absence are not a relevant definitional paramter...

 
Thanks for the clarification!! It's soooooo important to me that I conform to your definitions and standards. I will rewrite my entire log book immediately!!!


Oh wait!

Here's an idea!

How about,........



you log how you want and I'll log how I want.
Then everyone's happy.

yay for happy base jumpers!
#Brexitcannotcomequickenough!


Laters,

Julian

That is Carl Boenish's definition and standard, you know, guy who created the term BASE you conform to. Ever heard of him?

You're a fak'n moron

Nope, never heard of him, what did he do again?

Anyway, check out my sig line princess. I'm no BASE jumper ;)

The philosophy of jumping hits on the extremes. From no idea to awesome memories. The Philosophy of jumping has not a logic ending in the social world. I mean to say that if one jumps, it is illogical. Have fun, stretch the rules. But never think that is logical. Then get on with your life. Philosophy has no place versus having fun. you do it for your life and fun.
go deeper. If life is not fun, count me out.
just, take care.
space.

Wait let's talk about the most important thing here which is: where the hell is this legal B???

There have been more than a few throughout the years. One of my favorites was this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_5KG3wRC8

I've been to 4 or 5 different B events over the past few years, and know of a couple more I've not made it to yet, but only 1 "A" event ever.
Benidorm and Sibu are both annual B events
With the risk of upsetting our resident object Nazi again, I've also been to a few other events that people have used the objects as their B (to get their number) but I wouldn't class as a B, but that's cool.
I've also jumped many Bs which were technically not illegal but were without permission. Several hotel balconies spring to mind.

Laters,

Julian

OK. Now, legal, meaning what?
Legal access? Legal jump? Legal being there in the first place? Legal as defined by whom? The owner? The tenant? Legal to land? Legal in the US?
I can only assume that legal would mean "OK to jump, you won't get in any trouble". In that case, there are tons of legal B's

@Jools, how can you define all those objects as an O when the don't fit in? Just log them as they are: T for you know, C for chimney, etc. Keep jumping till you got the alphabet.