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Here is a way I shorten my toggle when going from slider up to slider down on the adrenalin base line release toggles. I originally had some concerns they would slip but 1) the friction is enough that I can't get it to slip through as hard as I pull and 2) the big loading of force will happen at opening which will load the brake setting sewing.

Has anybody tried this before? Any thoughts?

Setting1 is the regular setting and setting2 is what I do to shorten the toggle setting. I have also also done it with brake lines that have no toggle setting sewed.

[edited to fix typo]

Why don't you just tie a backstop knot in there to be sure?

Why not add a toggle setting like Apex has on all their new canopies? I sewed this into my OSP and am about to do the same on my Troll and Outlaw. Makes it much easier to switch between SU and SD without having to tie knots or make sure everything's even.

Although personally I won't use line release toggles for slider down, but that's a separate discussion..

I prefer a backstop knot to a sewn loop because it's faster to get the toggle on and off the line, and also because it gives infinite (and on-the-fly) adjustability.

I can't see how it would be faster to feed the line through the toggle then line up the correct spot and tie a knot instead of passing the line through the toggle then the toggle through the loop of the line...

And in terms of infinite adjustability on the fly, why do you need that? You get a new canopy, mess around with toggle position on a few jumps until you get it set to your arm length and where you want to be able to stall the canopy, and then you probably leave it there forever for slider down. Unless you're weight fluctuates frequently by a big margin, or you get a 6" growth spurt in your arms, when do you really need to change the length?

You don't have to feed the line through. You leave it there and just tie a backstop knot in place. And you don't have to feed the toggle through a smallish loop of line--you just enlarge the loop (infinitely if you so desire) to whatever size you want to comfortably feed the toggle through.

Are you familiar with the back stop knot system? Or are you just using the old fashioned "FAA approved" system for tying a toggle on?

> And in terms of infinite adjustability on the fly, why do you need that?

Two reasons:

When I first set up the canopy I want to be able to change it (very incrementally) in the LZ right when I land. That allows me to make much smaller changes, rather than saying "this is close enough" and sewing in a loop, which I then have to unpick if I don't like it. The annoyance of changing it usually convinces me that it's "good enough" and I don't really dial it in.

And, I have access to around 100 BASE canopies, most of which are in use for training. With a different jumper using the canopy every week (or every day in some cases) it makes a lot of sense to be able to quickly re-customize for myself (or a student) on the fly.

Yes I'm familiar with that, that's what I do to originally get mine set. But after dialing it in, I found the toggle loop less effort and faster.

And for e.a.hernandez, I'm sure he doesn't have hundreds of canopys that other people are jumping. In fact I'm sure most people don't, but if they do, then yeah a sewn loop doesn't makes sense. But with my three canopys that are usually only jumped by me, and I took the time to find the exact setting needed, a sewn loop makes sense. And I can still tie a knot if I wanted to change it if someone else with a way different weight and arm length was borrowing it.