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Not a plethora of information on their site, obviously the zak is the normal slider down/all-around rig, but it seems that the hybrid is the middleman for being a lighter rig for long mountain hikes and tracking, while the ld3 is the super alpine lightweight rig.

Would the ld3 be at all appropriate for a lightweight OSP, for both slider down and alpine flying? Is the hybrid the way to go?

I do want 3 rings, for the slider down environment, so im pretty sure that would really negate getting an ld3 for the added weight.

I jump more slider down than up, but i would like a lightweight rig and an ultralite OSP, so im thinking that the hybrid is the way to go.
thoughts?

if the hybrid is inapropriate im sticking with what im used to in the helium.

Get a KN. Its what all the cool kids are doing. #Squirrel. Mine is actually pretty light compared to my Helium. Some mild differences. Call me if you want the differences.

I have a 13 year old Zak2 and it feels and looks like its 3 years old. Holds it shape well, it's super durable and the build quality is amazing. If you want something that sits in a nice position on your back for slider down (and slider up) I'd get the Zak3. They are solid rigs. Hybrid is a bit more slim and sits highter on your back if you are into that.

The LD3 is a not recommended for slider down, it is designed specifically as a terminal rig for wingsuiting/tracking. It is a lot longer and therefore thinner than the Hybrid or Zak.

You can find more information on Adrenalin's FB page <https://www.facebook.com/AdrenalinBase>. Check in the Notes section for info on the LD3/ABX/etc.

Hybrid 3/OSP light is a great combo IMO.

OSP light is a SU canopy.

If you want an allrounder, get a zak3 with an OSP.

Really? Can´t you get the OSP light with standard dacron lineset when it would be suitable for SD as well? Like my Troll light in which I have a dacron line set and have done plenty of SD with it.

Light fabric is still suitable for slider-down, though obviously it's not as durable. The Vectran lines option is the only thing that would make it a slider-up specific canopy.

Yes.

This is very interesting topic and I guess only time and experience will tell us what the facts really are on the durability of the different fabrics. I guess the durability can be divided in two different cases
1) Durability against rips etc (treelandings, sharp objects etc)
2) Durability against jump numbers (the porosity and strength of the fabric after certain number of jumps)

The case 1 for me is a no brainer, for sure the low bulk UL fabric is less durable in the case nbr 1 so you should practise some extra care with your UL Troll/OSP regardless whether you are using it for SD or SU application.

The case 2 is more interesting though, especially in SU vs SD. I think the current "word on the street" is that the UL fabric canopies are good for maybe 600 jumps or so, although there probably are already Trango´s out there that have far more jumps on them. I personally jumped one of my standard fabric Trolls close to 900 jumps (it basically didn´t have any flare anymore in that point) so based on those numbers you could say that the UL canopy has 2/3 of the durability of the standard F111. What I think personally is highly interesting (and would be interested to hear opinions) though is that on the durability of the UL canopy, does it matter whether the jumps are SD or SU? So do the SD openings wear the canopy more than SU´s?

Good point Maretus, its still too early to tell how SD affects the lifespan of the canopy. I can say that i have several friends that jump ultralite OSP's and except having to be extra careful when pulling in your canopy after the jump, everyone loves them for both SD and SU environments. Ive only had traditional F111 OSP's, i will always be a loyal fan because i love them, and i want to get an all around setup that is as light as possible. For me personally, i doubt i will ever need to worry about hitting the 600 jump mark and wearing out a canopy, but stranger things have happened

Lucky I've got about 850 on my blackjack I think it still lands well. It does have a zp nose so that probably helps. I did just order a new canopy and its ultra lite.

without having any real data on this, i think that SU is going to wear out canopies faster than SD.

- SD opening forces are higher, but more evently distributed over whole canopy (and lines).
- SU opening forces will put more force on centercell.
- centercell is what wears out faster due to packing. (since its the cell you touch the most, put the most sweat on it, etc...)
- canopies stall first in the center (this is why the osp's have the slats there and not on outer cells), so with above points youre wearing down on the aerodynamic weak spot of the canopy.

lets get two identical canopies and then testdrop them 100 jumps each, one SU, one SD, and then measure permeability on them...

does any of the manufacters have any real data here? would be interesting....


get the zp nose retrofitted! i got it on both of my 550-600 jump trolls and they flare like new :-)

I have a troll light with dacron lines, around 650 jumps (mostly wingsuit but some slider down too) and still ok both lines and canopy material, and i was not especially carefull with it. For sure the light material will be more sensible to tree landing and stuff like this. Not sure if you do a lot of low jumps with shitty landing it s the best choice
I did sd jumps with my ld2 long and su aerials in Kl with a ld3 without troubles. But once again a shorter rig like zak or hybrid will be probably better.
Looks for hybrid + osp, you won t be disapoint.

I have a hybrid 3 (abx) and an OSP lite 285. Before that I had a helium/BJ310. I loved the helium/BJ but the new adrenaline setup is the ultimate rig for me. It's a lightweight/low profile rig that I mainly use slider off, regularly freefalling 200' and up. The abx is especially helpful for tying in when needed, along with being very comfy and lightweight. I also use reserve slinks. In my opinion it is an excellent SD rig; the SU utility goes without saying.