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It's been an absolute blood bath this week with 7 fatalities in the last 8 days. It's highly likely that the BASE Fatally List will receive its 300th member this month. Will it be you?

No

Sadly still better than August of 2014

It's August. Do not jump in August and your chances of dying BASEjumping are about 92% reduced!

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Since the outcome of this one isn't known, and it's not on the list, the number could be inaccurate anyway.

I can't keep up writing it because you lot keep going in


I will try tonight to update the
#299 tonight

If Greeny is found then this would be #300 but he as not been found for a few seasons so when he is pretty much everyone form around 230 somewhere I think will move up a #

Was he in a wingsuit ?

I believe they both were in wingsuit

Greeny would be #241 if he is found and that means all fatalities after would jump up one making the latest #299 to be #300

It gets quite confusing when 8 go in in 8 days...

Maybe a work experience student could help out.

Most people couldn't handle the mind for the job..

the last two French guys who went in were in tracking suits. 4/5 of the last fatalities were in tracking suits (this info probably out of date this afternoon). But damn, just when we were safe if we take the wingsuits off.

Tracking-suits are small wingsuits these days. People fly to the landing at brento regularly now. If you dont see the correlation, I do.

You might be right, but don't really see the common correlation with the recent accidents. The French in Norway was found close to the cliff and assumed as an exit accident, the american was in a power tracking suit, and unsure for the Australian. So besides Laurent's recent terrain tracking accident, who else would would you base your correlation on? I can't think of a similar accident with a one piece proximity tracking accident - or maybe it is the first of what's to come?

People jumping exits they wouldnt if it wasnt for their onesies now. Like jumping Via Ferrata, which is really a stupid idea if you have Flowerbox or Perkele next to it.

People have been tracking Via for years with regular tracking suits

I'm just curious - is BASE jumping dangerous?

Yea, people like Rami for example. A quick look into the SBA's Jump Information shows for tracking Via "not recommended", while Flower is "black".

Of course, to understand this, it needs a superspecial, epic, rad and awesome superpower that only the initiated posses, it's called "reading". A broader term would be "Education", but unfortunately, this seems to be lacking, not only here.

Thank you very much for wasting my time.

Well I don't just sit on the computer and read I have more jumps from the area you live than your total. I go by what I see and it was not just rami. Your day is spent wasting time.

Your "I'm better than everyone else" and "I know my shit better than you do" - attitude is what has been a large contributing factor not only in the latest fatalities in my eyes. Good luck!

BASE jumping needs less people on their high horse and more people going out climbing mountains, greeting non base jumpers with smiles, and just authentic connection not separated by this ego feeding device known as the Internet.

For those of you like the positives I mentioned come stay and fly with me in Utah. Fuck this petty righteousness of everyone involved. Either go out there and change the world with actions (like the SBA has done in the past) or shut up. So many people coming into the sport have simply been parasites leeching off the hard work of pioneers.

 

Yea, that's the spirit!

BigfucknG and Wasat: Flower misses the first ledge. If your exit is less than ideal, you will have to make a pretty quick decision on Via. On both jumps you have to be able to efficiently track, but on Flower you have that extra second for when things dont go according to plan. And as we all know, it happens.

If you want to discuss this any further, please PM me.

Maybe it s time to close this post.
The title is already out to date...

Missing the point as per usual. I never said I was better than anyone. I never said I knew more than you but I would be surprised if I didn't. I definitely have seen more than you.
I'm going jumping with Mitch carry on...

We should all aspire to develop the kind of skills and knowledge that Rami had, but you don't need to be as good as Rami to track Via safely. You need to be better than a lot of people think, but you don't need to be the best.

And while the SBAs chart is a great resource and I applaud them for making it, I think the jump ratings have been aimed at the valley tourist level jumper, if you know what I mean.

And you dont think there's anything wrong with that kind of thinking?

We've just had a superhero doing his 2nd WS-BASE from HU, and we all know how it ended.. And from what I hear there was a fatality today at the same location. This one slipped. Maybe the SBA should start putting up signs saying "slippery when wet".

I think you need a hug and a time out

Yep. I knew it would only take a few days before someone became #300.

In less than 2 weeks, 9 people have died. Sure, many of you have become numb to it by now, but really think about it for a few minutes. 9 people, gone in just a few days.

Yes this sport is dangerous, but it doesn't need to be reckless which is what it has become.

Yes, and how glad I am someone actually gets the point. There seem to be other sensible members on this board, for a minute there, that did not seem to be the case.

I usually don't step in to much on this board, but I have to strongly disagree with your post and I think it is dangerous to post something like this. I have seen a freefall impact fatality first hand of a not to bad tracker who could not outtrack the ledge. I would never, ever tell anyone that Via is easily trackable! We get a lot of feedback from jumpers observing people pulling right next to the wall because they cannot get a good distance, we also already had a rescue this year of someone pulling next to the wall and then had an off heading, resulting him hitting the wall under canopy.
Via is an very advanced tracking jump if you want to jump it save. And I hope me saying this does not motivate wanabee good trackers to track it because they think they are advanced. Really good trackers like Rami or Markus tracked this exit and they would never said it is an easily trackable exit. But unfortunately nowadays every jumper with a couple of skydives and 1 week in the valley already thinks he is a superstar
We are in the middle of the dying season and we are on course of breaking a new record this year. To everyone: Be careful, know your limits, listen to the old guys and don’t act like teenagers who don’t listen to the parents because parents are uncool!

 ''He's right. Via is easily trackable with a consistent start and good glide. It's being done ten times a day in summer now.''

- Ebola award -
great sample of typical empty argument









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You're absolutely right. Given the current trend it was definitely irresponsible for me to put it like that. Not the best way to construct the sentence given the current climate and the respect the jump should be given.

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No, I think they mostly made the right decisions with the ratings. Given the number of people visiting LB who have absolutely no clue what they're doing the guidance needs to have them in mind.

But that doesn't mean the chart is gospel. Tracking Via is not an easy jump, but it's not insane either. It's not quite a Kandersteg or a Pordoi where you'd basically be committing suicide if you weren't at a superhuman level.

301 was an old guy

301 was a combination of events that points towards decisions being made quite likely because of the anxiousness that people feel when weather holds delay their jumping. That exit point scares me everytime. Not because I've had a close call but because even in the best conditions it's far from optimal. We've all been there when we just want to squeeze in one more. It's that exact time when we want one more that we need to be hyper vigilant about our decision making process. I'm gutted that he went out that way. Totally pointless.

Always.

He made a decision to jump high that day, he had not jumped it the 14 years before.
The exit was dry his feet were muddy, it was his second off it that day.

These forums are so convoluted, he was not anxious.

Not that it makes a jot of difference, but the very first BASE jump I witnessed was B jumping a bridge in Portugal in April 2001, so he'd been jumping at least 15 years.

Edit: Looked at the archived version of his website and there's some Kjerag footage on there from 2000 so make that 16 years.

Thanks for the clarification.

I had a conversation with a local jumper who lives in Wengen, he had told me that it had been raining. Now if his feet are muddy it lends a credence to that story. Having not jumped it in the last fourteen years and only finally getting around to it now...mmmm yeah ok. He made two jumps and one of those killed him. I knew the guy. Not as well as I would have liked but well enough to know that he may well have been a little anxious about that exit. Downward sloping shitty exit with muddy shoes. If I could talk to him now and ask him why. I know he'd be embarrassed to answer.

Sure bra, you're right.