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Gage Galle - Fatality - Norway - August 7th 2016
An amazing person and athlete :(

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PD Factory Team: Our hearts are heavy with sadness. We lost our teammate Gage Galle in a base jumping accident in Norway earlier today. We are beyond devastated. We don't have many details other than he is gone and we are all reeling. Please be there to support each other and his family, as we are here. Gage was the epitome of a talented extreme athlete - he blazed his own trail with a beaming smile, and we are all lucky to have been a part of his journey.

Hopefully someone can provide some more details on what happened.
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Re: [Nerra] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Blue sky Buddy - My condolances to friends and familiy
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Re: [Basjkall] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Any more details on what happened here yet?
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Re: [Skygirl19] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
I know its not much but word on the street is that the jumper had a successful jump and deployment but decided to do some terrain flying under canopy and thats when things went bad turning into a cliff strike. Sucks!

I really wish someone with solid information can share what happened. The jumper was definitely a role model to a lot of us and loved by everyone around him.
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Re: [Lance5] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
I am also surprised that we haven't had more info on this. I heard that it was impact while tracking which is obviously different to what Lance5 heard. Would be good to know. I'd be very surprised if it was under canopy given Gage's canopy flying skills.
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Re: [Nerra] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
There is a short description now on the BFL, obviously from someone that knows.
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Re: [StealthyB] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Yeah its a super short description.

Would be nice to hear some more specific details ie. suit type.

Katthammeren is considered a very safe place for tracking. I believe we have 13sec rock drop there?

Condolences to family and friends.
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Re: [Dunny] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Even after reading the description in the BFL its so hard to believe that someone with so much experience in so many other disciplines that involve flying close to the terrain wouldn't be able to tell that he was getting too close and needed to pull.

Its definitely more believable than the "accident taking place while being under a good canopy". Thanks to whoever posted what happened.
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Re: [Nerra] Gage Galle - Fatality - Norway - August 7th 2016
BSBD Gage, I'll miss you very much. Cuh Caw!
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Re: [Lance5] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Does anyone know what kind of trouble he had with the suit? Those Tube3's can be deadly in the wrong hands.
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Re: [BigfcknG] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
BigfcknG wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of trouble he had with the suit? Those Tube3's can be deadly in the wrong hands.

Could you elaborate, please? What makes a Tube potentially deadly in the wrong hands?

And how does that atttribute compare to other tracking suits?

thx
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Re: [base44] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
I've had several friends who struggled with them, with the main problem being stability. It seems they like to be flown at a much steeper angle than say a PTS or regular PF suit. If you aren't particularly strong with your legs you one minute you might have a wicked glide and the next you are in a sharp turn or super unstable. I've met maybe 3-4 people who loved it and were super consistent.
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Re: [BigfcknG] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
BigfcknG wrote:
I've had several friends who struggled with them, with the main problem being stability. It seems they like to be flown at a much steeper angle than say a PTS or regular PF suit. If you aren't particularly strong with your legs you one minute you might have a wicked glide and the next you are in a sharp turn or super unstable. I've met maybe 3-4 people who loved it and were super consistent.

Thanks! Interesting; so does it seem to be a design flaw that makes it so touchy or is it a suit that requires more skill and experience to handle than other models?
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Re: [base44] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
its a powerful suit in the right hands. you simply need to get the hang of it and prepare yourself before bringing it to a cliff...
nothing sketchy about the suit
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Re: [johooz] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
I know a lot of people that have struggled with the tube 3, myself included. It can definitely be very sketchy.
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Re: [Heat] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
and you got it dialed in after about 10 skydives? there were for sure some awkward moments before that mark. based on this experience i would never jump a tracksuit from a cliff for the first time. tracksuits can fool you big time.
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Re: [base44] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
base44 wrote:
Thanks! Interesting; so does it seem to be a design flaw that makes it so touchy or is it a suit that requires more skill and experience to handle than other models?

i really dont know what this has to do with this fatality and why this discussion about a specific outdated suit is now happening in this thread. split?

in older / pre-tube/PTS generation tracksuits you would just suck and go same distance as slick if you didnt do your homework and practice and skydive it. the tube3 was one of the first high volume / high power tracksuits, and same as with all next generation high volume tracksuits there was a paradigm shift, if you didnt do your homework you would probably perform worse than going slick. back when the tube3 came out, people were surprised by this, with a wingsuit it was pretty clear to everyone that youre supposed to skydive it and youll not fly like a god right away, but everybody expected from a tracksuit back then to at least perform as good as in his previous tracksuit. hence its reputation.
by now i think it became clear to most people that those high performance tracksuits need practice, youre supposed to skydive it same like if you get a new wingsuit.

i think this is where the bad reputation of the tube3 is coming from, if the PTS or the sumo (or whatever suit) would have been the first of this kind, i think it would have ended up with the same bad reputation. the generation of tracksuits after that were slightly (but only slightly) easier to handle but people kind of got it that you have to practice.

the tube3 was for its time an awesome suit, and still is if you put the effort in and do some training jumps. and i cannot confirm what BigfcknG says that theres only that few people out there that could handle it. knowing and seeing a lot of people in that suit it just showed to me that everybody that went and did a 10-20 skydives in it and then some jumps of brento or similar got it going reasonably well and consistent.

the main lesson from this fatality is that its not 2005 anymore where you just got any tracksuit and go base it right away, but the learning curve on all new generation high performance suits can be compared with a beginner wingsuit. so no matter how skygod you are, if youve never jumped any high performance / high volume tracksuit and you find yourself on an exit in one, your skipping steps, and its going to be sketchy.
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Re: [84n4n4] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
84n4n4 wrote:
base44 wrote:
Thanks! Interesting; so does it seem to be a design flaw that makes it so touchy or is it a suit that requires more skill and experience to handle than other models?

i really dont know what this has to do with this fatality and why this discussion about a specific outdated suit is now happening in this thread. split?

in older / pre-tube/PTS generation tracksuits you would just suck and go same distance as slick if you didnt do your homework and practice and skydive it. the tube3 was one of the first high volume / high power tracksuits, and same as with all next generation high volume tracksuits there was a paradigm shift, if you didnt do your homework you would probably perform worse than going slick. back when the tube3 came out, people were surprised by this, with a wingsuit it was pretty clear to everyone that youre supposed to skydive it and youll not fly like a god right away, but everybody expected from a tracksuit back then to at least perform as good as in his previous tracksuit. hence its reputation.
by now i think it became clear to most people that those high performance tracksuits need practice, youre supposed to skydive it same like if you get a new wingsuit.

i think this is where the bad reputation of the tube3 is coming from, if the PTS or the sumo (or whatever suit) would have been the first of this kind, i think it would have ended up with the same bad reputation. the generation of tracksuits after that were slightly (but only slightly) easier to handle but people kind of got it that you have to practice.

the tube3 was for its time an awesome suit, and still is if you put the effort in and do some training jumps. and i cannot confirm what BigfcknG says that theres only that few people out there that could handle it. knowing and seeing a lot of people in that suit it just showed to me that everybody that went and did a 10-20 skydives in it and then some jumps of brento or similar got it going reasonably well and consistent.

the main lesson from this fatality is that its not 2005 anymore where you just got any tracksuit and go base it right away, but the learning curve on all new generation high performance suits can be compared with a beginner wingsuit. so no matter how skygod you are, if youve never jumped any high performance / high volume tracksuit and you find yourself on an exit in one, your skipping steps, and its going to be sketchy.

Thanks much for filling in the blanks in such a detailed way. Very useful post!
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Re: [84n4n4] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
84n4n4 wrote:
base44 wrote:
Thanks! Interesting; so does it seem to be a design flaw that makes it so touchy or is it a suit that requires more skill and experience to handle than other models?

i really dont know what this has to do with this fatality and why this discussion about a specific outdated suit is now happening in this thread. split?

In the BFL it says he was jumping a Tube 3.

I am also interested to hear more about this one if there is any more info available.
It is a little surprising to hear of someone at the level of the PD Factory Team going in tracking at Katthammeran - it seems to me as around about as safe a jump as Brento.

Your description of the Tube 3 is exactly what I had heard about it - I remember it being the first of the big volume tracking suits and needed to be dialled in skydiving first (I haven't jumped one).
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Re: [MrAW] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
MrAW wrote:
It is a little surprising to hear of someone at the level of the PD Factory Team going in tracking at Katthammeran.

Loss of stability at pull time has taken experienced guys in the past, Darcy springs to mind. While I agree that it does seem crazy, it has happened before and will probably happen again.
P.S. Not saying this is what actually happened to Gage.
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Re: [Fledgling] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
I agree completely. I saw it happen right in front of me. A friend got a little but of a turn as he moved dropped his knees down to slow up, turned slightly and hesitated for 2 tenths of a second. Wasn't pretty.
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Re: [Fledgling] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Fledgling wrote:
MrAW wrote:
It is a little surprising to hear of someone at the level of the PD Factory Team going in tracking at Katthammeran.

Loss of stability at pull time has taken experienced guys in the past, Darcy springs to mind. While I agree that it does seem crazy, it has happened before and will probably happen again.
P.S. Not saying this is what actually happened to Gage.

Gage was an exceptionally skilled Canopy Pilot, but an inexperienced BASEjumper with ZERO skydives on the Tube 3 that he borrowed from a friend and that he only made a couple of BASE jumps on, which he admitted prior to this incident that he sucked at flying. He was in way over his head and unfortunately paid for this complacency with his life.
A lesson to be learned for all you "fast trackers " out there!

Regards, B.
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Re: [StealthyB] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Unsure Frown

Thanks for the info.
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Re: [MrAW] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Just an addendum to this thread. There is much to be learned from this tragedy in the way that people approach BASEjumping today.
Gage was an amazing athlete, a high school football star, young, super fit and capable, everything came easy to him. I worked with him and knew him well. He made a shitload of skydives specializing in canopy piloting. A few months prior to this he broke his back landing a speedwing, two months later he was back in the air, tough and indestructible. He took his natural confidence into the BASE environment and didn't realize that BASEjumping is a completely different sport than skydiving! It doesn't take a whole lot of skill to fall off a mountain and open a parachute, it does, however, take a completely different amount of skill to fly a Wingsuit or tracking suit in this environment. Hopefully there are people that will read this and learn from it.... don't be a Gage.
Miss you always, buddy, B
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Re: [StealthyB] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
I put MAYBE 15 or so skydives on my Tube3 before i sold it. Of course, with constant practice and currency on it it can be a beast of a power suit in the right hands, but those hands sure as shit weren't mine. I got into full steep tracks and the second i let my legs up i was spinning into out of control 360s. I couldnt imagine taking that things into the BASE environment as i felt just how deadly it could be.
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Re: [TransientCW] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
It's the Ferrari Enzo of suits. One to be tamed. What a great tragedy to hear of such a talented individual go in like that. A bit of research and a chat with people about it and it's characteristics would have prevented it. I know if I overheard someone at the Horner talking about their first tracking jumps in it it would definitely warrant some advice.

BSBD.
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Re: [BigfcknG] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
the tube 3 was my first tracking suit. the first skydive was more fighting than flying but jump two was already less scary. a few jumps later i was totally stable and many jumps later i had a really good performance. after a bit more than 100 jumps with the tube 3 my first base came nearer and i decidedto buy a sumo because so many people said that the sumo would be the better choice for base. after a few jumps with the sumo i had a better performance than with the tube 3 and wasn't sad about the money for the sumo.

i really can't understand why people do base jumps with less than 50+ skydives with a suit... don't you have loved ones?
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Re: [heavy] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Dude, don't you know how super cool, mega talented and ultra awesome we base jumpers are? All the money you save not skydiving can be spent on the latest and greatest suit!
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Re: [Heat] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
Some people just dont like dropzones and your typical skydivers a whole lot. On the mountain at least you can die in company you actually enjoy.
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Re: [BASE1817] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
i also have not enough money for all my expensive hobbys and even if i enjoy the time at the dropzone i prefer to be in the mountains. but i prefer to enjoy it for a long time instead of dying early and unnecessary. the biggest reason for being a overcarfully pussy are my loved ones. if i fuck up it's just a few shocking seconds for me but they have to live with it for the rest of their lifes. i really hope this won't happen and if it happen it should at least not be an easy to prevent incident. i try my best.
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Re: [TransientCW] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
I had a very similar experience to you, I did take it to the base environment though (stupidly) for a few very steep angles next to big walls.
In hindsight I should have just jumped without it, I would have had a better track.

I still have it, I'm kind of reluctant to have it end up with someone who may get caught out by it.
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Re: [skibumhass] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
i sold mine to a skydiver that was happy to get a cheap suit. i told him my experience with it and why i wanna sell it. after the first jump he was pretty sure that he will send it back to me but he gave it one more try and sent me the money.
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Re: [heavy] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
It's a bit of a shame really because that suit is a work of art in terms of raw performance and build.
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Re: [BigfcknG] Fatality - Norway - August 7th
just look at how Andy flies his, for obvious reasons. he's a fucking BEAST with the tubes being the creator and all.

I think it's safe to say that the point of all this is that you NEED TO KNOW YOUR FUCKING GEAR in the sky like the back of your hand, before taking it into the real world. And if it's a suit that demands currency and practice, keep your ass in the sky before you kill yourself.