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Im not gonna name any names here, because this just happened.. but there was a cliffstrike at Dumpster today.. Jumper pitches early and has a 180 and gets hung up in a tree in the middle of the wall. Very lucky to be alive.. he flew right into the only tree on the wall.. there was just one impact.. he didnt slide down the wall just went right into the tree..
https://youtu.be/GmUP6BufZnE
everybody out there: The Dumpster in Lauterbrunnen is not a beginner jump. I think people often underestimate this exit.. especially know what your doing when going slick.. or maybe dont go slick .. ..

we will have a discussion with all the people involved on the jumpload on our podcast tonight.. it will not be the usual bullshit talk but a serious discussion about the dumpster and the rescue..

so heres the recording of our podcast showing pov footage of the impact https://youtu.be/GmUP6BufZnE

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so the guy is in the Hospital in Bern.. broken back but will make full recovery

There should be a reason for 180°. have you vid?
take care,
space.

Tracy, you already write like a german...

well we dont hav Video.. except for our jump

at exactly second 25 in the Video you can see the green lede where he landed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daQ5R0jUgsQ note that we were fine.. it was the guy that came after..

but i think he was a little unstable when he pulled after 4 sec delay.. and then subterminal opening with slider up is oviously not gonna help with heading performance

That's not naked....but it's definitely slick!

This is already very naked in Mericans point of view :-)

hahaa we thought we might get kicked off youtube.. and also i would not be very proud to present my adrenaline shrinked junk to the world..

"adrenaline shrinked"

well im not saying theres nuch to see there anyway but especially before a jump.. who wants to see that? :D :D

so the guy is already walking again.. just crashed hus tailbone and has an open wound on his arm.. he basically spent all his luckbucket plus two more today... well have him on the podcast tomorrow and show his pov gooro footage of the impact

Lots of tree landings there too. Because the exit itself is so easy what people don't seem to consider is that the talus is very high, so if your start sucks (ie. lots of people) you'll be opening near the cliff or low on the tree slope or both.

And boxers? Dude if you're not naked there's no point!

yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80406eHLBHQ

this is from Clinton Parkers fb page Friends & family I did my last ever BASE jump yesterday, I made a bad judgement call and jumped without my tracking suit,when in freefall I realized I was not going to clear the talus so I deployed my parachute which opened 180 degrees sending me straight back into the wall, I then slid down the wall and my parachute got caught on a small tree saving me from falling to an almost certain death, I was rescued by helicopter and taken to Bern hospital where I had surgery on my elbow, I have a fractured spine and a swollen ankle BUT I am alive!! Please keep any negative comments to yourself as I have enough to deal with right now

this is the recording of last nights podcast where we show the pov footage of the impact and talk about the rescue..
https://youtu.be/GmUP6BufZnE

Starts at 28 minutes 48, to save everyone else the trouble of looking for it. This link will take you straight there

https://www.youtube.com/...P6BufZnE&t=28m48

There's also some failed attempts at stepping through the footage at the end! :-P

how do you create youtube links that go to a certain minute in the video?

.. and the overview (http://www.valleybasegear.com/...bavalleyjumpinfo.pdf) tells it's blue and lamousse is red... - well? i disagree i feel lamousse way easier to take some wall distance than on dumpster.
probably due the longer hike lamousse appears red to many jumpers..

Here is a link that starts at the failed jump:

https://youtu.be/GmUP6BufZnE?t=28m48s

Attached are three screen captures that
show how one can create a link that
starts exactly where you want.

TO: the injured jumper

Hope you make a full recovery.

its even easier than that,

you copy the link to the video:

https://youtu.be/GmUP6BufZnE

you add the tag '?t=' at the end and write the desired time afterwards in minutes and seconds '28m48s', so ?t=28m48s

add this to the end of the link and you are done ;)

https://youtu.be/GmUP6BufZnE?t=28m48s

wow cool thx guys!!!

That is why we did not want to make a chart in the first time...
The chart is only how we see it. The Exit at dumpster es more easy, you have a lot of space and at la mouse, the rockdrop is shorter. That is how we defined it. But as said, these are only recomendations. And it says in the chart that this applies for tracking we are talking of tracking with tracking gear and not slick...

I would not recomend to jump any jumps slick exept maybe yellow ocean and the old nose exits anyway :-)

or right click on the red timeline and click on "get video URL at current time"

Haaahaha! So sad but so true!

i also noticed that the rating in the PDF on the website does not match with the printed rating that is hanging at the dumpster exit.

the pdf states dumpster exit blue, and freefall blue, but when you are at the exit it says exit blue and freefall red due to the 45° talus that starts rather high up...

I did my last ever slick jump in the valley from that exit. I was quite surprised that the guys i was with thought it was a good idea.

Its the closest i've ever opened to a cliff. If i had had an issue with a 180 ,or anything more than i a 90 i would have been likely in shit. And for slick, my track was not that bad on that particular jump. Just not good enough. My exit was running and went well, I'd hate to know what would have happened if my exit had been poor.

I immediately went back to yellow ocean and started my progression again from scratch with my suit on, and since then i never jumped without it from slider up big cliffs.

I am a true beginner in base, so my opinion is that of a layman, but still, I don't think anyone with low numbers should be jumping this exit slick. Maybe no one except experts should be jumping it slick. Its too dodgy.

https://youtu.be/c7B3ax2wT6g

Then there's this guy... "windgod"

self evaluation is a lost art. most of the time you're only going to kill yourself. be honest with yourself if you want to survive. if you need a chart to tell you what you can do, you're doing it wrong.

the SBA work hard to guide, but guidance is not law.

hahahahahaha :D :D ..'windgod' for sure :D

This tree?

i think the rating on dumpster is pretty accurate. mostly due to its great flat exit.

theres a lot of issues though with people thinking jumping "slick" means you're just out to have a good time in civies clothes.. which is contrary because you should actually have a solid base and be trying to fly your body harder and more efficiently according to your sub terminal speeds as they build up.

launch is everything, so if you launch dumpster like you're having a fun slick zoo dive, sure its a red jump because that talus will come up fast and you'll open with zero room for error even with super fast recovery from off headings or god forbid twists.

but if you bust your nut exiting just about the right time, and track like a mofo, you could safely track dumpster for decades, naked let alone slick.. without issue.

not a commentary on this jump specifically, i really didnt dissect the footage all that much to be honest.. and wish the injured party a speedy recovery.

Its not the 90's anymore we now have tracking suits to help you increase the distance from the wall (Which should be your priority) If your jumping slick in the valley you obviously have a lot of skill to maintain a great distance from the wall or you have no idea about Base jumping..

You see it time and time again people trying to be awesome and jump slick only to end up in the trees or on the small rocky talus way up high.. Its not a good thing if you call the AG out in a helicopter and they see you in nothing makes us all look like Dickheads..

One more thing how many jumps did this guy have ? I heard something like 3o base jumps and he is in the valley..How times have changed for the WORSE...

Also Pulling after 4 secs packed slider up whilst jumping slick is most likely why you had this accident also the fact he has low Low jumping numbers..

Glad he is alright but looks like his career is over before it even begun for what a cool video jumping slick....

Sad really

Yeah sure, if you have good skills, jump sensibly and always aim for performance that's true.

But those aren't the people floating through LB every day, and those aren't the people the ratings were written for.

And then people wonder why we keep our other jumps to ourselfs. Fuck yeah!

Mmm, all these colours. Whatever colour, if you dump after 4 seconds slider up you are prone to get snivelling and off heading. There you go.

Thank you E.

When I composed these charts a few years ago, I collected input from many experienced jumpers and tried to come up with a common denominator. Since everybody's abilities and perceived difficulty differ, self evaluation should determine the final judgement call, and these charts should only be used as a rough guidance.

If there's a consensus that some ratings should be updated I'm happy to do that.

Cheers
Mathias Wyss, SBA

He was in shallow brakes, right? He could have packed in deep brakes and given himself a much better chance of turning it around or at least a slower impact, especially with an OSP.

The common advice seems to be SU = shallow brakes but I think using deep brakes all the time could have prevented quite a few recent cliff strikes or at least changed them from fatalities to injuries.

Yes, but the chart for sure was not written with slick tracking in mind.

Careful with quotes like that. You will end up with knuckle heads all switching to deep brakes slider up and fucking themselves up. Remember your control lines drive your slider and sliders can do funny things when you fuck with brake settings. Maybe you should have said people should consider tuning their slider up brake settings the way they do their slider down uber super deep brake settings.

I think in this case there was not much planning going on for the jmp anyway.. obviously the jumper pulled quite early due to nonexisten track and poor launch.. a strong good exit would have already put him 30 or so meters further out from the wall by the time he was pulling.. then he didnt seem to be very stable which also doesnt help heading performance at all..

from the ground it was clearly visible how the canopy surged strongly to the wall after opening.. in that case a different brake setting would have maybe given a little bit more margin to react but still..

I've done most of my SU jumps this last year in deep brakes with no major changes in openings or stuck sliders, and I know I'm not the only one. I've had a handful of hung up sliders maybe 2-3 feet above the links on my Blackjack but that happened in shallow brakes too. With a modern vented canopy I don't think just moving the brake line a couple inches can cause the slider to prevent your canopy from inflating. It shouldn't affect the slider as much as using a tailgate plus single/double direct control, which I've seen a number of jumpers use.

I understand it is possible. Just cautioning against blanket statements is all. There are canopies in use that won't appreciate it.

Agreed.

tune into our livestream of #007 Lauterbrunnen Base Podcast 22:00 CEST tonight..
https://youtu.be/wF4FzERyVVk
Our special guest is Robin Clohessy and we will talk about yesterdays cliffstrike at the Dumpster and include the basejumper.com forum incident analysis discussion and give you an update about Clinton Parkers current condition
Other main topics will be the Strictly Base Facebook Page hosted by Spencer Ball and Christopher Mcdougall basejumping course in the Valley

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https://youtu.be/99zAnZ2X8Lk this is tonights recording of #007 Lauterbrunnen Basejumping Podcast.. we had a really good discussion about the cliff strike incident.. exit ratings in the valley.. the ongoing discussion in this thread about it and being scared or not while jumping..
David Laffargue joined the conversation later.. which made it even more interesting and we watched some pretty freaky videos of a guy destroying a hanglider in mid air while trying to jump off it and a lot more...go to 1:27 for that video.. its insane

heres a link straight to hangglider carnage.. ;)
https://youtu.be/99zAnZ2X8Lk?t=5171


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It might just be me but that base podcast is the most painful piece of verbal dribble I have ever heard. Thank fuck for someone earlier pointing out where the actual video of the incident was amongst that narcissistic crap.

The first shows were a mess.. but for this last one #008 i think we already changed it quite a bit..
Its a work in progress.. we will streamline the show more.. more structure.. we will have good topics with interesting guests and less bullshit..
Theres a chance to have a real good conversation that people might be interested in if you get the right people on.. and Lauterbrunnen is definitely a good place for a show like this.. close to the action and a lot of different people stop by..

So to be honest ive never done a podcast before.. but its fun and we will work on it.. Instead of calling it a shit show.. which it might be.. id much rather appreciate some constructive criticism to help improve it..

Can we please leave the Base pod cast in one thread and not have it here in the Incident thread.... I think people know where the link is for the podcast ...

I don't think you need to update on here every day you show a podcast...

Admin can we fix this up please ...