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lookin for a free stander is there anything around upstate ny we have some nice guyeded antennas but i would like a to hit a free stander for my first A

Why didn't you jump the fake antenna that was promised for BD 2015?


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HAHAHAHHA!!!! and you thought there were no consequences?????

they didnt have the antenna nor anything,

i dont think that really counts as an a if its off the bridge.

So you did 4 jumps at BD2015, an event which is not held is high regard by most BASE jumpers, and now you want someone to start mentoring you off of their local objects?

Good luck.

http://snakeriverbase.com/fundamentals-of-base/

http://i-dbase.com/

Take a course and educate yourself before asking for favors.

was waiting for someone to respond with this.....

Interesting suggestions. So, what you're saying is...

He can take a course from someone whom--if he gets injured or goes in--will wait 20+ minutes to call the authorities so he can remove evidence from the scene and coerce witnesses into telling a false story.

--OR--

He can take Chuma's course.

Its rough out there.
Looks like you may have fucked yourself. The social aspect of BASE is, I think, overlooked when getting into actively jumping.

how come it always sounds like a bunch of assholes here, no im just looking for advise and info i want to get into it more, the perrine would be the next place i go sure i can hit a weekend out there do a course get 10 jumps and where would that put me back in ny with 15 jumps with a jump course under my belt still asking you people the same damn question....but im no where near it the bridge i wanna jump, i wanna be safeish im not saying i want someone to start mentoring me or that im intitled to it like how it sounds ur trying to say but a mentor would be nice to learn from hopefully some one cool that doesnt sound pessimistic liek everyone here. we all have to start some where, i dont have a bridge at my disposal nor mad vacation hours and endless amounts of money to travel the other side of the us for a couple days, all the time, so i post here looking for guidence not to be put down if i didnt give a shit id just go do it ive scouted a couple guyeded antenas that are doable and safe but again. im not sayin i want to hit any cliffs but the next safeish object near me to hit would be an antenna possibly a smoke stack and if i want to progress and stay current that would be the only object in the area to hit, and if no one around my area wants to get together talk and help, someone to learn thats cool keep talkin the o ur new shit we should help you y? its all good whether you help or not i still will jump, but if this is a place to come for guidance? then your not making it very welcoming , but thank you for replying

i would loveeeeee to take the course with chuma or reallly want to take it with miles but was planing on taking it threw apex but there is a course up here at the ranch thats also good, not asking for favors, doesnt sound liek people are very welcoming, i thougth you wanted to be as safe as possible its not like i want to know a secret spot so i can tell every one and film it for the world to see i just want to jump im sure a tower thats been hit is easyer to climb and better acess than one that hasnt been touched, people at bridge day seemed more warm and welcoming with storries and objects here everyone sounds different less welcoming more cold yes its illegal no shit not gunna spill the beans or put any object in any danger of being found by the police that puts me out of jumping aswell why the fuck would i risk anyting happening to a local spot i just want to be apart of the locals and the first place to start is ground crew and helping out

Guys, the beginners forum was made for this kind of stuff. It's supposed to be a safe place for newbies to come and ask the "stupid" questions. Direct him toward education for sure, but this section of the forum was specifically set up for people to come here, ask their uninformed/misguided questions and not get chastised for it.

That being said, saying that it "always sounds like a bunch of assholes here" isn't going to get you very far either. Please understand that the criticism you're taking is coming from a place of knowledge and not wanting to see you rush in to anything. By asking about A's, you are demonstrating that you are less concerned about checking all the recommended boxes in your progression. Even though you know you need to get education first, your questions demonstrate otherwise. "What course do you recommend" or "do you know of any active mentors in the area" would be much more appropriate for your experience level.

Most of my skydiving experience was at the Ranch, and what you are looking for is certainly around there, although from what I know the safer objects are pretty hot. I moved away from New York a few months ago though. There are a lot of options and paths as far as education though. Personally, I would recommend focusing solely on getting out to Idaho. If you don't have the money, start saving. If you don't have the vacation time, stop taking it. As far as mentors at the Ranch, you better have a lot of skydiving experience if you want any of those guys to take you on. Regardless of what anyone out there is willing to offer you, I would still recommend taking a course. There are obviously quite a few options of courses out there, and everyone is going to have their own opinions about which one is best and worst (as has already been demonstrated). My recommendations would be to educate yourself in detail about each course available to you, and make an informed decision. After all, you are spending thousands of dollars in terms of travel, education, food, lodging, time off from work, and the list goes on...my point is, shop around. Good luck, but hopefully you don't need it.

Additionally, it's not really worth it to argue the particulars here, but I do not believe this is factually accurate. I think the regulars on the forum know enough to make their own educated opinions, but for the sake of the new people who are on their first visit, it's worth bringing up that it is not undisputed. Do your own research.

If anyone feels otherwise and has evidence, feel free to personally contact me. And let's not turn this discussion into a fanboy session or a smear campaign.

Your posts are unreadable.

Skydive more. Meet people. Take a course.

Good luck.

Too long and far too whiny to even be worth reading. Everyone's suggestions are going to be roughly the same, just shut up, chill out, and skydive like its going out of style. The rest will fall into place.

Lol, sitting here under a giant cliff in Italy having had a conversation about exactly this with a bunch of other guys who haven't had a real job for years, this is hilarious.

You live in a wealthy western nation. If you really want to learn to BASE, you could get the money to go to TF. Heck, you could get the money to go with Douggs or James or Rami or Pressurized to Croatia, Italy and Switzerland and then spend the rest of your 3 month visa jumping non stop. If you want to do it, you can find a way to do it. You might not be able to do it right now but you'd be able to do it in the very near future and do it properly - if you want it enough.

Whining about how hard it is to take a weeks vacation and buy a domestic flight to Idaho will get you nowhere in this community.

Dude, Bluhdow...

You need to educate yourself too before coming down hard on a new jumper.

When my good buddy and I began jumping in 10 years ago, I think there was only 1 FJC being offered, I could be wrong. But there were alot less of those. We had no intention in taking a course. We learned, in my opinion, the best way. We were taught by another jumper by ground crewing, learning how to pack at night in hotel rooms and living rooms and jumping objects other than the perrine. I think we got the real experience, and we got the real fear of BASE jumping instilled in us. No comparison to the relaxing atmosphere at the perrine.
Not dissing FJC's, some of my friends run those courses.
Dont be an internet bully.

Hoyt, go meet some locals, ground crew them, hang with them, and ask them to help you.

This.

There is no excuse for not seeking proper instruction. If you cannot afford to learn to BASE jump safely, you cannot afford to learn to BASE jump. In skydiving, you have to be able to get someone to take you up in a plane. In rock climbing, you aren't going to get very far up a route you aren't ready for. Unfortunately our activity has no natural barriers for entry, all you need is a backpack and a death wish.


I agree that this is the best way. I think the biggest problem with it is the lack of standards and regulation. Don't misunderstand me, it shouldn't be regulated, but there is nothing to keep a novice from seeking instruction from an incapable mentor. I've personally seen some pretty reckless behavior from someone who "learned" to BASE jump from a guy I knew. There's a full array of maturity and knowledge out there when it comes to BASE jumpers, it's no different with those mentoring.

Thats how this sport grew man, never had FJC's back in the day. Mentoring is the true roots of BASE jump instruction.

Id recommend NOT hitting the freestander. I usually try and land next to it on the ground.

I'd like to not turn this into another mentor vs. FJC thread however I will say this:

In my short time in the sport my observation has been that there are two types of people:

1. I am willing to dedicate time and money to doing this right, therefore I will find a way to take a proper course first and seek local mentorship afterwards.

2. I am not willing to dedicate time and/or money to doing this right. I want someone to show me how to do it in my backyard as soon as possible.

I think it's a different time than it was 10 years ago. Are there examples of proper mentor/student progressions out there? Sure. But for the vast majority of people the safest way into the sport is formal training via an FJC. Literally every example I've seen of a mentor/student progression has been a clear attempt to shortcut the commonly accepted safe progression.

Ive learned everything about BASE from a Jesse Hall packing DVD, reading this forum, eavesdropping on courses in the packing area, or by messing something up. Mentor vs. FJC Vs internet badasses! Dont forget about us too!

There's a FJC at the ranch taught by some locals a couple of times a year...

I heard Jeb knows all about New York... should pm him...

I have my share of experience at failing miserably at interpersonal relations and I can absolutely guarantee the attitude coming through in your post will not get you what you are looking for.

* Be nice
* Be humble
* Show respect--for the sport, objects, jumpers, and knowledge they possess
* Show a willingness to listen and heed
* Show that you are not crazy, a dumbass, or an asshole
* Show a willingness to take it slow and learn from the ground up
* Offer to help those who you want to help you
* NEVER, EVER act like you have a sense of entitlement

BASE tends to attract people with strong personalities who are opinionated and are both honest and vocal about their opinions. Sound familiar? If jumpers come across as being assholish, then take a close look in a mirror and realize that you probably come across as assholish too.

Maybe try this. Post the following into this thread:

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Hey guys, this thread has gone to shit. Can we start over? Yes, I'm a newbie with relatively few skydives and only a handful of BD jumps. No, you don't owe me shit.

Now that we have that out of the way, I want to pursue BASE without getting maimed, arrested, or killed by doing stupid shit. Can you help a brutha out?

I'm in the New York area and willing to drive, scout, buy beer, and most importantly, shutup and listen.

All rational advice appreciated. Please PM for contact info.

Thanks in advance.

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You may have already screwed your chances for help but it's worth a try.

Good luck and be safe.

Walt