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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
In this newspaper article, you were quoted as saying:

"Of the two security options, Kissner said most BASE jumpers opted for the background check."

Now you claim most got fingerprinted. Which is correct?

Also, you can't play music at the exit point without paying an ASCAP fee. They'll probably send you a bill, so no worries. Wink

Bridge Day is not supposed to be laid-back and never has been. Just ask the owner (Dan) of the Holiday Lodge, who couldn't fill half his rooms with jumpers when we normally sell all of them in 30 minutes. Do you think Dan is cool with a laid-back event and no videofest? Do you think Terry at Whitewater Photography is OK with only having 30% of the jumpers and 33% of the jumps we normally make? And what about the Chamber of Commerce, who might have grossed $10,000 total this year ($50x200 jumpers). With a $7000 water rescue bill and no major sponsors due to fingerprinting, do you think they're happy? I'm thinking they're pretty upset at the low turnout.

The new BASE advisors ruined the event for jumpers and hurt the local community financially by stepping in. Jumpers could have gained so much by standing firm until demands were met. Then the hotels would have been filled and normal jumper attendance realized. But what do I know, having only attended Bridge Day since 1992 and organizing the BASE jumping there from 2002-2014.

Now is the time for someone with real organizing skills to step forward and organize Bridge Day 2016.
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
Treejumps wrote:
Here are the stats of the event: 313 jumps made by 150 (out of 205 who registered) jumpers from 3 countries and 29 states. The weather was perfect at 9:00 with no wind, but by 11:00, winds up top were 20+. Once the wind picked up, the LZ could go from no wind to strong gust and back in a few minutes. 80% of the time it was reasonable, 20% of the time it was very sketchy. By 10:30, everyone had their first jump off, so no one missed out on getting one in during the early morning calm.

There were 3 medical transports, 2 with lower leg fractures and one who just hit hard enough to be knocked silly for a while. A 4th was advised to be transported but refused and we were advised by the medical team to pull his pass (he wanted to jump again).

If we go by the feedback of people who attended, everything ran smoothly from check in, transportation, the actual jumping, and of course, an epic party. If something went well, it was solely due to the incredible support and hard work of the staff and volunteers who jumped in and made this thing work. (I hope I have remembered to thank all of you enough) If something didn't go as well, it was due to my lack of planning or experience with the overall event. Working at an event for a dozen years isn't the same as running it, and I'm sure there were things that could have gone better. However, according to all of the stakeholders in the event, we did pretty well. The people who think we did well include the Bridge Day Commission, the NPS, WV State Police, Whitewater Photography, water rescue, and as I'm told, pretty much all of the local politicians and civic leaders around the area. If they have any constructive feedback, I'd love to hear it.

The most common comment I heard was that the event was laid back and relaxed with a very community minded, old school vibe. Those comments came from jumpers and non jumpers, including the NPS? If there were any hassles with event security, I didn't hear about it. Out of all of the jumpers, only 62 sent in the background check, while the rest opted for the scan and had no issues with it. People came to have fun and help other people.

The new exit platform worked out really well and has been donated to the Chamber of Commerce to ensure the future of the event. We had music jamming at the exit point, and most people seemed to like it including the crowd. This also led to an interesting conversation with ranger Frank Selers about how Chris Cornell of Soundgarden has not done a lot lately. Who would have known that Frank really likes to rock out?

When the jumping was over we had the obligatory pizza along with a couple of kegs of local microbrew courtesy of the chamber. At the de-briefing meeting we watched video of the day and gave $500 cash to Craig Nadler for winning the accuracy competition. The Dry Faster than You Heal (DFH) went to Brian Britton (who caught a really bad gust during the 2 way we did). The party more than lived up to Bridge Day standards and went into the wee hours of Sunday morning. The most common question I received all night was, “will you do it again next year”? I don't think so. My goal was to keep the event alive through a withering shit storm, and to make it possible for others to run the event without having to make large investments of time and money. We achieved both of those goals. I am both lifted and humbled by the thanks and appreciation that was shown to me all weekend. To all of you who attended, I am very happy to have been able to spend a fantastic weekend with you. You made it all worth the while.

Cya
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
Treejumps wrote:
My goal was to keep the event alive through a withering shit storm, and to make it possible for others to run the event without having to make large investments of time and money.

Do you mean, "Divide and Conquer?"
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
Glad to hear the event went off without any major problems. How it was a success is in question. Certainly attendance and the overall numbers took a hit.
"My goal was to keep the event alive through a withering shit storm, and to make it possible for others to run the event without having to make large investments of time and money. We achieved both of those goals."
This certainly was not achieved. Your actions set back ANY positive changes for at least 2 years. You set an excellent example of how NOT to negotiate a change. Cowtailing to the ridiculous demands placed upon the jumpers just reaffirmed the current conditions. You stated the scan would be optional. Now you claim over half did the scan. Why wouldn't the NPS be chill with that? You gave them just what they wanted. I guarantee all those fingerprints are now on a national data base that will be used ANY time those printed folks enter a national park. Anybody that attended this year, just didn't have a real understanding of just what they were getting themselves into. Again, we are free to do what each of us choose to do but, this seriously set more/better access to more sites back in the near future. If that is what you consider a success, job well done.
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Re: [base428] Offical BD 2015 Report
Oh I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? Well allow me to retort, The hotel was filled and everyone in the local area besides the jaded, angry, former organizer is happy, including, and most importantly, the jumpers. Here is what the people who matter most at the event had to say:


I wanted to thank you and the others for an amazing weekend, your strength and perseverance through all the BS, and for keeping the event alive. You are an ambassador of the sport and an example of the true spirit of what we do. You made a difference in people's lives and helped us to create some amazing memories which will help us in turn push more positive energy to the world. Thank you for everything.

Blue Skies,
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Hey Tree!
It was my first year as you know, and I loved it. I am very excited to come back and do it again. I think you did an amazing job! I can't even fathom how difficult it must have been to coordinate everything!! My favorite part was that I have never felt so welcomed by locals -except those in the hotel bar!. The lovely gift bag and amazing perks for being a jumper were so awesome. Did you know we were walking up to the bridge Saturday morning (we drove and had to park really far away along the road) when the police said "oh, you're jumpers? you know you can park all the way up by the bridge?" So JR got to pull up close. Then, when we were at the entrance we were again allowed to skip the line and walk on early at like 845! We were really excited.
Hope to see you at Delmarva soon!
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

One question that I curious about but not sure if any data was kept on of those that jumped how many were female jumpers? By my quick count I figured at least eight, just wondering.
Thanks for a great bridge day
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Hi Mark,
Thanks for everything. I didn't notice much of a difference between years past and this year. Good job. I didn't notice were we could find photos of the jumps for purchase. Is there a website for that?
Thanks,
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Huge thanks to you and everyone that ran the event. It was awesome!
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Mark,
I wanted to thank you for stepping up to keep Bridge Day alive and well. We had a fantastic time as always and can't compliment you enough on how everything ran. Everything was super laid back and drama free from what we saw and experienced. You told me at the event that it was no big deal but I know first hand, after running several boogies, how much goes into organizing any event let alone one filled with Skydivers and base jumpers while making it look easy.

Anyway, I just wanted to drop a quick note to say thanks.

See you next year,
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil


Although I was "one & done," thanks for hosting Bridge Day! I am very grateful for my jump off the New River Gorge bridge!
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Thanks. I had a fucking blast. I think this was my favorite bridge day off all time. Been going for 5 years now
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

and from Whitewater Photography:

Mark- Thanks for all the help. You did an awesome job. Just left the BD commission, nothing but praise for you and Marcus. Thanks again
Terry. (too tough to need protection from the dark forces)
bridgedayphoto.com


Pretty good reviews for my first year out. You know, I really wasn't interested in doing this going forward, but since a lot of people (the ones who actually showed up and jumped and had a great time) have asked me to do it again, it might be worth it just to keep the cancer growth from returning to the event.
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
I think it would be pretty easy to copy/paste a lot of negative comments here too. I don't think you posting up 5 positive reviews from skydivers will be enough to sway the hundreds of BASE jumpers (as evidenced by the reduced attendance) that are unhappy with how this all played out.

Numbers speak louder than words.
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
Treejumps wrote:
Oh I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? Well allow me to retort, The hotel was filled and everyone in the local area besides the jaded, angry, former organizer is happy, including, and most importantly, the jumpers. Here is what the people who matter most at the event had to say:


I wanted to thank you and the others for an amazing weekend, your strength and perseverance through all the BS, and for keeping the event alive. You are an ambassador of the sport and an example of the true spirit of what we do. You made a difference in people's lives and helped us to create some amazing memories which will help us in turn push more positive energy to the world. Thank you for everything.

Blue Skies,
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Hey Tree!
It was my first year as you know, and I loved it. I am very excited to come back and do it again. I think you did an amazing job! I can't even fathom how difficult it must have been to coordinate everything!! My favorite part was that I have never felt so welcomed by locals -except those in the hotel bar!. The lovely gift bag and amazing perks for being a jumper were so awesome. Did you know we were walking up to the bridge Saturday morning (we drove and had to park really far away along the road) when the police said "oh, you're jumpers? you know you can park all the way up by the bridge?" So JR got to pull up close. Then, when we were at the entrance we were again allowed to skip the line and walk on early at like 845! We were really excited.
Hope to see you at Delmarva soon!
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

One question that I curious about but not sure if any data was kept on of those that jumped how many were female jumpers? By my quick count I figured at least eight, just wondering.
Thanks for a great bridge day
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Hi Mark,
Thanks for everything. I didn't notice much of a difference between years past and this year. Good job. I didn't notice were we could find photos of the jumps for purchase. Is there a website for that?
Thanks,
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Huge thanks to you and everyone that ran the event. It was awesome!
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Mark,
I wanted to thank you for stepping up to keep Bridge Day alive and well. We had a fantastic time as always and can't compliment you enough on how everything ran. Everything was super laid back and drama free from what we saw and experienced. You told me at the event that it was no big deal but I know first hand, after running several boogies, how much goes into organizing any event let alone one filled with Skydivers and base jumpers while making it look easy.

Anyway, I just wanted to drop a quick note to say thanks.

See you next year,
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil


Although I was "one & done," thanks for hosting Bridge Day! I am very grateful for my jump off the New River Gorge bridge!
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

Thanks. I had a fucking blast. I think this was my favorite bridge day off all time. Been going for 5 years now
Name deleted to protect you from the dark forces of evil

and from Whitewater Photography:

Mark- Thanks for all the help. You did an awesome job. Just left the BD commission, nothing but praise for you and Marcus. Thanks again
Terry. (too tough to need protection from the dark forces)
bridgedayphoto.com


Pretty good reviews for my first year out. You know, I really wasn't interested in doing this going forward, but since a lot of people (the ones who actually showed up and jumped and had a great time) have asked me to do it again, it might be worth it just to keep the cancer growth from returning to the event.
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Re: [dmcoco84] Offical BD 2015 Report
In reply to:
In this newspaper article, you were quoted as saying:

"Of the two security options, Kissner said most BASE jumpers opted for the background check."

Now you claim most got fingerprinted. Which is correct?

Also, you can't play music at the exit point without paying an ASCAP fee. They'll probably send you a bill, so no worries. Wink

Bridge Day is not supposed to be laid-back and never has been. Just ask the owner (Dan) of the Holiday Lodge, who couldn't fill half his rooms with jumpers when we normally sell all of them in 30 minutes. Do you think Dan is cool with a laid-back event and no videofest? Do you think Terry at Whitewater Photography is OK with only having 30% of the jumpers and 33% of the jumps we normally make? And what about the Chamber of Commerce, who might have grossed $10,000 total this year ($50x200 jumpers). With a $7000 water rescue bill and no major sponsors due to fingerprinting, do you think they're happy? I'm thinking they're pretty upset at the low turnout.

The new BASE advisors ruined the event for jumpers and hurt the local community financially by stepping in. Jumpers could have gained so much by standing firm until demands were met. Then the hotels would have been filled and normal jumper attendance realized. But what do I know, having only attended Bridge Day since 1992 and organizing the BASE jumping there from 2002-2014.

Now is the time for someone with real organizing skills to step forward and organize Bridge Day 2016.
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
In addition to Mark, I would like to add a few thoughts to the report. I helped this year for a short minute, what I mean by that is the following:

Start to Finish

A few key points come to mind. Most importantly we all enjoyed the event and had fun! Check-in days had me side by side with the WV state police in regard to the security check, "2 x index fingerprint". From the moment they arrived I monitored jumpers and the interactions throughout the entire registration process, it was exactly what it was supposed to be, an option and simple. Phenomenal and great conversations were had for many hours with myself and the WV state police. For me it was great to talk with and enjoy what appeared to be huge mutual respect shown by every officer and many jumpers toward each other. Along with Mark I helped with badges and the security list for the entire check-in process. This could not have been smoother and small things were all that was come up with, hindsight is always 20/20. It was a great feeling to work together with the huge mutual respect had by all in such a pleasant manner. I can't say enough good things about the lettered agencies, state police, Sheriffs, medical staff, rescue boats and many more that it takes to have an event like this. Generally speaking great things come to those who work together, and this saying especially holds true here.

Being first on the bridge to set-up and last off after clean-up did allow me to observe the entire event from the exit point area. No jumps for me this year, and I was not the only one who volunteered to just watch that were on staff. We did this to ensure we could switch off if needed, maintaining all safety checks and procedures that had been set in place for the day. This was just another check level, as well as, a way for us jumpers to have the best and most complete information to communicate back to the Chamber. Next year's event will continue on without a doubt, and on a good path with all working together as a whole for the good of the event. It's not just about the jumpers, it's an event for everyone, which we are a part of.

This third Saturday in October has gone through many changes and a handful of different "organizers" since I first attended Bridge Day many years ago. This year was no different, I have no idea how many long time attendees may have felt this over the weekend, but it felt grass rootsy to me. Positive energy was flowing and seemed to be had by all. Mark, as well as all staff, donated their own free time, and performed as stated on queue. It was a chill and relaxing day of fun despite the swirling trees and marginal winds that some experienced at times. This event is much too large not to continue onward, especially with the heart and dedication I witnessed from The Chamber of Commerce, who runs this and many other events. These good helpful feelings flowed over to every local person I met who helped out in some part doing their normal day to day job that in turn helped out the community as a whole.

The show will go on, as change is inevitable, looking forward to next year already. C-YA again in 2016!

Marvin VandeLinde
BASE 611
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
You are a detriment to the base community Tree.
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Re: [BASE611bsbd] Offical BD 2015 Report
Let's do a fun comparison:
A large fortune 500 company is interested in bringing a large manufacturing facility to your state. You inform the CEO, CFO, President, CIO and founder to come to your town for an event. But, before they can visit, they must submit to a background check. If they don't agree to that, they MUST then agree to a finger print scan and if ANYTHING shows up on that, they will be detained and prevented from any activities in your town. Instead of being greeted as a guest, they will be treated as a criminal, by the local. state and federal LEO's instead of the local dignitaries and leaders and must prove their innocence before being considered not guilty of a crime. Now your community is counting on these wonderful folks that have traveled across the country (at their own expense) in order for your event to even HAPPEN. Now, if you were to spring this on them when they arrive, just how long would they stick around? Better yet, if they KNEW this was the treatment waiting for them, how many of these companies would even show up? Only at Bridge day would this even be considered anything near acceptable. Many this year have seen the light and made a decision to simply do as ANY sane, thinking person would do, NO THANKS!
TF has opened their doors and shown how this SHOULD be handled. BD continues to lag. Every person that continues to support this as OK is simply an enabler for it to continue business as usual. It's no where near " Grass Rootsy" or any other feel good term someone may want to call it. The LEO's are there for 1 reason and 1 reason only. They don't bring a single benefit to the event, including anything that can be remotely considered "security". Those that feel they " saved" BD are so dillussional, it defies description. You have simply contributed to an on going over bearing police state. Instead of recognizing this for what it is, you attempt to justify your actions. This is beyond sad......
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Re: [baronn] Offical BD 2015 Report
Given WV's economy I wouldn't be surprised if that's actually how it worked :)
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Re: [baronn] Offical BD 2015 Report
that sounds exactly like what they do to every single person entering the country.
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Re: [blitzkrieg] Offical BD 2015 Report
And that has what to do with this discussion?
Last time I checked, West Virginia was not a different country.
Though I will give you that on BD, it does resemble Nazi Germany.....
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Re: [baronn] Offical BD 2015 Report
baronn wrote:
Though I will give you that on BD, it does resemble Nazi Germany.....

That's a bit of a stretch, it's not like they are detaining us without reason to check out our background "papers" or numbering us and putting us into some kind of database to recognize who we are like the Nazis did.







......wait a minute.
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Re: [Prior23] Offical BD 2015 Report
Prior23 wrote:
baronn wrote:
Though I will give you that on BD, it does resemble Nazi Germany.....

That's a bit of a stretch, it's not like they are detaining us without reason to check out our background "papers" or numbering us and putting us into some kind of database to recognize who we are like the Nazis did.

......wait a minute.

Godwin's Law! It finally happened! Well done you two. Can't believe it took that long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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Re: [gweeks] Offical BD 2015 Report
gweeks wrote:
Can't believe it took that long.

People were using the same analogy before even leaving BD2014, nothing new here.
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Re: [gweeks] Offical BD 2015 Report
"For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress"

Classic. Thank God we can finally let this thread die in its field.
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
Treejumps wrote:
Here are the stats of the event: 313 jumps made by 150 (out of 205 who registered) jumpers from 3 countries and 29 states. The weather was perfect at 9:00 with no wind, but by 11:00, winds up top were 20+. Once the wind picked up, the LZ could go from no wind to strong gust and back in a few minutes. 80% of the time it was reasonable, 20% of the time it was very sketchy. By 10:30, everyone had their first jump off, so no one missed out on getting one in during the early morning calm.

There were 3 medical transports, 2 with lower leg fractures and one who just hit hard enough to be knocked silly for a while. A 4th was advised to be transported but refused and we were advised by the medical team to pull his pass (he wanted to jump again).

If we go by the feedback of people who attended, everything ran smoothly from check in, transportation, the actual jumping, and of course, an epic party. If something went well, it was solely due to the incredible support and hard work of the staff and volunteers who jumped in and made this thing work. (I hope I have remembered to thank all of you enough) If something didn't go as well, it was due to my lack of planning or experience with the overall event. Working at an event for a dozen years isn't the same as running it, and I'm sure there were things that could have gone better. However, according to all of the stakeholders in the event, we did pretty well. The people who think we did well include the Bridge Day Commission, the NPS, WV State Police, Whitewater Photography, water rescue, and as I'm told, pretty much all of the local politicians and civic leaders around the area. If they have any constructive feedback, I'd love to hear it.

The most common comment I heard was that the event was laid back and relaxed with a very community minded, old school vibe. Those comments came from jumpers and non jumpers, including the NPS? If there were any hassles with event security, I didn't hear about it. Out of all of the jumpers, only 62 sent in the background check, while the rest opted for the scan and had no issues with it. People came to have fun and help other people.

The new exit platform worked out really well and has been donated to the Chamber of Commerce to ensure the future of the event. We had music jamming at the exit point, and most people seemed to like it including the crowd. This also led to an interesting conversation with ranger Frank Selers about how Chris Cornell of Soundgarden has not done a lot lately. Who would have known that Frank really likes to rock out?

When the jumping was over we had the obligatory pizza along with a couple of kegs of local microbrew courtesy of the chamber. At the de-briefing meeting we watched video of the day and gave $500 cash to Craig Nadler for winning the accuracy competition. The Dry Faster than You Heal (DFH) went to Brian Britton (who caught a really bad gust during the 2 way we did). The party more than lived up to Bridge Day standards and went into the wee hours of Sunday morning. The most common question I received all night was, “will you do it again next year”? I don't think so. My goal was to keep the event alive through a withering shit storm, and to make it possible for others to run the event without having to make large investments of time and money. We achieved both of those goals. I am both lifted and humbled by the thanks and appreciation that was shown to me all weekend. To all of you who attended, I am very happy to have been able to spend a fantastic weekend with you. You made it all worth the while.

Cya

How much did your Tandem company make on BD?
How much did you spend out of pocket?

The fact that you said you won't do it again tells everyone......

You Fucked UP in doing it in the first place.
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Re: [Treejumps] Offical BD 2015 Report
http://www.wchstv.com/news/features/eyewitness-news/stories/36th-Annual-Bridge-Day-Brings-Thousands-To-New-River-Gorge-220390.shtml#.Vig7VbzmZlk
You said 450 jumpers. Your not very good at math are ya?

You knew prior to the interview that only 150 had registered.

Jackass!
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Re: [baronn] Offical BD 2015 Report
Just a curious question.
Has anyone here gone to Europe to jump? Malaysia to jump? China to jump? Did you have to give up your fingerprint to do so? Did anyone here refuse to leave this country because they were unwilling to be finger scanned by another country?
If you went to KL tower jump, did you have to show proof or insurance? Did you have to pay to jump there? 500 dollars maybe?
Did you demand they pay your entry fee, insurance fee, hotel room and kiss your ass because you are a walking base god? Or did you simple decide that in order to go to that event, you accepted the cost?

And for the record, Yes I went this year.
I had both index fingers scanned.
I have a past record - and the police report did not show it.
And quite honestly, in todays internet world, I am more comfortable giving up my finger print then handing over my social security number, name, and adress and assuming it won't be used inappropriately.
If my jumping bridge day pisses someone off, then so be it. don't jump with me.
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Re: [W_Heisenberg] Offical BD 2015 Report
Looks like real close to canopy hangup..... results in 180.


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TO: PSF RE: Comparing Past Parachuting Events
I have never been finger-printed to SKY or BASE jump!

I've been to Switzerland, Italy, and Malaysia once each.
KL had an application, Sibu had an application, LB had
rescue insurance and landing cards, the Italians are so
laid back Brento has no paperwork nor any kind of fee.

I have been to Bridge Day a total of seven times:
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, and 2015
All 7 years I supplied name, age, address, social,
and a parachuting reference the first year or two.

I also visited the World Freefall Convention in 2003
plus dropzones in Spain, Mexico, Japan, Dubai, etc.
and again not one of them ever wanted my prints.

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Re: [psf] Offical BD 2015 Report
psf wrote:
Has anyone here gone to Europe to jump? Malaysia to jump? China to jump? Did you have to give up your fingerprint to do so? Did anyone here refuse to leave this country because they were unwilling to be finger scanned by another country?

I have jumped at an organized event in China twice.
I did not get fingerprinted. I presented my passport at the Chinese Consulate in Chicago to get my visa, and I presented my passport when I arrived in China. These were both conditions of entering China as a foreign tourist.

At the BASE event, security dogs were present throughout the day, and jumpers had badges to control access to the bridge.

At no time was I treated like a criminal or suspected criminal.

In fact, the event hosts covered my travel costs and PAID ME to jump at the event.

Imagine that shit - a COMMUNIST country treating me with greater respect and freedom than the United States.

~ Chris

Edited to be clearer.
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Re: [psf] Offical BD 2015 Report
psf wrote:
If my jumping bridge day pisses someone off, then so be it. don't jump with me.

This is the problem.
I guess with the most selfish activity, you should expect total selfishness.
It's really not about you.

And according to the numbers, Bridgeday scabs are in the minority.
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Re: [psf] Offical BD 2015 Report
psf wrote:
And quite honestly, in todays internet world, I am more comfortable giving up my finger print then handing over my social security number, name, and adress and assuming it won't be used inappropriately.

Pssssst I'll let you in on a little secret, there was a third option and it was called don't show up to Bridge Day 2015 like the majority of the community had planned out. Crazy concept right?!
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Re: [gweeks] Offical BD 2015 Report
Calling the jumpers who jumped at 2015 scabs is so laughable it's hardly worth further torturing an already tortured analogy to rebut it. However, if this had been a "strike" the only demand that was ever voiced in the first several months of the "strike" was that finger scans should not be required to jump off the bridge. At first the Bridge Day Commission voted twice to keep the requirement in place. When the Bridge Day Commission relented and made finger scans an option and made several other concessions, the jumpers who then decided they would now participate in Bridge Day 2015, including Jason Bell, could hardly be considered scabs. We got what we asked for and more. "Oh but we could have gotten so much more if we'd only not jumped this year." Well actually we did. The cops who used to harass us were friendly to us. We paid less to jump. We were given a lot more perks from the local businesses. We have a BASE jumper seat on the Bridge Day Commission. We now have several BASE jumpers who have developed friendly working relationships with the people in charge of Bridge Day. That will go a lot further to getting more of what we want in 2016 than being absent ever would have. It wasn't a selfish decision. To pile on more demands after the Bridge Day Commission made their concessions -- some demands that hadn't even voiced yet -- that would have been selfish.

Bridge Day 2015 has come and gone. Many people have expressed their opinions about how it transpired. I consider most of those opinions valid even though I disagree with some of them. Different people have different perspectives and different information and will reach different conclusions. The nature of online discussions makes people dig in harder and be more insulting and dismissive of people who disagree with them than they would in person. I'll admit that I have been guilty of that myself.

That said, there are now several BASE jumpers who have friendly working relationships with the people in charge of Bridge Day. I can't tell anyone what to do, but providing proactive suggestions for changes that you would like to see at Bridge Day 2016 would go much further in accomplishing your goals than continuing to debate about how Bridge Day 2015 happened.
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Re: [psf] Offical BD 2015 Report
Just a curious question.
Has anyone here gone to Europe to jump? Malaysia to jump? China to jump? Did you have to give up your fingerprint to do so? Did anyone here refuse to leave this country because they were unwilling to be finger scanned by another country?
If you went to KL tower jump, did you have to show proof or insurance? Did you have to pay to jump there? 500 dollars maybe?
Did you demand they pay your entry fee, insurance fee, hotel room and kiss your ass because you are a walking base god? Or did you simple decide that in order to go to that event, you accepted the cost?

And for the record, Yes I went this year.
I had both index fingers scanned.
I have a past record - and the police report did not show it.
And quite honestly, in todays internet world, I am more comfortable giving up my finger print then handing over my social security number, name, and adress and assuming it won't be used inappropriately.
If my jumping bridge day pisses someone off, then so be it. don't jump with me.

Hence, another low information individual that is happy to be part of the Sheeple mentality and wants to be angry at any other's that don't agree to his view.

Way to go.
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Re: [gweeks] Offical BD 2015 Report
gweeks wrote:
Prior23 wrote:
baronn wrote:
Though I will give you that on BD, it does resemble Nazi Germany.....

That's a bit of a stretch, it's not like they are detaining us without reason to check out our background "papers" or numbering us and putting us into some kind of database to recognize who we are like the Nazis did.

......wait a minute.

Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian too?
Godwin's Law! It finally happened! Well done you two. Can't believe it took that long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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Re: [psf] Offical BD 2015 Report
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Has anyone here gone to Europe to jump? Malaysia to jump? China to jump? Did you have to give up your fingerprint to do so? Did anyone here refuse to leave this country because they were unwilling to be finger scanned by another country?

Have you ever been outside America at all, or have you been brainwashed into thinking the rest of the world is a collection of totalitarian police states in comparison to the good ol' US of A?

'Cos seriously dude, those are some wierd questionsLaugh
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Re: [jakee] Offical BD 2015 Report
jakee wrote:
In reply to:
Has anyone here gone to Europe to jump? Malaysia to jump? China to jump? Did you have to give up your fingerprint to do so? Did anyone here refuse to leave this country because they were unwilling to be finger scanned by another country?

Have you ever been outside America at all, or have you been brainwashed into thinking the rest of the world is a collection of totalitarian police states in comparison to the good ol' US of A?

'Cos seriously dude, those are some wierd questions Laugh

i think that is his point! He say that the other countries he list are not as free as US but they do not act like totalitarian police states toward base jumpers compare to "good ol' US of A."
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Re: [seekfun] Offical BD 2015 Report
I guess it boils down to being a sign of the times.

Just look at how events are organised now compared to 25 years ago. Security guys everywhere, camera's, crowd control, credentials, etc. etc. The same with visa and borders, or just entering a (semi)government building. Also in Europe. Just more and more checks. Hey, we have iris eye scans at AMS airport. Sure, quicker access but you have to hand over your scan first.

Seems like the inmates have left the asylum. Western society is getting more and more safe, but people are feeling more and more insecure and unsafe, and law enforcers / governments just impose more and more measures. Is society safer because of all those measures? Or do we feel more insecure because of it? Being a young adult in the '70ties, I am not a fan of too many rules.

Wether it helps or not to not attend a base event to turn this general societal direction only future can tell. FWIW, my gut feeling tells me the attendants list of jumpers would have been available to police / government for years in the past.

Ronald