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Re: [Treejumps] Bridge Day Update
Treejumps wrote:
The security stuff absolutely sucks...Its part of the world we live in

It didn't have to be that way. Obviously the event has taken a huge hit despite your best efforts. I believe that if the boycott was allowed to succeed we would have been given much more respect in 2016.
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Re: [Treejumps] Bridge Day Update
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Its part of the world we live in

I think you mistyped that: it's the part of the world we live in.

Most of the world outside of the U.S. & Australia doesn't consider BASE jumpers criminals per se.
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Re: [Treejumps] Bridge Day Update
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Against my better judgement

Oxymoron...

Treejumps wrote:
Against my better judgement, I am making a post. As you may have figured out, I don't post anything anymore and I don't read anything either. What is the point posting here for the 5 or 10 people who will never have anything positive to say? None, but I hear through the grapevine that the board has been on fire, so here is the status of the event:
There are currently 175 jumpers. Roughly 25 first timers, all but one who met Jason's first jump minimum of 100 jumps. The 1 guy under is close and has been training for BD doing CRW. He'll probably be the best first timer there. There is a free BBQ Friday evening paid for by the chamber. The Holiday wasn't booking up fast enough so they gave everyone, even those who has already booked, a steep discount. We didn't bother with a crane, but Whitewater Photography is renting a 45' boom lift that will get them just as far out to get good shots. Pepsi is doing the VIP tent at the exit and Go Fast is providing all the energy drink we can stand. Marcus has worked with chamber to get all of the packing mats and so forth set up. The chamber also put up $500 for the accuracy contest and bought the target. The event will run just as always with the goal of having everyone off by about 10:30, after which, as you know, there will never be a line due to the low number of jumpers. Apres jump, local pizza and local microbrew kegs, courtesy of the chamber. All in all its pretty low key. The people who come out will have a great day and the first timers will probably be saying it was the best day of their lives. That is enough for me.

Had I been able to keep the jumpbridgeday.com site up it would have been pretty easy to have 300+ jumpers. (that and the Facebook group and other online activities) Its pretty amazing that anyone could find the registration on officialbridgeday.com. At any rate, I've already been able to work on the hand off to someone who has more time and interest in doing this than me. This was always a one shot deal for me. The security stuff absolutely sucks, but I feel confident that it can be overcome, and as we have seen, lots of people don't really care too much about it. Its part of the world we live in, but that world also continues to include an awfully fun event at NRGB on the 3rd Sat of October.

Write what you will but do so knowing that I won't be reading it. Something about sticks and stones. This message will self destruct in 16 days.

Cya
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Re: [Treejumps] Bridge Day Update
Treejumps wrote:
There are currently 175 jumpers. Roughly 25 first timers, all but one who met Jason's first jump minimum of 100 jumps. The 1 guy under is close and has been training for BD doing CRW. He'll probably be the best first timer there.

I could write a lot regarding trees post but I'll only ask a couple of things. Out of the remaining 150 jumpers who aren't 1st time jumpers, how many are experienced jumpers and how many only jump at Bridge Day? What kind of safety briefings are being provided to new/inexperienced jumpers? I know a few new jumpers who are going and I'd like to know if they will be on their own or not when it comes to assessing the conditions of the river, the LZ, the weather etc. What kind of gear checks will be going on?
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Re: [base570] Bridge Day Update
I heard the gear checks are going to be done by the same guy who did the 2013 Bridge Day videos so they'll be in good hands.
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Re: [base570] Bridge Day Update
I can answer the parts I know.

On Friday night the river level, beach availability, areas to avoid, and landing pattern for various wind scenarios will be discussed. Dry Faster than you Heal will be highly encouraged. Johnny Utah is going to run about an hour long safety briefing discussing common malfunctions & pilot error with video examples and Q&A.

At registration gear will be checked to be BASE specific, have three rings assembled correctly, be in good overall condition, have a 9 foot bridle, and have a 38-42 inch pilot chute correctly attached. Rigs will get a colored band after passing inspection. New jumpers will get a different color so they can get higher scrutiny and more assistance at the exit point.

At exit there will be gear checkers who are riggers and/or highly experienced BASE jumpers to check every jumper. These are the instructions they have been provided (open to feedback):

Check:
1. Harness for twists
2. Bridle routing and pilot chute folding if going hand held/Pilot chute stowed well if going stowed.
3. Pins sufficiently in place or velcro sufficiently mated
4. Three ring assembly
5. Chest strap and leg straps
6. Helmet snapped
7. Badge put away
8. Head to toe check for loose clothing that could cause problems and snag points (boots with lace hooks, loose pads, sketchy camera mounts, etc.)
9. Anything out of the ordinary

Don't get complacent about gear checks. Every year a gear problem has been found and not just on first time jumpers. Each of the items on the check list has been a problem at least once since I've been going to Bridge Day. You will have to help some newer jumpers fold their pilot chute. If something doesn't look right to you, talk to the jumper about it and/or get a second opinion from another staff member. If you have any doubt about something don't just let it slide.


Exit staff will be in constant communication with LZ staff and will relay wind conditions to jumpers. Anyone who can't make up their own mind about whether they should jump in current conditions will be encouraged not to jump.
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Re: [Treejumps] Bridge Day Update
"If a BASE jumper would like to enter through the gates at 9:00 a.m. foregoing the background scan, they may do so. However they will be required to unpack their rig for inspection. It is considered a backpack/large bag. If you want to do this and then pack your chute, then get in line to jump; by all means inform the coordinator. (Note: this has always been an option at Bridge Day since the inception of background checks) "

WHAT ?
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Re: [Huck] Bridge Day Update
I've never heard of this option.

My contract for 2012-2014 stated I need to obtain SSN/birthdate for all jumpers and hand over to the Sheriff of Fayette County. The only exception was a prior background check. It's funny how some people try to change written history.
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Re: [Huck] Bridge Day Update
Huck wrote:
"If a BASE jumper would like to enter through the gates at 9:00 a.m. foregoing the background scan, they may do so. However they will be required to unpack their rig for inspection. It is considered a backpack/large bag. If you want to do this and then pack your chute, then get in line to jump; by all means inform the coordinator. (Note: this has always been an option at Bridge Day since the inception of background checks) "

WHAT ?

what is the source of this quote?
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Re: [cavitator] Bridge Day Update
http://cynthialynnchronicles.com/...e-about-that-bridge/
edit: quote is halfway down.

This article is TERRIBLE to read. Info seems terrible. The one quote is from a guy who has ONE bridge jump in 1998. I think even someone on facebook threatened a lawsuit because of info there within.
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Re: [Huck] Bridge Day Update
Huck wrote:
http://cynthialynnchronicles.com/...e-about-that-bridge/
edit: quote is halfway down.

This article is TERRIBLE to read. Info seems terrible. The one quote is from a guy who has ONE bridge jump in 1998. I think even someone on facebook threatened a lawsuit because of info there within.

Thank you for the link. You are right. I know my English writing is not always the best but this person is really bad about sentence structure and punctuation and using wrong words - what is "exuberant cost" I wonder?

C
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Re: [cavitator] Bridge Day Update
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what is the source of this quote?

Unless I am mistaken, Cynthia Lynn is Tree's pen name. Wink
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
Sure would be curious who this highly experienced exit staff is gonna be. Don't get me wrong, this should be SOP on every jump. Sounds like another empty commitment that hasn't got a real chance of happening. Perhaps Base428 mite have more info on how it should be done.
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Re: [Treejumps] Bridge Day Update
Sounds like it's going to be quite the rager this year...


Unimpressed
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Re: Bridge Day Update
Pictures attached from the Holiday Lodge ballroom and parking lot earlier today. Four State Police officers are working the fingerprinting booth in the ballroom. At least three State Police vehicles are parked out front. I'm told that jumpers only filled half of the 119 rooms and spectators have the other half. Disappointing.

I still love Bridge Day and hope that the BD Commission and new advisors learn something from this.
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Re: [base428] Bridge Day Update
base428 wrote:
Pictures attached from the Holiday Lodge ballroom and parking lot earlier today. Four State Police officers are working the fingerprinting booth in the ballroom. At least three State Police vehicles are parked out front. I'm told that jumpers only filled half of the 119 rooms and spectators have the other half. Disappointing.

I still love Bridge Day and hope that the BD Commission and new advisors learn something from this.

good, I hope they catch all those criminal BASE jumpers they are looking for. Do you realized how fucked this relationship is that you are enduring? I hope you get a reach around from the city.
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Re: [base428] Bridge Day Update
I just tried to reserve a room there. According to the website. plenty are left.
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Re: [base428] Bridge Day Update
What did the notes on the doors say?
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Re: [baronn] Bridge Day Update
baronn wrote:
What did the notes on the doors say?

This way to relinquish your rights -------->

Crazy
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Re: [base428] Bridge Day Update
base428 wrote:
Pictures attached from the Holiday Lodge ballroom and parking lot earlier today. Four State Police officers are working the fingerprinting booth in the ballroom. At least three State Police vehicles are parked out front. I'm told that jumpers only filled half of the 119 rooms and spectators have the other half. Disappointing.

I still love Bridge Day and hope that the BD Commission and new advisors learn something from this.

What I don't see... 400+ friends having fun.
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Re: [baronn] Bridge Day Update
baronn wrote:
Sure would be curious who this highly experienced exit staff is gonna be. Don't get me wrong, this should be SOP on every jump. Sounds like another empty commitment that hasn't got a real chance of happening. Perhaps Base428 mite have more info on how it should be done.

I don't make empty commitments. Most of the staff members have been on Bridge Day staff before. The guys checking gear have hundreds of BASE jumps each and close to or over 10 years in the sport. Most are also riggers. At checkin several pilot chutes were found hooked up incorrectly and fixed. I can only speak for the morning crew at the exit point. Our checkers found no gear problems. There were no gear related incidents the whole day.
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
How can someone possibly hook up a pc wrong?
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Re: [Skez] Bridge Day Update
I've seen it personally 5 times when checking before heliboogie in one season and normally every season atleast 1 hooked up wrong ...
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Re: [Skez] Bridge Day Update
The most common mistake was larks head through the loading tapes but not center line. Another guy larks headed through the center line only.
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
Glad to hear problems were caught before they became an issue.
This simply raises the question of why was this staff there?
Clearly choosing to ignore the boycott started by their former organizer. Not understanding the power of a unified organization to band together for some real improvements is, at best, disappointing. Hope it was worth losing your basic freedoms for a measley 6 hr window to make a few base jumps. I personnally can't understand why anyone could would do such a thing but then, my standards are different.....
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Re: [baronn] Bridge Day Update
baronn wrote:
Glad to hear problems were caught before they became an issue.
This simply raises the question of why was this staff there?
Clearly choosing to ignore the boycott started by their former organizer. Not understanding the power of a unified organization to band together for some real improvements is, at best, disappointing. Hope it was worth losing your basic freedoms for a measley 6 hr window to make a few base jumps. I personnally can't understand why anyone could would do such a thing but then, my standards are different.....

Yup. Pretty much. I was in the meeting when Jason brought this up to the staff last year- and the entire room agreed they would not come to bridge day with the new security requirements. Same with everyone in the general meeting. Funny how fast people were able to switch directions once a different organizer swooped in to undercut the boycott.

One year. That is all that was needed to save this event. Why couldn't we just trust the guy running Bridge Day for over a decade??? Everyone in those meetings TOLD him to stand up for us. Then we, as a community, shit all over him (and visa vi- the event itself).

BASE jumpers will always be our own worst enemies. I hope everyone enjoyed getting to lap the bridge all day. It just had to come at the expense of the longest running base event/party in history. Nice work guys.
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Re: [baronn] Bridge Day Update
baronn wrote:
This simply raises the question of why was this staff there?
Clearly choosing to ignore the boycott started by their former organizer. Not understanding the power of a unified organization to band together for some real improvements is, at best, disappointing. Hope it was worth losing your basic freedoms for a measley 6 hr window to make a few base jumps. I personnally can't understand why anyone could would do such a thing but then, my standards are different.....

Well I can only speak for myself. I followed all the Bridge Day issues as closely as I could since being in the staff meeting and the post jump meeting at Bridge Day 2014. Jason didn't organize a boycott. That was a grassroots effort. Jason told us his contract was up and he wasn't going to renew it unless the finger scanning requirement went away. He reconfirmed that in this post. The grassroots boycott was originally all about getting the finger scanning requirement removed. When Mark told me that he would be the Bridge Day organizer this year and he got the Bridge Day Commission to make the finger scanning requirement optional I thought great! The boycott worked. Those who want to jump at Bridge Day 2015 without getting their finger scanned (myself included) will get to do so. I was happy to volunteer on staff again. It was a lot of work for a free t-shirt but it was a labor of love. My favorite part of it is seeing new jumpers conquer their fear and take the leap. The Bridge Day Commission was true to their word. I and many others did the traditional background check and were never asked to get our finger scanned.
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Re: [Halfpastniner] Bridge Day Update
Halfpastniner wrote:
baronn wrote:
Glad to hear problems were caught before they became an issue.
This simply raises the question of why was this staff there?
Clearly choosing to ignore the boycott started by their former organizer. Not understanding the power of a unified organization to band together for some real improvements is, at best, disappointing. Hope it was worth losing your basic freedoms for a measley 6 hr window to make a few base jumps. I personnally can't understand why anyone could would do such a thing but then, my standards are different.....

Yup. Pretty much. I was in the meeting when Jason brought this up to the staff last year- and the entire room agreed they would not come to bridge day with the new security requirements. Same with everyone in the general meeting. Funny how fast people were able to switch directions once a different organizer swooped in to undercut the boycott.

One year. That is all that was needed to save this event. Why couldn't we just trust the guy running Bridge Day for over a decade??? Everyone in those meetings TOLD him to stand up for us. Then we, as a community, shit all over him (and visa vi- the event itself).

BASE jumpers will always be our own worst enemies. I hope everyone enjoyed getting to lap the bridge all day. It just had to come at the expense of the longest running base event/party in history. Nice work guys.

Some people have a hard time seeing the forest through the trees (no pun intended) unfortunately. If everyone would have followed through with the boycott as it was intended its possible we could have been looking at a Bridge Day 2016 with no background checks or fingerprinting. We can't know for sure but there was really only one true way to find out. Is it that big of a deal for your average person to get a background check or fingerprint recorded? No not really, but the whole point was fighting for more respect towards the base community as a whole and trying NOT to be treated like criminals or terrorists.

But now the BDC now knows there will always be those saps that can't live without their 6 hours on the bridge no matter what the potential cost is in the long run. C'est la vie I guess.
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
The Boycott worked? Did I read that right? I suppose a person can skew facts when they want to but, not in this case. It may have worked if people like you (and everyone else) that participated this year had simply not shown up. Opinions are 1 thing, facts are another. The finger scanner was setup. We all saw it. It wasn't eliminated, it was another threat. If you didn't agree to this intrusion of privacy, we're gonna do this intrusion of your privacy. Some victory! Justify your Sheeple mentality anyway you want. It doesn't change that the only thing achieved was showing the commission that there are enough of you to go around and they won't have to look far to find another fool to replace you. A very sad day indeed......
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
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I and many others did the traditional background check and were never asked to get our finger scanned.

Yeah, but I hear CSC has been hacked... so now your identity and all personal information is being used by a Malaysian lady boy.
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Re: [baronn] Bridge Day Update
baronn wrote:
The Boycott worked? Did I read that right? I suppose a person can skew facts when they want to but, not in this case. It may have worked if people like you (and everyone else) that participated this year had simply not shown up. Opinions are 1 thing, facts are another. The finger scanner was setup. We all saw it. It wasn't eliminated, it was another threat. If you didn't agree to this intrusion of privacy, we're gonna do this intrusion of your privacy. Some victory! Justify your Sheeple mentality anyway you want. It doesn't change that the only thing achieved was showing the commission that there are enough of you to go around and they won't have to look far to find another fool to replace you. A very sad day indeed......

Why the fuck would I feel threatened by a machine I didn't have to use? Here's a few facts for you: I jumped and partied at Bridge Day 2015, had a blast, saw a bunch of old friends, made a bunch of new ones and didn't get my finger scanned. I call that a win.
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
Is it about fingerscans or being treated like a terrorist?

Is there any other event that a background check is required to attend?
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
gweeks wrote:
The most common mistake was larks head through the loading tapes but not center line. Another guy larks headed through the center line only.

Attaching it assymetrically.
take care,
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Re: [Huck] Bridge Day Update
In the '96 Olympics I got a palm and retina scan because I was a volunteer at the white water events on the Ocoee River.

Which brings up another valid point, the bomber in Atlanta was a spectator, not a security cleared team member.
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Re: [gauleyguide] Bridge Day Update
I knew of one guy that a hit came back on his finger scan. He was not a jumper, not sure what he did, but he was on a "watch list" and he got a red light. Once he got his red light, then they did a separate run on him to see why. It turned out because of his DoD security clearance, his name was on a list that informed airports to let the DoD know he was leaving the country. Once the State Police saw this they gave him back his ID and was cleared to participate.
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Re: [gauleyguide] Bridge Day Update
Ok..... so what does it matter? Is there a base/terrorist connection?
Search everyone before they enter. Simple.
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Re: [gweeks] Bridge Day Update
Not sure anyone has to be "threatened" by a machine but, it seems you are by someone calling you out for what has obviously been a bad call. If consider this a "win", so be it. It's your life, live it as you see fit. You simply chose your poison. Agreeing to an unnecessary background check and being treated as a criminal in the name of security, is your choice. Your inability to recognizing this is your choice. However, thru your actions (and everyone else that attended), it has severely handicapped the chances of making a real change in the future. Yer OK with that? Fine. Don't force this on everyone else just like the LEO's from BD.
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Re: [gauleyguide] Bridge Day Update
This is perfect. The only "hit" they got was a DoD member. If a terrorist really wanted to do anything at this event (and I can't see why) there are plenty of options available. Last time I checked, nobody is stopping the raft bus's that cross the bridge all day.
These so called "security" measures are ineffective and unconstitutional.
They should NOT happen. Period. Take a stand against this kind of tyranny and there'll be plenty of opportunities to party and meet a LOT more friends, make many more, unmolested jumps and a chance to enjoy our sport without being guilty of a crime.