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Anyone get their hands on this container?

What are your thoughts?

I received mine yesterday.

It looks well constructed, it took approximately 5 weeks for delivery and with a Outlaw package discount was well priced. Came with a spare set of closing loops there is internal pocket in the tray to store some spares or a slider. The pocket stache is nice, simple and compact.

It is appears to be very traditionally constructed rig like they advertise nothing revolutionary. The milled aluminum chest strap buckle is a nice touch and seems really robust and the aerojack hook knife is an improvement when comparing to what comes with some other rigs

Packing it with an Outlaw 293 was pretty sweet as well.

Thanks man. That black finish is sweet, is it a special order? Their package-deal puts the whole system at a nice price for sure!

Are you jumping a lightweight outlaw? I'm curious as to how low bulk that combo is. Would love to hear more from you once you've put som jumps on both the container and the canopy :)

Safe jumps bro

yeah i just shipped them the cordura, yes its a low bulk outlaw seems to pack nice. i will put it on the scales when i get back home

there was also a discount on PCs and staches

I just got mine. Put one slider down jump on it. Looks sharp, fits very well, extremely comfortable. The package price makes it pretty affordable, wish I would have been able to get that discount on my Outlaw and Snatch though.

Only thing to compare it to is a Perigee II, unfortunately.
I'm heading to Brento and LB with it on Friday, so I'll have more to say after I put more jumps on it.

The only thing that seems weird to me right now is that there are no tuck tabs on the riser covers. The risers just slip in between the harness and the top flap. Haven't had an issue with it though, just something I noticed.

Nice, I'm really keen to hear how it performs in the terminal realm! The Outlaw as well! Keep them posts coming.

You should talk with Tom A about the Outlaw. I love my 248 personally, but I don't have experience to compare it with other canopies.

As for the kN, I'll be happy to post more about it after I jump more. If you've got any specific questions I can take pictures/give my opinion.

Please bear in mind I only have 150 BASE jumps, and my comparison is based on Outlaw/kN vs Mojo/Perigee II.

I'm more interested in the openings during terminal/ws, so don't hesitate dropping your opinion. All info is welcomed

I made 33 terminal jumps on my Outlaw in the first two weeks of June, 12 at Brento and 21 in Lauterbrunnen. Most of the jumps were done with a PTS, but some were made on a Prodigy as well. I'd have to look at my log book to be sure, but I'd guess something around two thirds PTS and one third Prodigy.

I used the largest slider brake (the one that's really intended for skydiving) because I'm old and soft and like to pull high. The openings were soft enough to be comfortable, but the snivel was never enough to worry about.

Honestly, I think the Outlaw is the best slider up canopy I've ever jumped. I think that viewing it as a slider down canopy is probably a mistake. The flight performance is great, the landings are wonderful, and the slider up openings are very comfortable and reliable. With the slider brake off (full mesh slider) I'd bet that you'd be pretty confident pulling in the basement regularly, but I only ran the slider without the brake a couple of times to feel it out.

One of our instructors is jumping his Outlaws exclusively in Europe right now, and is there for about two months. I know he had several days of 10+ jumps at Stechelberg, so he'll have a lot more feedback than I do, but I think he's too busy jumping to get on here and share his experience until sometime in October.

Thanks man :) Great info!

these are the three slider configurations and brakes that come with the Outlaw.

Ive used the outlaw for a fair few WS jumps. Opens great. Ive only used it without any slider inserts. I like the more agressive flying of the ibex for bigger LZs, but the outlaw is damned impressive in how it opens and flys in all situations. If im traveling and only bringing one rig,lightweight outlaw is the way to go for every possible scenario.

The Outlaw is my daily wingsuit canopy. Mostly because the heading performance is really forgiving, and seems to have flare left in the bank no matter what the approach speed. Before regular use I was concerned it wouldn't have adequate glide if i was to find myself low over some trees, but any compromise really doesn't feel like an issue. Like Charley, I don't use a slider brake, just regulate speed with the suit, and have very comfortable openings.

The glide angle seems quite good, actually. It's just that the forward speed is very low, so if you need to fight wind you may have to use the fronts.

Any updates on the KN Terminal? I'm looking at buying the Gear Package with Squirrel but have my heart set on terminal . Although nothing around my area is terminal.. Anyways if ya get a chance would love to hear how it was off Brento and the Valley

Oh yeah! Sorry, I got caught up with other responsibilities after I got home.

I loved it terminal, absolutely no complaints. The pin flap is solid and stays nice and snug during tracking and wingsuit jumps. It was plenty comfortable to make 8+ jumps in a day - although I'd say the Outlaw had more to do with overall deployment comfort than the kN!

If you're in the US, you can see a rear-facing kN shot here: https://www.youtube.com/...3a13OcIk&t=5m15s

For reference - I made 56 jumps in a terminal configuration during my time in Brento and Lauterbrunnen.

The KN is fine at terminal.

One of our instructors made more than a hundred terminal jumps on his over the last two months. No issues.

Roger that! Thanks !

Have seen, but have not jumped,
would be wiling to Slider-Off or UP
provided I had the right parachute.

Only problem with mine is that it has these silly ring things instead of integrated risers. Super comfy, built well, cutaway cable housing seems bulky but i do not really have anything to compare the housing to. Definitely gets my stamp of approval for aerials. Opened everytime so far ;)
I really like my outlaw also. I did a super slow-deep unpacked double with it and normally get slammed on my flik but my outlaw made it seem like a 1 second delay.

I received my kN/Outlaw last week and got the opportunity to put 7 jumps on it over the weekend in Twin. I am really happy with the kN and Outlaw so far, but the only complaint I have has to do with the torso measurement. I had a dealer do the measurements for me so I assume they were done correctly, but the rig does feel a bit tighter than I expected. It does fit, but if I were any taller it would probably be an issue. I don't know if this has to do with their manufacturing and how they measure the torso, or if I just had incorrect measurements submitted. Or maybe I was just used to how the articulated harness fit me on the Hybrid I jumped before my kN. There is nothing too revolutionary or new about this container, but it had all the features I was looking for and the container/canopy discount along with the 5 week lead time made it feel like a steal. I attached a few photos of the rig...

 

But what if you are doing aerials and pitch while upsose down? ;)

Sounds legit lol

Umm, are you expecting to grow?

What is the benefit of making the top&bottom flaps out of ripstop? My current rig is all cordura, which i like. When I emailed squirrel about it, the response was that "it is the perfect balance of weight and durability". Is the ripstop much more lightweight? I'm asking because I am thinking of placing an order, but will probably ask for cordura top&bottom flaps

Lighter, yes. And the top and bottom flaps aren't usually exposed to as much wear and tear/abrasion as the rest of the container.

https://squirrel.ws/...Guide_STRONGLITE.pdf

This is the measurement guide.
How tight are your leg straps and chest strap? Ive seen people with a tendency to over tighten chest straps. It really doesnt need to be that tight. After i tighten mine I like to bust out a full arch, spread my arms/chest, and see if the chest strap is restricting my spread at all, if it is I loosen it until it doesnt. Same with leg straps. For my leg straps I hate walking with them cinched up so I usually do those before the jump, just dont forget.

I measured myself in undershirt, underpants, coat, and winter pants since that would be the "worse case" scenario so to speak and i like to jump when its cold out.

I have top flap cordura and bottom ripstop on mine

I just got my KN and its fits great except for the leg straps. its definitely a tight fit. I'm used to the pads connecting when you pull the leg straps tight, and the KN definitely has a gap between where the webbing is. Not going to be an issue, maybe a little uncomfortable, but its definitely tight. I would ask for a little extra or adjust measurements accordingly. You can always tighten more, but if there isn't enough it could be a problem.

A firend of mine received a kN few weeks ago and also seems that it's quite tight. basically when put on, leg straps don't really need to be tightened but few inches (and basically could be jumped without tightening at all)

I personally like my leg staps to hang very loose before and after the jump, but maybe there's a reason behind them being that tight...

Mine fits good, i can even get my legs in them when the rig is on my back. But im flexible, maybe you guys are gaining some weight, watch out for that western diet. Measure and see if there is a discrepency between your measurements and the rigs measurement. I measured myself on all the measurements, i dont trust anyone else not to fuck it up.

Yeah my legstraps are plenty long. I leave them pretty loose for tracking/wingsuit jumps, and then tighten them almost all the way for slider down.

I'm curious as to why you do this.

Makes a huge difference as to how far I can shrug my shoulders. Especially while tracking, I try to push my shoulders up to my ears.

I used to feel the same but now I think it's pretty counterproductive in a modern tracking suit - it just works to pitch you more head up into slow flight mode.

Similarly (IMO) an efficient wing suit should be tight enough that if you're stretching it with your toes you can't fully shrug your shoulders up either.

ok, thanks for your explanation.

Hi Tom,
Do you view using it as a slider off canopy as a mistake because of the sink out directly after opening? Can you go into more detail with this?

I think that viewing it as a dedicated slider down canopy (which it has been described as) is a mistake, because it is a fantastic slider up canopy.