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goinin
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Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
After Nevada put legislation in place to prosecute BASE jumpers I dropped this video on youtube and liveleak.com. We weren't busted or contacted after the fact so I'm sure our escapades didnt have anything to do with the legislation, rather other notable past transgressions. To portray BASE in a positive light Im focusing on creating a BASE event for Charity, with a sick stunt coming soon.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be7_1434385553
base570
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Re: [goinin] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
I think you are naive in thinking that just because you weren't busted your jump wasn't noticed by the owners of the building and they didn't in turn use their lobbying resources to push for the current legislation against BASE. Obviously, there are many more incidents that helped push forward these regulations but thinking that since you got away, no one noticed is crazy for a jump like that.

The Nevada Resort Association, which the Luxor is a part of, are the ones who lobbied the legislature for the new regulations.
http://www.nevadaresorts.org/partners/

I also personally think that trying to promote yourself and your charity event with these quasi-illegal jumps and this unfortunate turn of events is misguided to say the least. I'm not sure how you think this is a good idea other than to get you exposure. It does nothing to promote BASE as a legitimate activity and most non-jumpers will think this was a stupid stunt putting bystanders at risk. It doesn't matter if you took precautions and jumped when no one was around, or anything else because normal people will not see or care to investigate what planning you did. People LOVE making snap decisions based upon their personal comfort level and this is way too far outside of their realm of experience to even consider it being a smart thing to do.
Also, how can you claim this is a 'first'? Wasn't this stunt done a year previous and the stale 'dead presidents' thing played out decades ago.... Crazy
JBag
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Re: [base570] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
base570 wrote:
I think you are naive in thinking that just because you weren't busted your jump wasn't noticed by the owners of the building and they didn't in turn use their lobbying resources to push for the current legislation against BASE. Obviously, there are many more incidents that helped push forward these regulations but thinking that since you got away, no one noticed is crazy for a jump like that.

The Nevada Resort Association, which the Luxor is a part of, are the ones who lobbied the legislature for the new regulations.
http://www.nevadaresorts.org/partners/

I also personally think that trying to promote yourself and your charity event with these quasi-illegal jumps and this unfortunate turn of events is misguided to say the least. I'm not sure how you think this is a good idea other than to get you exposure. It does nothing to promote BASE as a legitimate activity and most non-jumpers will think this was a stupid stunt putting bystanders at risk. It doesn't matter if you took precautions and jumped when no one was around, or anything else because normal people will not see or care to investigate what planning you did. People LOVE making snap decisions based upon their personal comfort level and this is way too far outside of their realm of experience to even consider it being a smart thing to do.
Also, how can you claim this is a 'first'? Wasn't this stunt done a year previous and the stale 'dead presidents' thing played out decades ago.... Crazy

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nickfrey
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Re: [JBag] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
JBag wrote:
base570 wrote:
I think you are naive in thinking that just because you weren't busted your jump wasn't noticed by the owners of the building and they didn't in turn use their lobbying resources to push for the current legislation against BASE. Obviously, there are many more incidents that helped push forward these regulations but thinking that since you got away, no one noticed is crazy for a jump like that.

The Nevada Resort Association, which the Luxor is a part of, are the ones who lobbied the legislature for the new regulations.
http://www.nevadaresorts.org/partners/

I also personally think that trying to promote yourself and your charity event with these quasi-illegal jumps and this unfortunate turn of events is misguided to say the least. I'm not sure how you think this is a good idea other than to get you exposure. It does nothing to promote BASE as a legitimate activity and most non-jumpers will think this was a stupid stunt putting bystanders at risk. It doesn't matter if you took precautions and jumped when no one was around, or anything else because normal people will not see or care to investigate what planning you did. People LOVE making snap decisions based upon their personal comfort level and this is way too far outside of their realm of experience to even consider it being a smart thing to do.
Also, how can you claim this is a 'first'? Wasn't this stunt done a year previous and the stale 'dead presidents' thing played out decades ago.... Crazy

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Hey Goinin, aren't you the same guy that promoted an event on Lake Tahoe and thought pulling people out of the lake with a powered paraglider to drop them on a blob was a good idea? Whoever that was managed to chop a womens fingers up with the PPG fan blade. I believe that was billed as a charity event as well. To which organization was money donated? How much?

Pretty sure even before that you had a pretty questionable reputation in the community. Now you're trying to gain publicity and notoriety by self promoting the very jumps that do the most damage to Base Jumping reputation, all the while pointing the finger at others for things you yourself have done.

Sounds like a winner in my book!
JDS
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Re: [nickfrey] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
+1 million....

I remember him at a RB demo jump in Reno about 10 years ago, he was walking around with a BASE rig on, handing out flyers to the public to self promote some movie he was gonna make and donate it all to charity.

He is the charity!
Lucid
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Re: [JDS] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Haha, this is whats wrong with BASE. Trying to exploit it for personal gain. I have no problem with people being sponsored, its the ones that do stupid shit to try to make a buck to be like the ones that are sponsored. I do stupid shit all the time, not to gain attention, but because I just like pushing myself. PCAs and staic lines, ooo cant wait to see the next "rad" jump.
Lucid
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Re: [JDS] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
If you want to promote education you could at least correct the grammar on your website. Seriously? You cant compete with the Zuckerberg.
milkflyrockclimb
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Re: [goinin] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
How are you portraying BASE in a positive light? You're blatantly posting videos of what are technically easy jumps, all the while trying to make it seem so bad ass. Sorry buddy, gainers from a tower or a static line aren't difficult. Want impressive BASE that's worth sponsoring? Watch Scotty bob or any of the proxy flyers that are actually doing impressive things.

Don't be a loser. Stop your worthless campaign for money. I feel proxy embarrassed for you.
Rover
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Re: [goinin] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be7_1434385553
goinin
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Re: [nickfrey] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Nick,

What took you so long to chime in and Bash me?? Longtime no talk shit! Good to see your still alive and into Hating, the charity we donated to was the Moore Oklahoma tornado relief fund. An exact dollar amount I cannot give you as we had several people license the footage and we had them donate directly to the charity! The number was in the thousands but under 10k. As for the girl that got hurt, that really sucked for sure! She was the roommate of a BASE jumper and wormed her way into the mix, and then got hurt! You think I'm trying get people hurt? seriously!!

I'll agree with you that I'm not perfect, and not everything I've done has had it's intended result! But did hear a proverb once that read pull the 2x4 out of your own eye before you you pull the splinter out of mine. (Or something to that effect)

So educate me how much did you raise for charity last year or what are you doing right now to promote base in a positive light? I'm not some rouge dude trying to gain fame and would love to hear how your working towards and end goal. Seriously dude PM me I'll give you my number and maybe you can talk some sense into me! I heard you bounced outta Tahoe years ago, I wish you the best and can learn to love instead of hate
Lucid
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Re: [goinin] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Your website and previous post on BJer stated you were supporting children and education with the charity. Good thing your non profit isnt up and running, I hear misappropriation of solicited funds is a crime, just like your now illegal jumps you are flashing like your balls to the public.
Lucid
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Re: [Lucid] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
If you'd like some constructive criticism I'd suggest making a more professional video. Not one where you are dancing around jerking each other off. Pick legal objects. Its like if they made kicking dogs illegal, you compile all your previous dog kicking footage, then post that on the internet and ask for donations so you can kick more dogs in the ass. Shit just doesnt make sense. Why is igobig.org a social media outlet? Shit doesnt make sense either. It should be about the damn charity and what you are actually doing and where the money is going. Id suggest giving up the whole social media thing altogether, it turns away potential donators when they see that it looks like a place you'll likely be a victim of identity theft. The fake facebook look doesnt do any justice either. If you are serious about your cause, up the professionalism. And lastely you need to change the name to igosmall :p until you start going BIG of course, then you may switch the name back!
colsco
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Professionalism? Shit not making sense?

Since we're on those subjects, this thread could use some more poor decisions and flaming tennis balls.
Lucid
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Re: [colsco] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
People die, people die BASE jumping. Get over it. Why do you need someone to blame?
Yes, if you are soliciting funds for a charity a different level of professionalism is required.
If you are having fun pushing yourself and doing what you want to do for yourself bring out the flaming balls.
We all know you have a pair.
colsco
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Re: [Lucid] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Because people are turning into selective pussies. And the hero-worship on this site is fucked and severely misplaced. Ask anyone who's been jumping for more than a couple years or jumps with a crew with history.

And however misplaced--and don't take this as an endorsement for whoevergoesbig.com--there's a big difference between intent for a charity--however in err--and luring inexperienced people under the premise of learning from a "Legend". (<---FUCKING LAUGHABLE)

You want to judge someone? Go ahead. Just apply it equally. Take off the fucking blinders and don't be so selective in your application of criticism.
Dadsy
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Re: [colsco] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
stop trying to turn every thread into a Tom hating rant, what he fuck is wrong with you
Lucid
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Re: [colsco] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Says the person who wants to regulate people doing dangerous jumps.
Hero worship? The only thing I see is people making fun of each other and fucking about for the most part. What i've seen is people defending someone for you slipping the noose around their neck. It came out when you made the accusations.
Luring inexperienced people, legend? Who fucking cares? Well obviously you, but I don't care if someone is calling themselves the pope of BASE jumping, it means shit, and if youre dumb enough to fall for it than maybe that person needs to go in to get rid of those genetics tainting the gene pool. These are personal choices you make as an adult human being, if you need someone holding your hand then by all means grasp that hand for what its worth. Don't try to put that pussy shit on me though, I'll take responsibility for my choices and will be damned if someone try's to prevent me from making them.
I criticize quite equally, you are not special. Hell I even make fun of my own insanity. I am pretty sure I am one of the most censored people on this damn forum. I think people who have seen my posts would agree my criticism is very diverse.
colsco
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Re: [Lucid] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Lucid wrote:
Says the person who wants to regulate people doing dangerous jumps.

Regulate? That's your word. I don't want to regulate shit.

I do, however, want to hold accountable people who call cops on other jumpers and call the county and make a big deal about water ski jumps, or jumping from the rail, or bags of dog food, or any other thing that falls incredibly short of lighting another man on fire and then pointing the finger at other people and saying they wanted to craft a story and outright lied to and mislead the people who help protect that object and keep it jumpable. That latter part, it includes authorities and other local jumpers.

But go ahead, question my motives and my messages . Just be prepared to accept the truth when all the other stories and fabrication and bullshit you've been fed falls apart.
epibase
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Re: [colsco] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
duuuuude
shut the fuck up already...
just delete your account or something
no one wants to hear it.
Lucid
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Re: [colsco] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Ok, I have a scenario for ya. Say I am using my poor decision making and think its a good idea to have my BASE buddy pick my ass up and toss me off the bridge. He doesnt really want to but after my persuasive badgering he agrees to it. So we do a little ground training, strap up, and walk out on the bridge. We get over the water and proceed with the jump. He is a strong mother fucker so he picks my ass up fairly easily, clean and jerk style, asks if I am ready, I say "fuck ya", 3-2-1 cya. But shit, I cant get stable, fucking flailing like an octopus with a shark up its ass, toss PC, wrap, go in, DEAD. Should my friend be charged with murder? Manslaughter? Do we need crazy-ass-friend waivers?
The answer is no, you just need to go about your own damn life and stop using a trageic accident to bring out your predjudice towards someone you dislike or is a competitor.
colsco
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Re: [Lucid] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
No. I never advocated that he be charged with murder or manslaughter. In fact, I've stated that before.

And as for teaching, I've only had one "student", a friend, and I didn't charge him a dime. Not even for my travel or own expenses to meet him up there. The statements about "competition" are just another fabrication, another attempt at misdirection.

A large part of this group whines and cries about self-regulation but applies it selectively and the moderation on this site allows it to happen as long as it's not pointed at them. I'm just pointing it out.
douchekiller
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Re: [Lucid] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
In reply to:
Should my friend be charged with murder? Manslaughter? Do we need crazy-ass-friend waivers?
The answer is no

Whether we agree or disagree as to whether your "hypothetical friend" should be charged or not, under any established US, Canadian, & UK Law, said friend can be charged with involuntary manslaughter (criminal negligence causing death in Canada) at minimum. Whether they are found guilty in a court of law is another thing. Regardless of whether you both agreed to the act or not is irrelevant under the law. IMHO, everyone is responsible for their own stupidity. If I want to be shot in the chest to see if I can survive a GSW, why should you be responsible because I am a moron. Just my $0.02.

How did this stray so far from the OP? Tongue
Lucid
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Re: [douchekiller] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
In this case an indictment would never hold weight and even if it were formally charged it would be easily dismissed. There is my consent, due caution (parachute), and circumspection (planning and risk analysis before jump). So ill definitely disagree because you are wrong.
douchekiller
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Re: [Lucid] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Unfortunately for all of us, under the law, and with much precedent supporting my argument, I am 100% correct. I do not disagree with the "spirit" of the mitigating factors you mention. However, legally, they have little weight.

Again, how did this stray so far from the OP?
Lucid
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Re: [douchekiller] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
In reply to:
How did this stray so far from the OP? Tongue

When the threads end up going nowhere they are fair game! Most of it is nonsense nobody will search for anyway. However thread drift on important topics is a problem for clogging up good info.
Lucid
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Re: [douchekiller] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Well every lawyer i know supports me so i am 110% correct :p

And my mitigating factors werent metaphysical so their spirit has nothing to do with this fancy pants!
douchekiller
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Re: [Lucid] Nevada makes BASE Jumping a Felony
Ha, Touche', man.

Just for a quick reference, Idaho's involuntary manslaughter criminal code specifies "...or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, -"or"- without due caution and circumspection;"...

That last part is the gotcha. Basically, "He said I could throw him off of a bridge" is not a defense if a "rational" human being would deem the actual act of throwing the person off of the bridge to be dangerous.

Under the rest of the code, if it was an illegal BASE Jump that he or she helped you with when you died, the fact that they helped you in an "unlawful" act (assuming it was trespassing) automatically constitutes involuntary manslaughter.

This is a super slippery slope because at what point, under this criminal code, is any one of us not culpable if we take someone on an illegal jump and that person dies. Unimpressed To your point, would you ever be charged or convicted? Who knows? But they can definitely charge you.