Basejumper.com - archive

BASE Technical

Shortcut
Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Hi all jumpers!
I've been studying and reading about BASE about a year now and since I live In Norway now I've been thinking of how to find out new exitpoints.

How do experienced jumpers opening a new exit? Do they really need a laser to find out the height and how do you do about the angle of the cliff? What height do you need to get full forward speed If you are a experienced jumper?

I've been studying a lot of new exits where I live since the whole landscape seems as a dreamland for base jumpers but always been questioning myself how you find out new perfect exits.

The snow opened a new way of thinking for me. Since I've not been able to know the degree of the exits I've around my house and where I work I came up with the idea that the snow can show a lot of the degree of the cliff. If there is no snow under the exit point It should be no problem to exit right? The place where Its snow should show where It's risk for impact.

How do experienced jumpers scouting for exits and counting and heights and such? I always try to compare with the trees on the top and then calculating the height. But Is there no GPS images and such where you can look at height differences?

Jump new exits seem to me the most exciting part of the sport to me. New exits = New possibilities for new lines for wingsuit pilots and base jumpers.

What factors can you look on when you are scouting for new exits beside hike up and check It out? I got like 5 different cliffs where I live where I'm 70% sure that you could exits and hit sick new lines on. But I want to be sure to be able to look further for new exits for experienced jumpers to acually exit from In the future.

Please share your experience! Sorry for bad English! :)
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
AntoniSq wrote:
I got like 5 different cliffs where I live where I'm 70% sure that you could exits and hit sick new lines on.

Do you have an estranged American brother by chance?

http://www.basejumper.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;
Shortcut
Re: [bluhdow] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Hehe, maby one day you are jumping one of the exits I'm talking about Sly I just find this intresting since I dont want to jump BASE yet before I gaining experience In all ways I can. Money is not really stoping me. It's other jumpers that make me dont want to do bad decisions. I want to stay alive with good odds In the sport :)

I will go to America in one week though. Hope you can visit Norway sometime, Its awesome!
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
https://www.youtube.com/...;v=IOaRwYdqwIQ#t=112
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
what the fuck is happening this week?

ive never opened my own exit. ive come close, and put some time in the mountains, but it never worked out to be quite jumpable.

how i did this, was under the direction and gudance of an experienced BASE jumper who had plenty of experience opening stuff.

but if you insist on going out there alone, heres pretty much everything you need:

WARM clothes (obviously)
food, water, etc.
snow shoes if around dangerous areas with crampons
a carpenters square with increments of 12
a laser range finder that can shoot distances of 2000 meters+
gaffers or electrical tape
an inclinometer
wind anemometer
tape measure, metric
a bag of flour (preferably pastry or wheat flour)
ukulele
variable 3 speed hand blender
graphing paper to calculate vectors
snorkeling mask
pythagorean theorum (a^2+b^2=c^2)
digital GPS device
rock climbing safety equipment with several ropes

when you get up there, approach the cliff cautiously. if you can set up an anchor point and hang over the edge of the exit safely, all the better.

throw all the above items off the cliff, listening carefully. when you hear the noise of impact, you can judge the angle of the cliff by counting the number of seconds till the noise. use the pythagorean theorum.

if its at least 4 seconds till you hear everything impact, its a good sized cliff, and you should be good to go.

good luck!
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Where do you live?
Shortcut
Re: [stayx] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
In the Stavanger fjords! :)

you?
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
There are exit point everywhere there so that place doesn't count.
You will probably loose your mind asking yourself "could i jump that?" in that place if you don't have any experience. The answer is probably either "yes" or "yes, but".

If you would have lived anywhere else it would have been interesting to know.
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
AntoniSq wrote:
In the Stavanger fjords! :)

you?

The Stavanger Fjords, home to one of the busiest BASE locations in the world?

I kinda doubt that anything you can see there that looks obviously jumpable hasn't been jumped already. And if they haven't, there's probably a good reason why notTongue
Shortcut
Re: [jakee] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
There isnt any good base jumpers where he lives... he might just have to go it alone....
Shortcut
Re: [TransientCW] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
In reply to:
throw all the above items off the cliff, listening carefully. when you hear the noise of impact, you can judge the angle of the cliff by counting the number of seconds till the noise. use the pythagorean theorum.

if its at least 4 seconds till you hear everything impact, its a good sized cliff, and you should be good to go.

good luck!

There is a reason why I moved to Norway more than just looking at cliffs?

Jokers =)

Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
http://basejumpingspots.com/...se-at-kjerag-norway/

You may find the help you need here towards the end of May
Shortcut
Re: [Dunny] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
No he will not. More like here http://skydivevalle.no/

All thought he has been studying BASE theory for a year Tongue we do require a reasonable amount of practice. Not much, just 250 skydives!

See you then!
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Oh god, I cant stand some people in this forum.
Shortcut
Re: [Fronius] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
If you had put some study in you would have discovered he has 300+ skydives and i already offered to help.

So up yours Smile
Shortcut
Re: [Dunny] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Indeed you right, 300+ skydives makes his 70% certainty for sick lines much more legit Tongue

Now, if your helping him means you'll be here jumping those sick lines, it's great man, it really is, all the best, bring your gopro. However if your helping involves a free skype lesson to evaluate his objects followed by a packing guidance, I'm sure you know where it is heading...

Don't take it too personal, but I call bullshit on this one! Smile
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Hello,

Personally, I use a laser range finder to measure the vertical or near vertical section of the cliff, and use a map to measure the talus and remainder of the flight. The Forestry pro from Nikon is my preferred range finder because it has a hypsometer, so I don't need to do the calculations, and it is accurate over 200m (distances that interests me the most). For the Alps I use http://www.geoportail.gouv.fr/ and http://www.geo.admin.ch/internet/geoportal/en/home.html which both have tools for measuring elevation profiles (for measuring the talus).
I think it is never too early to start studying this and correctly evaluating your exit points. In general I think rating ws exit points in units of "rock drop" is mostly inaccurate, too varied and for technical exits it should only be used in conjunction with the map and range finder.

Also, as a beginner who knows how to accurately measure your exits, you will be able to measure your developing start performance and build reference for what is possible for you. Who cares if someone has jumped it before? If you don’t know and you assess the site for yourself your experience is unchanged, and ego points are all that suffer.
Shortcut
Re: [AntoniSq] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Progression. Start with a slider down static line jump and then work your way down.
Shortcut
Re: [gauleyguide] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
gauleyguide wrote:
Progression. Start with a slider down static line jump and then work your way down.

That's may not be the best way to go if he's talking about "sick lines" for wing suit flight.
Shortcut
Re: [TomAiello] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
TomAiello wrote:
gauleyguide wrote:
Progression. Start with a slider down static line jump and then work your way down.

That's may not be the best way to go if he's talking about "sick lines" for wing suit flight.

You've never done a wing suit static line? I'm starting to question how much experience you really have. Perhaps you can contact the guy to took one off the bridge to improve your sub-terminal tracking curriculum.
Shortcut
Re: [Lau] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
anyone know where best place is to get a decent range finder for cheap... see cheap ones on ebay but i dunno if they would be any good
Shortcut
Re: [TomAiello] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
TomAiello wrote:
gauleyguide wrote:
Progression. Start with a slider down static line jump and then work your way down.

That's may not be the best way to go if he's talking about "sick lines" for wing suit flight.

When does the Finnish big wall season open?Wink
Shortcut
Re: [Skez] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Get a Nikon. They are reliable. I have an old model and test it regularly against a brand new model and it is spot on.
Shortcut
Re: [jakee] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
jakee wrote:
TomAiello wrote:
gauleyguide wrote:
Progression. Start with a slider down static line jump and then work your way down.

That's may not be the best way to go if he's talking about "sick lines" for wing suit flight.

When does the Finnish big wall season open? Wink

It already opened couple of weeks ago! :D
Shortcut
Re: [Skez] Open new spots, techniques for spotting
Skez wrote:
anyone know where best place is to get a decent range finder for cheap... see cheap ones on ebay but i dunno if they would be any good

I've had a YardagePro 800 by Bushnell since I started BASE. The original one crapped out after 16years so I sold it for $50 on ebay, then I promptly bought the same model used one off Ebay for $80. It's been working great for1.5 years. I like the yardagePro 800 since it has a backlit display. There are other nice ones out there that are smaller though.