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Hey out there,
is/was anyone able to compare the different "new" Tracking Suits?

For Example, Squirell, PTS, Raven or the one piece suits?

thx

I have the original PF Tracking suit, and jumped the tube 3 and Redline Aerosports tracking suit. Cannot make a valid comparison though as I'm not a great tracker

I can only give you some insight on the ones I have tried.

PF is great. I really enjoyed flying it and it was my first TS. Had some great power and didn't twitch all that much but I did feel it was a little wishy washy. Don't know how else to describe the feeling. Still a great option.

Redline Aerosports. I've seen it in person a few times and get to try it a handful. I really really like the way the pants are air locked and really enjoyed the almost arm wing surface. The power range is also really nice with these. I did find the thumb/arm orientation a little weird at first but after a few minutes of wearing it I was comfortable with it. Build quality is amazing as well. The best part I found was NO TOE STRAPS!! You just put them on and go. So when its 100 degrees and 80% humidity you can push them up above your knees and cool off. If I had not bought my SUMO I would have gone this route.

SUMO. This was my favorite and the one I purchased. The build quality was amazing and the fit perfect out of the box. The leg no wobble system is by far my favorite option and really has the suit feeling solid in the air. The power range is amazing and has no problem keeping up with any other suit. Really by far my favorite out of the 3 and what I had chosen. Feel free to PM any questions

I Flew only regular PF tracking suit and got sustained GR about 1.3-1.4. And don't know a lot about another models, but found track for masai with sustained 1.8 GR here: https://skyderby.ru/en/tracks/347
(imperial units available under settings button)
Don't know about weather condition.

Did you jump in a hurricane?

Mate please follow progression learn to fly smaller suits 1st.

PTS is not called Power Track Suit for nothing.

Tube 1,2,3,4 get bigger each model.

1piece suits are much more performance again.

DO NOT JUMP A 1 PIECE SUIT FROM A MOUNTAIN
without multiple skydives. https://vimeo.com/111248810

Tracking is all technique. Track suit do not fly itself. Do not think you can cut corners.

This is filmed wearing original PF vs PTS, Tube 3 etc
https://vimeo.com/94977081

https://skyderby.ru/...411?f=4300&t=806

https://skyderby.ru/...405?f=4400&t=950

https://vimeo.com/105377462

What is the opinion of people on the Sumo as a first TS?

Definitely more volume than a regular PF TS but is it stupid?

Read again the previous message.
It s like starting skydive with a 109 canopy or wingsuit with an Aura. No problem at all, Darwin is looking at you

I bought a SUMO as my first tracking suit and I am able to fly it. I haven't base jumped it as I have only had it 3 weeks, but I have skydived it and had no problems.

It isn't mine track. I took a look on Masai and I think it's possible because of big surface.

I´ve said it multiple times before but it is not only a question regarding the volume and therefore the question regarding tracking suits (although has similarities) is not directly comparable to wingsuits. I have never flown the Sumo but I have been working with Robi quite extensively on the PTS project and have flown all of the suits in his line up. Keeping that in mind, ask yourself, what do you want the suit for? I´m assuming you intend to BASE jump as this is base forum. Do you want the suit for some occasional trips to the valley or do you have access to a nice SU tracking object which you can jump regularly? Do you want to also do aerials, big ways, linked exits and other goofy stuff with the suit?

If your answer is "yes" to the second question, I would highly recommend the "normal" TS from PF line up over the PTS. The PTS is directed to serious big wall tracking only, not for aerials etc and due to the larger volume, it can cause more issues on off axis rotations. Also if you are more "casual" type of SU jumper and cannot keep current with your TS, probably it is better to jump with a smaller TS unless you are planning to skydive it excessively to keep current.

Hope this helps,
Markus

Yes you can start with a big if you want but it s not the safest way and the best to improve your skill. I saw so much people this summer with Sumo, Tube4 or Cruise tracking so badly. At least with a small one you have an excuse... ;)

Dont waste your time with a stupid tracking suit. Just stop being a pussy and get a wingsuit. Holy shit, news flash, this just came in, BASE jumping is dangerous!!! Judging by the fact you need to ask a stupid question about what tracking suit you should get shows you should not be BASE jumping. Obviously you just pick the one that looks the coolest like all other BASE gear, seriously its not that complicated. Jesus, do you need help figuring out your underwear size too? Make sure you get them custom made to size down the crotchal region to adjust for your lack of balls!

Shit, you're on to me!

What's wrong with these? Seems to me to be all about how YOU fly them. My PF is fucking sic, can't wait to take it of some walls. The DZSO is always threatening about a yearly ban if I land off. You can get some wicked distances with these once you find the angle!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=am22-pZLimY

Or this... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAzAELQd8M

I've flown the PTS, Intrudair Ultimate, and Sumo. I have yet to BASE any of them. But from my Sky experience:

Ease of flight:
#1: Sumo
#2: PTS
#3: Intrudair Ultimate

The PTS was my first. Took me about 5 jumps to figure out how to fly it. I could hold averages of 63mph while flying flat.
I sold it after 10 jumps because I got really poor and needed money and no one wanted hand jobs.

Then I bought an Intrudair Ultimate because it was my colors and everyone knows how you look is more important then anything! ;p
I still can't tame this fuckin thing. For the first like 15-20 seconds of the skydive I'm just flopping around. Then when I finally get it going straight, it hauls fuckin ass and flies really nice. It's just the beginning I struggle with. *head-scratch*

Then my friend let me try his Sumo. I'm now selling my Ultimate so I can buy one of these. lol
The suit was really easy to fly and had it down the first jump with no loss of control at any point. The second jump was even better when I tried the "No-Wobble" system which is an absolute dream. Makes the suit feel very solid, like it's part of you.
Flying flat, I was in the 57-63mph vertical range. Traveling 2 miles across the ground EASILY.
I layed it on top of the Ultimate and was surprised to see it's actually quite a bit wider then the Ultimate.
Not sure why we haven't seen any real badass tracking videos with this suit yet. The Sumo is a more then capable tool...Guess the hardcore guys just like their PF's too much :P


So what can we learn from this?
Get a Sumo or standard PF tracking suit. After jumping these 3 big suits I think I'm going to try and get a standard myself to start BASEing with. I just don't feel comfortable quite yet taking any of these suits off of anything. Especially the Intrudair Ultimate.

Jumping slick is jumping in control. And jumping in control is way more enjoyable then the alternative! lol
Have fun, stay safe.

I know a guy who fly way better his intrudair regular vs the Ultimate (and way better than lot of people in Sumo/ Cruise/ Tube4 etc)
So even if some suits are "better" than other you have to find the one wich work for you.

Get an original.

I own/owned a:
Sumo, masai, 2*PTS, tube3, original

Sumo: Tracksuit made by wingsuiters
Masai: Wingsuit masquerading as tracksuit
PTS: People can't find an angle...lets just overdo the legs and do it for em
tube3: Good luck buddy
original: slick shit baby, better learn to track

tube 3 : good luck buddy

thats the understatement of the year! that thing would have fucking killed me in the base environment had i used it.

sumo ive jumped twice once terminal base and once on a 1000 foot rock drop. its so forgiving that even when flown flta/inefficiently, its still stable as fuck.

+ 1

How does a tracksuit being made by wingsuiters fly differently those other tracksuits that are made by wingsuiters?

Once you get the hang of them, which has the best performance?

And a follow up question, is any of them into the performance range of the Prodigy?

The Masai is the highest performing suit I have yet jumped.

hard to say tom...but my gut says yes.

The Cruise can fly nicely too, if you re a good free flyer (seems to be the only one who manage to handle it).
Some frenchies fly with homemade one piece Tracking suit which fly quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l5pvj6ZUWw
And Phoenix Fly is testing a one piece atm

http://vimeo.com/106173753

you knee flying motherfucker...Thats why you could give a fuck less about the toe tensioners.

Having taken the tube 3 on one base trip to LB I can only agree to that statement.. After 30 tracking jumps from cliffs my thought was.. this is dangerous! I almost flew myself into a cliff once after dipping the shoulder too much. But on all the other jumps it just felt great.. like having rocket boosters on your legs litterally. So my conclusion was to just not fly close to stuff in it. Its just too much on the edge of unstable at least for me.. maybe its just about getting really used to the suit.. I dont know.. So I sold it again but am now considering to buy a used one again. Anyone have a used tube 3 for sale?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ObtJ7f5fM many of you have probably seen my trip video already..

Does anyone know if the Tube 4's "volume reduction system" makes it a reasonable suit for beginners?

Does anyone know if the Ferrari's "traction control system" makes it a reasonable car for beginners?

This is BASEJUMPER.com right?

All of these high performance tracking suits mentioned are unsuitable for beginner on basejumper.coM

We dont allow ourselves to be bigginners by skydiving the shit out of our wallets first.

If you step off a mountain in any tracking suit, you would be best advised to skydive the shit out of that thing 1st. (barrel rolls, floops, bloops, spins + full speed etc) 20 jumps? (whats your life worth?)

PF original with correct technique can fly 1:1.3 (no problem for some)

Tom A we will see some 1:2 g/l with Masai this year WTF2015
https://www.facebook.com/...663041128/?ref=br_tf

Learn to drive in a go cart like Schumacher.

Seek good advice

Stalling the the masai, doesn't mean the suits' dangerous

Can you be a little more specific? I dont understand your point. Your statement is very broad. It sounds like something from a skyjump bar.

Stalling any tracking suit is usually directly followed by opening your parachute as stalling is not the objective of the track suit.

I have not mentioned the word dangerous in this thread nor has anyone else (i could be wrong, it happens).

The danger in stalling any tracking suit is directly relative to your altitude above the ground and the direction you are travelling during opening.

The OP is asking advice on suit selection for beginner. For BASE jumping.

Learn to fly your shit out of an airplane till its second nature. Base jumping turns into skydiving quick on terminal jumps. Learning to FF doesn't hurt either if you can afford it.

thats what ive heard from a few friends that have them is that it really helped with the instability. the sumo is rediculously easy to fly as well. as stated above, fly the shit out of it for a while in the sky, and most of all
have fun, dont die

Anybody else watch that wondering when the PC was going to self deploy?

Nice track though!

My mum tracks better then this guy

No.

Learning to fly your suit in the sky helps with stability once flying and that's about it. Learning how to fly it subterminal and toy with angles of attack and stall point is usually learned in close proximity to the ground. 95% of my tracking jumps are about as far from a skydive as a bungee jump is from a BASE jump. Starting out on a Tube3/Masai definitely wouldn't be advisable, regardless of how many sky jumps you had.

So much truth to this. I have a couple dozen wing suit jumps, and fly them about as well as can be expected. Then I put a jump on a PTS. Everything went fairly well for a first jump, until pull time. That's when things got interesting.

I will be skydiving that thing from now until Norway.

nothing cooler than being able to track the shit out if an old pf flying your body, an old scruffy pf very often indicates true skills just like in skydiving where the shittier older helmet usually indicates a someone who got skills and dont care about the look. substance and skills over flash and gopros will also keep us all safer.....

WTF2015 we will be collecting GPS data from many exits in Romsdalen, Norway. All tracking suits welcome. Data is uploaded to https://skyderby.ru/en Thanks Alex. Competition will be structured at Time/Distance.
eg. Gridset is 20 race. Best distance in 20 sec.
All trackers visiting Romsdalen this year simply upload your Flysight data to https://skyderby.ru/en to be involved. No rules. Fastest motherfuckr in the walley wins

All trackers not making it all the way here. Stay updated with new data from new suits and old suits at https://skyderby.ru/en/tracks

https://www.facebook.com/...ps/1505511663041128/

yeah mate ive been watching the site and your fb posts some nice numbers being put up ;)

WTF2015 Romsdalen Norway.

All tracking suits welcome.

https://skyderby.ru/...rtual_competitions/1

The tube 4 was my first suit, did 20 jumps on it before I tried open zips. I found the suit easier to fly and more stable in the bigger setting. Saying that, that's probably due to getting the hang of it on smaller volume. My first 2 jumps in it were chaos

Thanks Dunny
Gridset is pretty with a bit of snow in the area

With time and training in 2 piece suit we have much speed to receive. For best performance stay with what you know and dial it in. Tracking anywhere near prox should only ever be attempted in the gear YOU are MOST comfortable in.. I feel for me 2 piece suit with PF pants and VKB style gortex jacket gives me the best possible control. High speed is the only time i feel i am giving myself safer margins and i like to do this in gear that i feel is always stable and predictable. If i want to fly 2:1 i wear 1 of my dusty WS. https://skyderby.ru/...rtual_competitions/8 Make your jumps as easy as possible to get best performance as possible. Dont rely on a fancy tracking suit to fly for you. If you need more distance with your tracking please consider WS. (how do you think Jeb lived so long?)
Some of my boys was jumpin 100m on skis b4 they was 16. Our technique is solid so we use the suit we prefer for our best, stability, performance, reliabilty.
I am getting old and i like shit be fast and easy.
Stay tuned if you are serious about tracking for more than 3 seasons. https://www.facebook.com/...eadquarters/?fref=ts

PLease be tracking using your technique not the suit. AND if you are considering a 1 piece suit to make youself feel more comfortable with your new adventure then PLEASE just ignore all recomendations and go small WS (its easier to fly small ws than 1 piece TS...there i have said it)

Base#265

I know this ? was intended as tongue-in-cheek, but,
In my limited experience with my F360, I'd say no.
Modern F car traction control systems 2011+, or as we call them Please Save Me systems, certainly reduce the chance of impact when a dumbsh1t makes a poor dynamic choice.

Cheers

Craig


Reducing the chance of a high-speed impact.
That is the key issue..............

I've since bought a standard phoenix fly tracking suit, but FYI the pressurized people advertise their volume reducing system as appropriate for beginners. From their website:

"The Tube4 basically combines two suits in one. A unique "Volume-Reduction-System" is incorporated, allowing the pilot two volume options for the pants. While the reduced volume is meant to be the beginner/arial mode, the second option will release the entire pants volume for most effective tracking and forward boost."

Ok fair enough.

But in real life several people i know and have discussed with have all said zips open is easier to fly relative to zips closed.
These guys are very experienced with other suits and it still took them a few jumps to dial in the technique.

I am not implying that it is not possible for people learning to track could not use them. I am saying they are very high performance equipment with a lot of power so i believe they are not the ideal choice for someone learning to track.