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Your Freedom
I hope you all went out and voted today. No pressure, It's only the future of your country, your economy, and your freedom on the line.

Hint, some of your polls are still open.

Lee
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
RiggerLee wrote:
the future
I disagree. The future defines the past in an election. Meaning that peoples choices now will explain actions during the previous election, no more.
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
Are you a die-hard republican i take it?
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Re: [BASE1817] Your Freedom
I'm some what mixed in my views. I guess I'm actually closest to being a libertarian but I'm practical enough that I voted a straight republican ticket and then added votes for libertarian candidates in races where there was no republican running.

I'm basically a believer in small government, I'm fiscally conservative, and believe in the constitution. The republican party is basically the conservative party in this country but some how over the years it's become associated with these fundamentalist Christian groups. The libertarian or the Tea party are just too small to seriously challenge the Democratic party which is basically the communist party here in the US.

And we WON! HAPPY DANCE! HAPPY DANCE!

Maybe this will break the grid lock in our country between what was a conservative house on one side and a liberal senate and communist president that would be king on the other.

Lee
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
It is frightening that a seemingly adult and educated person does not properly know the definition of communism, yet, throws it around so freely.

I wish you and your folks good luck for what's coming.
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
RiggerLee wrote:
I hope you all went out and voted today. No pressure, It's only the future of your country, your economy, and your freedom on the line.

Hint, some of your polls are still open.

Lee

Why is it that you think your vote counts and it will have any effect on the future of the country, the economy and freedom?
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Re: [base570] Your Freedom
Based on the results of the election, I'd say proof positive that voting works.

Do to the electoral system it can be argued that some of your votes don't really count in a presidential election. It's a weird and I'd say flawed system. But that's not really what we are talking about here. Congressional and state elections are different. It's a smaller pool. And in some ways I'd argue that the outcomes are actually more important. This shift in power in the congress is not trivial. It has the potential to provide real change in the direction of this country. But even more important then that is some of the elections within the state governments. The individual states are going to be the battle ground for many of the major issues over the next few years or decades. We've been able to block the left on many fronts at the national level. The attacks have switched to the state level and there have been some concerted well financed efforts by extremely wealthy left wing liberals to dominate the state legislatures.

In particular I'm pleased with the results of some of the gubernatorial races. It gives a significant advantage to which ever republican candidate runs in 2016.

So in short, yes, in certain circumstances your vote can count. In particular within your own state where the biggest challenges to your freedom will be taking place.

Communism. If you're from Switzerland then you may not be up to speed on some of the things happening in this country. For some time now we've been sliding towards socialism. It's becoming a welfare state controlled by entitlements. Greater and greater control is being centered in the government. The democrats/leftist/liberals/progressives I prefer the term communist want to see the government control all facets of our economy. They want to control al aspects of our lives by making us dependent on them for all things. They are systematically seeking to strip us of all freedoms and remove all means of dissention. And they are arming. There are signs of militarization in all police forces. You've been next door to this shit for going on a hundred years. If you were here I think you'd be nervous.

Lee
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
You're delusional. Seek help.
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
Who is John Galt?
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Re: [gorillaparks] Your Freedom
Hay, no fair making fun of our profit or our religious text!

Lee
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
Prophet*

No teasing here! I've read all her stuff and was unnerved by how applicable it seemed to recent trends.
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Re: [gorillaparks] Your Freedom
Spell checker had a Freudian slip.

Lee
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
"The communist party"

Hahahahahah. You have watched too much hollywood
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Your Freedom
If you look at the 10 planks in the Communist Manifesto and compare it to the US you'll see that the US is a lot closer to communism than most want to believe.... and it's not just because of the Democrats or the Republicans, they both contribute.

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

Unfortunately, people get all worked up over political parties and fail to see what's actually going on in the country. Shit, most people don't know the difference between a Republican and a Democratic form of government and even if I define it for you, most still can't see the difference.... Fuck this democracy I want the Republic back!

A republic is a form of government in which power resides in the people, and the government is ruled by elected leaders run according to law (from Latin: res publica), rather than inherited or appointed (such as through inheritance or divine mandate).

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens are meant to participate equally – either directly or, through elected representatives, indirectly – in the proposal, development and establishment of the laws by which their society is run.
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
I'd say about 95.3% of the time when I hear people condemning political systems, other political parties, economic systems, etc. They have no knowledge as to what they are condemning.

Communism doesn't have a government. Communism from the definition of Marx and Engles is a system in which the people own the means of production aka the laborers. There is no government in communism and it is, of course, a utopian ideology.

Socialism is not as clearly defined, but is more accurate to what you are talking about when you state governments owning property/capital. This has benefits and drawbacks like anything does. Now it would be appropriate to discuss those specifically rather than label the whole system as good or bad without supportive evidence.

The way that you are condemning things and the president is not from a list of facts. This is where the majority of the American population can not coherently understand politics. You're making a huge list of assumptions and using way too many pronouns. Pronouns such as "they" do not give a political debate any credence. Who are "they", who is "entitled", what are our "freedoms".

Stop using scare tactics like the media does in making blanket statements to spread fear and misinformation to people. "They want to control all aspects of our lives" is just as damaging to the daily freedoms of people as those "dem liberals" who are trying to give everyone welfare and perpetually raise the minimum wage.

Until we, as Americans, learn how to think rationally about the issues that face us, we will forever be naive to what's really going on in our political atmosphere.
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Re: [Mitchpee] Your Freedom
Your last paragraph says it all. Our government only works if the voting population is educated on the issues/candidates. Yet most of what I hear at starbacks during election season is parroting and/or misinformation.

The ignorant and/or corrupt majority will ultimately destroy our country.
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Re: [RiggerLee] Your Freedom
I think about voting in much the same way that I think about global warming. If it gets bad enough that everyone hates it and is miserable, then and only then will people actually care enough to act on it.

Not voting might lead this country to disaster, but perhaps disaster is what we truly need to learn the importance of balanced politics.

I admit that this is a dreadful, bleak way of looking at the American democracy, but I think looking for progress in a ballot box is wishful thinking. The people will never vote for a libertarian, or socialist, or anything else for that matter. Had we elected someone like Sarah Palin, perhaps we could have started a nuclear war with Russia and had a new beginning. For now we will drudge onward. Politics is dead.

P.S. I don't know if I actually believe all of that stuff, it was just a perspective I was thinking about recently and thought I'd share.
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Re: [Mitchpee] Your Freedom
Mitchpee wrote:
Until we, as Americans, learn how to think rationally about the issues that face us, we will forever be naive to what's really going on in our political atmosphere.

Great point, and can actually be said for anyone anywhere in the world. It seems to me though that the vast majority of America is happy being naive.