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xnewmanx
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How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
Hypothetically, of course, lets say you have a farmer's field and arranged in a neat row are 10 or more very similar objects.

Would you count these individually?
Would you count only one?

I'm only curious as this came up tonight after a jump. Personally I'd only count one of them, unless for some reason one of them FEELS different than the other.

Generally my rule is if the Jump is the same direction and the LZ is the same place, then I consider it the same object. Crown/groove/tombstone? All the same object. Kjerag 5/6/7, same deal.

In the end, I know, it doesn't matter.

What's your take on it?
StealthyB
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
xnewmanx wrote:
Hypothetically, of course, lets say you have a farmer's field and arranged in a neat row are 10 or more very similar objects.

Would you count these individually?
Would you count only one?

I'm only curious as this came up tonight after a jump. Personally I'd only count one of them, unless for some reason one of them FEELS different than the other.

Generally my rule is if the Jump is the same direction and the LZ is the same place, then I consider it the same object. Crown/groove/tombstone? All the same object. Kjerag 5/6/7, same deal.

In the end, I know, it doesn't matter.

What's your take on it?

Tombstone has two separate distinct exit pts, the Crown and the Groove require very different routes to access and also have distinct different advantages regarding shelter from winds among other things, the same distinctions could be made for the different exit pts at Kjerag. Now, let's say you had 10 wind turbines all lined up in the same farmer's field, you could probably make some subtle distinctions about each individual Turbine, for example, ease of access, or proximity to the prevailing wind.
I would see them as separate objects.
Regards, b.
samadhi
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
how could the argument possibly be made that they are not distinct objects?

I personally do not log so its a nonissue.
champu
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
xnewmanx wrote:
Generally my rule is if the Jump is the same direction and the LZ is the same place, then I consider it the same object.

So are all As three objects?
TomAiello
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
I log "object" and "exit point" separately.

Kjerag counts as 2 objects (Kjerag and Smellveggen), each with several exit points (classically, 1,2 and 3 are at Smell and 4, 5, 6 and 7 are at Kjerag).


Newman, do you count 1, 2 and 3 as being part of the same object as 4, 5, 6 and 7?
xnewmanx
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Re: [TomAiello] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
1,2 and 3 are a different object to me than 5,6,7. The jump had a much different feel and the LZ is totally different.

I also log object and exit separately. Exit is a sub category of object. In my logbook I have Kjerag 5,6,7 listed as something like object 81a, 81b and 81c. Tombstone, the gooch and crown are something like 51a, 51b, 51c.

Right now I only jumped 3 (I think) so if I jump another one I would go back and change 80 to 80a and 80b.
icarusfx99
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
Only going down the line and empirically evaluating each object/exit point will allow a fair assessment. Wink
epibase
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
there's a 'field' in Tx with several large sticks. because of the prevailing wind, they are mostly all oriented with guys in the same direction. they aren't close enough to have intersecting guys, but the LZ's are all the same (big field), and the exit points feel exactly the same (hard metal). access is generally the same (climb over fence, climb up ladder). there are no other distinguishable characteristics between them other than color of lights , ownership, and coordinates. how does this fall in your schema, mr. newman?
xnewmanx
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Re: [epibase] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
Unless they're all broadcasting the exact same thing I'd probably call them different objects.

I can't explain myself.
champu
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
xnewmanx wrote:
I can't explain myself.

EXPLAIN YOURSELF AT ONCE!

Or not, it doesn't matter in the least.
skow
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Re: [xnewmanx] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
xnewmanx wrote:
Jump is the same direction and the LZ is the same place, then I consider it the same object.

How about jumping an A in two different directions and two different LZ requiring two different approaches? E.g. in urban scenario, one landing zone would be in some park and other one could be much closer/further e.g. on a street.
xnewmanx
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Re: [skow] How would you count very similar objects in a similar location?
Right. But that's physically the same object. Only count it once.

I also (personally) wouldn't count a northbound and southbound span as two different objects, even if the exit direction is different and nothing connects them.