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Anyone have any more info on this incident, hopefully they heal ok.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/...-base-jump-accident/

http://magicvalley.com/...d4-0019bb2963f4.html

stay safe guys.

I have heard it was a canopy wrap ...Heal fast Guys..

Man...terrible week for BASE in the US.

NYC, Moab, Zion, Perrine.

its a conspiracy..the governments trying to shut down base jumping

Its public pretty much knowledge now and the news story has been updated with details about the waterfall gone wrong jump from the bridge yesterday.. A full picture sequence of the jump is in this link

http://magicvalley.com/...-001a4bcf887a.html#0

Both jumpers were conscious when the 1st people on the scene got to them within 30 secs of impact. They were still tangled in their canopies and on top of each other. Their fall could well have been helped by the soft undergrowth which they landed on just a few meters from the river. Everyone was surprised that they were not in a far worse state than what was seen. If there is anything I personally want to take away from this incident its that i will certainly be taking an advanced 1st aid course in the near future. I was alarmed that amongst the 12 or so people on the scene no one including me had any real usable fist aid skills apart from knowing not to move the patients and keep them as comfortable as possible and keep them talking. I'm hopeful that the guys will be on a speedy path to recovery. Good luck and I wish you well.

WTF! The pictures stop just when they were getting good.

One winter I took a wilderness first responder course in Moab. It was actually really fascinating. I did learn a lot but most of all in that 50 hours of instruction I learned how little I knew. I would recommend it as a bare minimum to any one.

Lee

Man the high man is upside down before he even cleared the deck of the bridge. Did he just slip on exit or what?

 

In complete agreement. I happen to be a licensed EMT-B and I have put the skills learned to use quite a few times at my local dropzone. I also try to know who else has some type of pre-hospital medical training, as they are quite an asset to have during incidents.

I also keep a bare minimum amount of life saving essentials in my truck, and when jumping with others at various objects I will inform them of where they are in my truck and ask if they know how to use them. Basic run down is: 2-3 packs of quick clot, isreali bandage or two, SAM splint, some kerlex, nitrile gloves, gauze, compression bandage, and a tourniquet.
Kit could use some other stuff, thinking of adding a BVM and nasopharengeals, but basic gist is life saving essentials! I want to know I can both help and be helped if needed, especially in remote locations.

Just as a throwout. Up in Washington we carry these little babies around with us on every jump. Drop down medic leg pouches which have everything you need to keep you alive minus if you have a severe spinal injury of course. holds everything you need including two tourniquets with sharpie, quik clot rated for the femoral artery, medical scissors, knife, Israeli bandage, gauze, and super glue. Even with all this stuff, the pack is very slim and with over 100 jumps made with it, I do not notice any free fall instability. I have helped more and more people get these setups and am starting to see them around Canada as well as surrounding areas of the us. If you want any more details let me know, Id be more than happy to send you the exact list of everything in there. This way you can keep yourself and your buddies alive without the EMT training. Dont substitute this for training as the more you know the better, But you can use this kit with very mild training.

Read in report . Standing on top the rail with the other guy attempting to stand on his shoulders for an exit 2-way ? .
Does not sound like they are taking BASE jumping seriously enough on the easiest non-technical BASE object in North America ?
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Without good training you might as well carry a pocket full of bandages. First aid kits don't do shit if you can't recognize symptoms of shock, concussion, respiratory function, cardiac arrest, or properly stop bleeding. Not saying you can't, but a fancy first aid kit is a huge false security. and you've been around long enough to know that.

Off topic side note about your kit:
In the military, only medics and corpsman carry a first aid kit to work on someone else.

you feeling ok? you haven't been even slightly funny lately

Granted I haven't attended to any BASE accidents and hope never to do so but why a nasopharyngeal rather than oro-pharyngeal. I imagine a lot of injuries involving respiratory compromise would be in those having sustained head injuries in BASE. The risk of inserting a nasopharyngeal through a basal skull fracture would put me off a little.

yeah enough about first aid, there are plenty of threads about that already, what happened here?
was the bottom guy standing on the rail? was this a waterfall? did both canopies get deployed or did they impact with just a nylon blanket?

Good thing were not in the military...And in a perfect world, everyone would have one, and the kit would be for the person wearing it.

He was standing on a plank, not the rail.

The top guy stood on the rail and then transferred himself to the bottom guys shoulders from there.

The top guy had both PC's.

Did these guys practice this circus act on the ground?

Does it have to take an accident for us to realize a bad idea?

Every soldier in the U.S military carry a small first aid pouch attached to their kit with tourniquets, bandages, quick-clot etc. Not just the Combat Medic, this guys carry a much larger bag with much more than just single soldier first aid kit. And you are correct !! The first aid kit its for the person wearing it.

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That sounds like quite the Circus Act . though Not to be confused with the Zoo jump .
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Orals have a tendency to activate the gag reflex, even in quite a few unconscious patients. Don't want to add aspiration to the list of things already going on.

I think something like this has happened every time I've been to the Perrine and I've been amazed no one has officially gone in from those shenanigans.

My last time there I saw friends of one of the two involved in this incident almost go in from a non-practiced multiway. There was a slight entanglement and line burn on that one.

We have all done Stupid Shit and got away with it . Only thing is they Fuckedup there attempt at stupid shit .
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Yes.

However, most people will realize that something is a bad idea, but there are a few that think they'll be ok.

I don't know these two guys, I don't know what kind of jumpers they are, but when a jumper that I know, or don't know, gets hurt because of one of those freak things, I can't help but to feel their pain or loss and try to learn from what happened.

It's easy to say these guys are clowns and the circus act nearly killed them. And it might be true. I'm not saying yes or no because I don't know them. Realizing something is a bad idea is one thing. Deciding not to jump because something is a bad idea shows respect to the folks that have gotten hurt just because shit happens, the lessons taught, and to the sport itself.

Of course not. It obviously takes an accident to re-enforce the consequences of bad ideas though.

Nope... Not all of us do stupid shit! Some of us are level headed and don't need to increase the risk for some giggles for your gopro.

Oh all right then!
Most of us have done stupid shit and got away with it. Only thing is they fucked up their attempt at stupid shit.

So, if you haven't done stupid shit, you are just a lurker and don't really BASE jump? Because jumping by itself really is stupid shit. Fun, but stupid.

What was their experience level???

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I really agree with 'icarusfx99' . That you really have BASE jumped very little to not to Not have done stupid shit to then look back-on and be pleased with yourself that you got away with it .
Also I never wore a GoPro on a BASE jump, but that is because i am scared somehow that it would talk me into doing stupid shit that I would not be able to get away with .
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I'm just glad they're alive. It looked just like a streamer and I thought for sure they were dead or incredibly broken. The top jumper fell through the bottom jumper's fully open canopy (possibly extracted via bottom jumper's bridle entangling on top jumper's leg). I think the top jumper's canopy kinda came out at the last second (little to no bottom skin expansion). There was definitely drag though because they were spiraling a little. It wasn't much though....they were falling very fast.

The plank (where they jumped) was just over the beach/out LZ which was where they impacted. I wonder how much difference the shallows or deep water would have made (both positive and negative).

I know one of the two and he was very current and experienced, not sure about the other person. They did rehearse it on the sidewalk, but shit happened and things went bad.

2006 Waterfall

Haha! Wow. Reading all this base-jumper first aid advice is reminding me why I try not to pound in. Or at least save it for the loads with Dr Charley... (he's a doctor, if you haven't heard) :) Oh, yeah, I'm also thinking about selling next-gen base-jumper first aid kits. Portable body bags that easily fit in your saddle bag or pocket. No directions needed, just wing it! I'm sure it'll work....

You mean wing suits right? We got em already!

Where are all the posts? Yesterday i read 3 pages.....

I see that this ugly video is doing the rounds again. Have you heard what happened to the more injured of the 2 jumpers? Is he walking yet ?

I put one of those trauma kits in the blue box under the bridge. It is not there anymore, I think it was used on a different incident. Anyway, Speaking of, stop saying anyways its not a damn word and is annoying as hell, there should be a kit down there no? Why isnt there one? All you BASE gods that think you are so special cant put one down there?

Next time you run to the store pick us up:
1 back board
1 C~collar
Spyder straps
2L NS
2 16g catheters
2 saline locks
alcohol wipes
2 ab pads
4x4's
Kerlix
Splinting materials, with padding material
Blankets and towels
20mg mso4
5mg syringes
Cold packs
and a case of cold beer.
Tom will pay you back.
~981

no one uses spyder straps anymore but we could use a KTD.

This is the kit we carry on all jumps: http://www.amazon.com/...ew?ie=UTF8&lm_bb

This is the kit we bring along (but don't jump with): http://www.amazon.com/...;keywords=trauma+kit.

False. Spider straps are the SHIT but nobody wants to pay for them anymore. They are very much still in use.

We should add:

2 CAT tourniquets
2 ARS Needle decompression systems
1 adult Bag Valve mask
1 manual suction device
1 set Oropharyngeal Airways
1 set Nasopharyngeal Airways
1 Yellow King airway
1 Red King airway
1 Kendrick Traction Device

I'd gladly come out and train SRBA to use ALL of this stuff.

Just saying

Please let us know if you do; I'd like to attend.

Why you hatin' on the purple king airway, Chad? ;)
~981

Well.... people that big aren't super compatible with gravity, and I'm not carrying anyone out who's that big ;-)

They're just expensive. Toss a purple one in. I won't complain. :-)

Yeah... IMHO that's too much. You need medical training to do no harm with that, not a couple hours course.

Just saying

Fortunately for us, it's possible to get medical training with the simple application of time, money and effort.

In Chad's case, I believe the training was provided courtesy of my tax dollars.

Redaktor's point is very important... Chad is not going to be down in the LZ 24/7. It's all well and good to have equipment down there but remember that you are talking about stocking certain devices that even most EMTs are not allowed to use.

Now I will never say never. But how many jumpers can accurately diagnose a pneumothorax at a chaotic field scene, much less handle the possible adverse consequences. Unless people are willing to undergo EMT-Advanced training or higher, you rarely have any business plunging a 14 gauge needle into someone's chest.

Folks should just keep that in mind when they are desperately feeling like they should just do something in an accident, and they have a bunch of tools on hand that they are barely familiar with.

Given the relatively small number of people who can use this stuff, it would probably be more effective to have a kit somewhere that they could "check out" or bring while they were at the bridge.

Definitely agree that putting tools in a box that people don't know how to use could lead to catastrophe. They actually stopped training soldiers to give IVs in basic training because in the field they were being administered improperly and in the wrong situations because there was not ENOUGH training.

If anyone is interested, and I get time off during whatever becomes of bridge day at the Perrine. Id be happy to teach brief course about stabilization basics. Chad could obviously do the same thing quite competently as well. Tom if theres interest just let me know.

I know theres at least a handful of people on this forum who Ive helped with in the field with their... concussion, torn ACL (in china), femur fracture, dislocated knee, dislocated ankle, broken back, multiple lacerations...ect

My strategy is to keep the equipment with the trained people, and have it jumpable, rather than stashing it in the LZ.

Chad and Charlie, I think that's a great idea. I'll try to sort some things out and be in touch as soon as I can.