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http://www.nydailynews.com/...tc-article-1.1731692

these clowns just dont get the hint that they are doing it wrong. if you are getting arrested and caught this many times then you should reevaluate how you go about jumping off buildings. This is a pattern that does not need to be continued.

How many buildings have you jumped in NYC Gary? The city that never sleeps, with 8,000,000 angry residents, and the largest police force in the world...
It requires a different approach than your "standard" city, and thanks to Jeb they have an ordinance that specifically outlaws base, making it easily prosecutable. Also, fwiw, I spoke with some NYC locals at bridge day last year, and the investigation was already underway, with detectives canvassing the local DZ's looking for leads. I'd speculate that someone sold them out, hence the warrants.

All that just to say, don't believe everything you read on the internet, and don't be so quick to judge..

Arrest and ethics and getting caught and all that blah blah blah aside, that's a pretty incredible jump

Burglary?

for stealing the buildings cherry no doubt

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"In the end, the parachutists were nabbed because they saved video footage of the exploits.

Authorities got search warrants for their homes and discovered GoPro camera footage of the jump, the source said. It was unclear how investigators identified the men."

Enough said.

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The court understands:

Manhattan Criminal Court Judge Neil Ross called their actions “utter recklessness” conducted in an “organized fashion.”

Didn't this jump occur a few months ago?

Can recklessness actually be organized? :p

Paranoid part of me wonders if cell phone monitoring had anything to do with the case? It makes me very cautious what I will say/ use cell phones for.

https://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be

Footage from the "low" guy. Awesome.

Actually not too far off. This article gives the most details I've found about HOW they were caught:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/...ff-the-building.html

I didn't even see the other guy under canopy.

how bout a pair of these puppies

http://www.walmart.com/...andheld-GPS/17167614

(edit to add: hasty link search. was referring to handheld FRS radios etc)

dayum, that must be the most bored cops on the planet; dont they have some REAL crime to look for, like oversized soft-drinks!?

whenver i think about visiting the US again, please remind me NOT to do it..

“The only thing that paints them in a negative light is that in the post 9/11 world everybody looks at them as potential terrorism.”

Only in the US, in some official heads over there. That is why they go over so much trouble for just some jumps. And because they have small dicks, I forgot that.

a llittle paranoia can be good...

monitoring? no. but think hard about doing anything you don't want others to know about with a powered on cell phone on your person. while it is usually a pain in the ass to subpoena cell records, it will hammer you every time. trust me. there is way too much data in that little computer you're carrying around everwhere.

Yeah, the visuals are amazin!. What a great jump.

As for the authorities reaction - someone should remind them about this great little ending of a certain anthem...

"O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"

Precisely. The US must be about the most un-free place to live on the planet.

I'm glad I live in Europe, where our police tend to focus on more important things...

Oh, great footage from that jump. Good style!

Like religious hats and the correct size for the holes in your cheese???

3rd guys a baller. Nice!!

Media scumbags have been calling for the last 24 hours. One of them just asked if I have anyone in the NYC area that they can speak to. I told him my mother lives in NYC.

Silence is golden in situations like this.

Yup, ive been getting the same about both Zion and NYC. Two reporters have actually called my parents trying to find my number. My mom answered when ABC called and just said "well if you found this number I bet you can find his" and hung up. Shes a pretty awesome lady.

In Malaysia don't you get life in prison for a joint? Why single the US out for being douches in certain areas? I just finished reading the superb "Rise and Fall of the British Empire", seems like a lot of selective memory and thinking going on.

And yes, boss footage of the jump. Hope they get away with it.

To give ya all a perspective on how far down the freedom drain did USA sink since late 90's:

Once upon a time Thor Alex has jumped ESB and Chrysler buildings back-to-back. He got away clean and then had a very, very public exchange of insults on prime-time TV with then-considered-fascist mayor Rudy Giuliani ("He's an opportunist and a jerk" from Rudy's mouth comes to mind). Yet he partied happily in the City for a while and then flew out without any problems. A few months later he flew back, did WTC, got away clean again, and than the next day got sold out by slime-bag TV producers - who have told TA to stay one more day for "an interview with Owen Quinn" but instead decided to film one more hit episode of "Human Fly getting busted by NYPD" and while at it save some money by not paying for the footage they've already bought from TA (their later quote was "we don't deal with convicts"). Things didn't go smoothly for the cops, as TA has climbed out on the roof of the balcony and hid there for a while when the cops rushed in. Unfortunately TV fuckers confirmed that Thor Alex was in the building and he was eventually busted.

Well, he spent a couple of days in jail, got charged with multiple felonies, released on bail and partied very hard in the City for a month waiting for a trial. When the time came, the judge dropped everything and let him walk free. To make the story even better, the fact that TA has entered the country on his cousin's passport didn't interest the judge to the slightest, as "it would be a Federal crime".

Meanwhile, the same lawyers sued TV program for a couple of millions. The slimebags (i mean TV sort) noticed the outcome of the criminal court and immediately settled for 50K cash in hand, which Thor Alex took against his lawyers advice (as it would take years to get the millions).

To sum it up: jump 3 most famous buildings in the country, call Rudy names on TV and get him to call ya even worse names, party hard for a month, get 50 grand in cash (well minus a lawyer's third) and go home a hero. Those were the good old times...

NYPD attitude at the time: when some friends of Thor Alex came to the evidence room to pick up his gear (yep, gear returned and all), cops showed them a picture from a security camera saying, quote: "i have to show you this picture, but you don't have to tell me who it is".

As BASE 43 Robbie Slater would say, "Spoken like a classic ignorant American sheeple. Baaaaa..."


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State of the art of catching illegal fun havers.
A few jumpers were scoping out a known object to the LEO. The object had been jumped before. the jumpers were in the database as having been arrested before for illegal fun,
CCTV picked up the car registration number. The recognition program (remember that they there is facial recog also) sent up an alert to the LEO. Jumpers were pulled over and told to leave before they could even leave the auto.
Add cell phones, which still transmit your location even when turned off. It has bust written all over it.
think about it. they , LEO publicize their cleverness to mask their dumbness and give not only us funseekers but also "wanna be terrorists" the key.
take care,
space

Singapore is a very strict country, but so is the US. Apparently you can also get capital punishment in the US for drug trafficking. It might require larger quantities, but the main idea is still the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/...for_drug_trafficking

let me assure you that cell phones that are turned off are not sending anything anywhere. this is an urban myth...

Bullshit. I once microwaved a cell phone, took out the battery, dipped it in cement and threw it into the artic ocean and the police STILL found me

Then go ahead and assure us.... so far you have only stated it's a myth, which doesn't inspire confidence.

You're underestimating the capabilities of electronic devices.

google it.

ok, im an it guy and electric engineer with real hands on experience on gsm.
i worked quite some time on doing some security research and playing around with the gsm baseband and i have quite a bit of understanding of the air interface.

1. i had access to a radio spectograph, and i can assure you that nothing is coming from a mobile that is turned off. you can try this with a cheap radio. stick your mobile to it and drive around, as soon as you enter a new cell it makes this crappy noise. now turn the mobile off, and see what happens.

2. gsm in your mobile is either on or off, there is no powersaving mode or anything fancy to keep it connected while not sending/receiving. the gsm mobile end has to listen all the time since it has to stay synchronized (the network channels are frequency seperated, but also time seperated, so if youre not synchronized you cant receive or send)
since you can move your mobile it is not possible to stay fully synchronized even within one cell without from time to time send an update. so if you move further away from the base station while staying in the same cell, you would slowly slip out of your time slot because of the propagation delay of the radio signal, yes, gsm is really that timing critical.

there is some cool piece of free software that is called osmocmBB.
this can be used to sniff (eavesdrop) the stuff that is sent around in the network. most traffic (speech, sms ...) is encrypted, however the part of network that is used for administrative purposes is not. so you can see when someone comes into your gsm cell and his mobile loggs onto this cell, same when someone leaves the cell, turns on, or off their mobile, and much more stuff...

when you turn the mobile off, it sends a goodbye message to the cell that forwards it to the infrastructure behind.
i can again assure you that after the mobile sent its goodbye, no more messages are sent, either from network side nor from mobile side.

gsm (and all newer generations) specifications are available online, the one for gsm is a few 1000 pages, but since you can narrow it down to the air interface (um) you can dig through the few 100 youre interested, and theres nothing in there that would describe what would be necessary to let the network know your location while your not assigned to a bts, therefore have a fully turned on mobile that is linked to the network.
http://www.3gpp.org/specifications

oh, i forgot...

unless youre targetted by the nsa and they somehow got a trojan installed on your mobile that just makes it look like its shutting down when you power off. then youre screwed... but i dont know if they would share that information with "regular" law enforcement since they are actually not allowed to do that with you as an american as far as i understood.

agreed but, i don't need to assure anyone, i really don't care if your phone is on or off or destroyed. if i want to find you, i will. because people are stupid. especially bad people.

but i do find it amusing to read this stuff.

I heard from reliable sources that the only way to keep them from tracking your phone is to insert it into your rectum. I don't know if that's true, but just to be safe I do that on all my urban jumps.

Also true. That's science.

Urban jumps? I do it on a daily basis. I also stuff the IPad in there too, just to be safe.

Mid 90's we were caught and released by the NYPD. Never cuffed, not arrested just chatted with them on the street until they woke the buildings lawyers and were told the building owners didn't want to press charges. Used to be truth behind the insult of 'he couldn't get arrested in this town.'

rectum? damn near killed him ;-)

Yeah. That's why you insert things there. right.

Finally a reporter who has some sense:

Did the World Trade Center BASE jumpers 'violate' the sacred site?
....this idea that in doing so they’ve also violated the sanctity of our pure national grief is ridiculous.
....with respect to the actual victims of 9/11 -- whose pain and suffering I would never seek to downplay in any way -- for the rest of the world, it’s just a building.
....Shouldn’t we be thanking these guys for showing us security flaws in the system before someone with a more sinister intent could find them?
....Or, if you insist on looking at it as some sort of emblem of American virtue, consider this: What’s more demonstrative of our adventurous, risk-taking spirit as a nation than finding the tallest building, climbing it, exploring it and jumping off of it, just because? This wasn’t a violation of anything; it was an affirmation.

http://www.latimes.com/....story#ixzz2yyhsjSJy