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 I have never understood why/how some folks think breaking and damaging private property is OK to make a jump. Jumping a fence or dismantling/ remantling to gain entry is acceptable but, deliberate vandalism is not. I always ask permission (when I can) before trespassing. Nothing to lose. I've only had 1 person object and I just came back in the middle of the nite. I talked to security at this rather high profile Vegas B and not one of them cared. The landing area guy told me he'd open the gate for me so I could leave without jumping the fence. The security in the building thought it was cool and enjoyed seeing it happen. Where the problem started was videoing the event then puttin it on the web. The owner saw it, complained to the security company who then came down on the guards. They told me the walls were put up because of this and then those got damaged. Really? Is that what we're about? Fuckin up other people's stuff? How wude you feel if someone did that to your stuff? Can't blame anyone for coppin an attitude because of that shit. Knock it off! Seems like we could get a LOT more people on our side if we just dealt a little more straight up.

I'd rather ask forgiveness than permission. In today's hyper-litigious society, I think that "NO" is out of someone's mouth before you're even done with the first sentence.

I don't ever think that anyone should damage another's property for any reason, though; especially not for something as frivolous as a base jump.

That's an inconsiderate attitude. Suppose it's your property. Wude you prefer a stranger trespasses and you catch them? How wude you feel? I'd be pissed and may take further action against you. A different approach; you ask permission. They appreciate the consideration and think what yer doing is cool and wanna see it. They say no. If yer real adamant about that object, come back when nobody is around and have at it. Don't damage anything and be considerate. That's how Id like to be treated.

Where I'm from it's considered a "trophy" for a security guard to catch a base jumper. When security get's wind of one of their objects being jumped, they can go thru pretty extreme measures to catch jumpers. I'm with Newman, I'll try ninja mode first, and if that doesn't work, hopefully I can talk my way out of it.

I think that most people are clueless that an object may even be considered for base. Asking them just raises awareness and is one step closer to being caught.

I can see asking working in a less litigious society, though, but Joe America's line of thinking goes "if I so much as give the slightest inkling that this is OK, I could be sued."

Shit, if I owned an awesome tower and some stranger asked if he could jump it, I'd tell him to fuck off. I don't need his mom suiting me after he tries a double tweener and tows it in from 300'.

Seems we're getting a bit lost here. Didn't think I had to explain that the person Im talking to DOESN'T own the object and is not giving permission, endorsing or condoning my actions. Perhaps some legal person could chime in and see if they would be on the hook.

I may be confused. But, are you saying that you:
1. Jumped an object
2. Burnt it, which caused the owner/security company/whothefuckcares to install measures to hinder access.
3. Are bitching that people damaged the now installed deterrent, which you are responsible for?

Forgive me if I read your post wrong, but that's fucking stupid.

So who exactly are you asking then? Someone employed by "the object"? Because, again, if my job is on the line for your fuckup, hell no you won't be coming anywhere near there.

Maybe you need to clarify...

Also:

and got the guards in trouble because you had to show the world your amazing video

The post is about treating others as you would like. Getting those that might be involved as an ally instead of an enemy. It goes directly against what most do in this situation. The thrill of the chase can be part of the excitement and I've been there before. I just try to look at this from everyone's view and see if it can be worked out cooperatively instead of conflict. Seems to work well for me. Some Ass hat fucks up a gondola and everyone is (rightfully) all over him. I suggest we don't behave that way and next thing ya know it turns into confused personal attack. Funny how these things go...

It is funny, very funny.....

- I always ask permission (when I can) before trespassing. Nothing to lose. I've only had 1 person object and I just came back in the middle of the nite.-


How many light beers did you drink through a straw before you went on this rant?

So, you're bashing others for not following your obscure list of BASE ethics...but you are just as willing to say "fuck them" and jump an object that you've specifically BEEN TOLD NOT TO JUMP.