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Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
http://au.news.yahoo.com/...ing-in-china-xinhua/

In reply to:
Beijing (AFP) - A Hungarian wingsuit flyer was missing Tuesday after plunging into a valley in central China when his parachute failed to deploy during a trial flight, Chinese state media reported.

About 200 police and firefighters were searching for Victor Kovats who disappeared in a steep cliff area of the Tianmen Mountain National Forest Park in Hunan province, the official Xinhua news agency reported.

Organisers of the Second World Wingsuit Championship, scheduled to take place at the park on October 13, said the incident may be related to a "technical error", Xinhua reported.

According to the Red Bull World Wingsuit League website, Kovats has done 700 jumps, as well as 1,250 skydives and 250 base jumps.

Xinhua said Kovats was pushed off course by a gust of wind before the parachute failed to deploy during the 700 metre jump from Tianmen Mountain.

Rescue teams on foot had been unable to find him before darkness fell and he was not wearing a GPS positioning system.
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Re: [cpoxon] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
cpoxon wrote:
before the parachute failed to deploy

hate how this is crushing hope :(
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Re: [cpoxon] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
In reply to:
According to the Red Bull World Wingsuit League website, Kovats has done 700 jumps, as well as 1,250 skydives and 250 base jumps.

I am unclear how those numbers add up.
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Re: [base698] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
base698 wrote:
In reply to:
According to the Red Bull World Wingsuit League website, Kovats has done 700 jumps, as well as 1,250 skydives and 250 base jumps.

I am unclear how those numbers add up.

700 wingsuit (another argument would be BASE WS vs. skydive, but that's by the by; the quoted article hadn't correctly repeated the data it was quoting)
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Re: [base698] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
[URL=http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/Dano302/media/vicfearless.png.html]

this has been circling around facebook as well, was confused by the numbers myself
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Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
Usually don't chime in on this stuff, but apparently he has passed on. BSBD, Fly Free.
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Re: [Freakazoid] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
http://www.dailymotion.com/...ovats-recovered_news

bsbd
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Re: [goochie] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
goochie wrote:
http://www.dailymotion.com/...ovats-recovered_news

bsbd

Here are Hungarian and Chinese stories with some pics of Viktor.

Frown
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viktor kovats3.jpg
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Re: [goochie] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
From the video it looks like he stalled it during that sharp turn, any more details?
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Re: Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
I'm going to point out an issue that nobody seems to be touching base on...

250 base jumps, he had no business flying a line that technical, especially in a competitive environment. What bothers me even more is that people of this experience are being selected/accepted into this race.

We can sit here and blame everything on the wind, just as we can blame our parachute for a crappy landing.

Who cares about experience! Ain't nobody got time for that!

Preventable and unfortunate loss.
BSBD
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Re: [Shredex] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
i'd bet you didnt know he won the WBR in 2012 and scored 3rd i think this year; talented guy for sure. also, i'm pretty sure he's had more jumps than that.
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Re: [virgin-burner] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
virgin-burner wrote:
i'd bet you didnt know he won the WBR in 2012 and scored 3rd i think this year; talented guy for sure. also, i'm pretty sure he's had more jumps than that.

WBR/PBW is a straight line, not winding between hills at close proximity.
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Re: [virgin-burner] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
virgin-burner wrote:
i'd bet you didnt know he won the WBR in 2012 and scored 3rd i think this year; talented guy for sure. also, i'm pretty sure he's had more jumps than that.

Are you talking about the same guy? Or the same WBR?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vg2I8sejV8
https://www.facebook.com/...p;type=1&theater
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Re: [Dunny] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
Dunny wrote:

Are you talking about the same guy? Or the same WBR?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vg2I8sejV8
https://www.facebook.com/...p;type=1&theater

He meant the ProBase Worldcup.
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Re: [Shredex] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
My take on it was that he went left and couldnt stop the left veer. That wind from Georgia, A Gusta, dont is being app in this situ. Vick or his suit failed.
What nails me is he was way safelooking at the line that I saw, just no recovery from the turn. I didnt see a stall.
Correct me.
take care,
space
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Re: [base283] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
stall is super obvious
he flared aggressivly be4 entering the turn
big mistake
clearly shows his lack of experience
his champion of str8 flight titles mean nothin
its abc of wsuiting
maintain speed thru the turn
if u slow down before the tur like a car driver
then yes u can make a sharper turn
but u'll fall like a brick
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Re: [sky12345] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
Yeah it seems pretty clear to me too... I have a question, does anyone know how many practise jumps they get on the course before timing/qualifiers/competitions starts? Flights with no pressure where they slowly but surely can find their line, angle of a attack, speed and everything else you need to make it safeish? And please don't say one or two or three jumps cause that would be complete bullshit and truly idiotic
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Re: [sky12345] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
I have heard people discussing this turn in the race saying that the turn demanded some deep flying followed by a climb to fly over the ledge. The video showing the track (Road to WWL 2013 episode 8) was apparently showing this pretty good. I never saw the video myself so I shouldn't speculate, but the WWL organisers have retracted this video too, so they probably don't want anyone else to see it either.

The track has now been changed. Could it be so simple that the track was too demanding for a race at all?
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Re: [johenrik] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
>The track has now been changed. Could it be so simple that the track was too demanding for a race at all?

absolutly

it was a death trap
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Re: [johenrik] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
I believe they removed the video because of Roberta's near cliff strke. After Victors death they probably thought it was too much and removed it to make the whole thing look "cleaner" I suppose.
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Re: [Shredex] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
Shredex wrote:
I believe they removed the video because of Roberta's near cliff strke. After Victors death they probably thought it was too much and removed it to make the whole thing look "cleaner" I suppose.

Yeah it's all smiles and orange fingernails
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Re: [Heat] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
All smiles and orange fingernails?
The decision to jump has been unanimously by all jumpers, and guess what, I think no one should expect the world to stop turning.
After which period of time is it appropriate to smile?
What you don't like about orange fingernails, would you have preferred only smiles?
It is easy to judge on people taking decisions in hard times, isn't it? So please argue the sentence!
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Re: [johenrik] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
I saw the intro video of the original race track of this WWL. My first thought was: "holy jesus fckn christ!" The line was a hardcore demanding proximity line without the smallest doubt and even dangerous for the best of the best under competition pressure! There is no doubt. It is a shame that somebody had to die for them to realize it. They removed the video because it would prove the negligence of the organizers who set a too demanding line and risked the lives of the participants. That right turn into the gorge was super tight with absolutely ZERO possibility to escape any direction! Fuck that shit!
I am not an experienced proxy flyer but do WS BASE and knew Viktor a bit. He definitely had way loads more jumps then 250 as somebody wrote here earlier. Unfortunate for him the victory at the WBR definitely boosted his -already- big ego and that definitely played a role in this accident, he wanted to prove himself at this world stage - in my opinion...
RIP Vick fly high
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Re: [justACRO] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
It is easy to lay blame with WWL but ultimately it is the pilots choice to jump or not.

Some facts:

-The race rules did not dictate the height we had to fly over the course, flying high over the gates and gorge was completely acceptable.

-There was an out after the first turn, continuing straight on would take you into the next gorge which leads down to the LZ.

-The participants had been pushing for a more technical course which would demonstrate their ability to turn and fly precisely.

-The course was created and tested by WWL participants and other experienced wingsuit pilots.
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Re: [justACRO] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
when did we as BASE jumpers start blaming others for our deaths? I dont give a shit if an organizer makes flying the dagger at the BASE apart of the course, nothing says you have to fly it. the beauty of BASE is that we are all responsible for our actions 100% of the time.

"negligence of organizers"- pretty sure this was a worlds best of the best deal. the organizers are the ones flying this shit. you think the chinese know shit about how to setup a wingsuit course?

sucks he died the same as when any one of our brethren die. this just happened at an organized event.
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Re: [unclecharlie95] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
unclecharlie95 wrote:
It is easy to lay blame with WWL but ultimately it is the pilots choice to jump or not.

Some facts:

-The race rules did not dictate the height we had to fly over the course, flying high over the gates and gorge was completely acceptable.

-There was an out after the first turn, continuing straight on would take you into the next gorge which leads down to the LZ.

-The participants had been pushing for a more technical course which would demonstrate their ability to turn and fly precisely.

-The course was created and tested by WWL participants and other experienced wingsuit pilots.

Hey, don't confuse dude with the facts... what are you thinking?

Don't you know it's actually China's fault for working with the WWL instead of him. Dude is clearly smarter, wiser, more experienced and most decidedly more awesome than any of those losers who run the WWL. Dude clearly has far more and greater accomplishments than either they or the other competitors do or he wouldn't say what he does because then he'd look like a total imbecile, right?

So I guess we all should bow down, Uncle Charlie, there is apparently greatness in our midst.

Or not.

Cool
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Re: [robinheid] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
I wonder if these kinds of discussions happen after every single isle of man tt race. Over 200 people have died in this race and they seem to understand it's a dangerous sport with small margins for error.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/isle-of-man-tt-it-has-killed-200-people-but-still-they-come-maybe-thats-why-they-come-6145265.html

The best part about the WWL or wing-suit flying in general is you don't have to do it. You are adults and can make your own choices. You can look at a proximity flight and you can decide if it's a jump you are willing to do or not.

One thing that should be made clear is this accident did not happen during the race. It happened on the very first practice jump before the race had begun. This was suppose to be a check out jump where the pilots could look at the corse while flying it high to see what the terrain looked like. Every one was told to fly high and just look at the corse. There were going to be 6 practice jumps before the qualifying round was going to begin. During these 6 practice jumps we were going to be watching pilots and evaluating them. We told everyone that if they scared us they would be grounded and you could not win the race sitting in a chair. The fastest line would have been the highest and safest. Getting close would not have given you better times. Some of the pilots complained about this because they felt it was not going to be a true proximity race and I said we are not here to kill people and the fastest line will be the safest line period.

This fatality had nothing to do with racing, it had to do with on sighting a proximity line without doing the mandatory practice jumps. All proximity should begin with warm up jumps and pilots should 100% all the time work their way into proximity lines. On sighting proximity has killed many pilots and if people keep on sighting proximity lines many more will die this same exact way. Please, everyone, learn from the mistakes of others and do not on sight proximity lines. Fly the line high first and work your way down with multiple jumps. Stop rushing and stop being lazy. Do the jumps. Work your way down...
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Re: [cpoxon] Missing wingsuiter - WWL, Zhang Jiajie, China - 8th October 2013
Today it is one year since Vick has left the ground behind forever. A true legend of our kind, an inspiration and a person who made the world a little les black and a little more orange.
Still the only person to ever posthumously compete in a Wingsuit competition, acoording to the WWL homepage.

It is one year that I failed to deliver my account, which as the person standing behind him I surely owe. There would be much easier things to do today and I think Vick wouldn't blame me for getting wasted instead, but some things have been ventilated in ways which I cannot tolerate.

A great tradition in BASE-jumping is to learn from the mistakes of the others instead of blaming them, cherish their lifes instead of only mourning their death. The source of this tradition, which manifests itself in the Fatality List is the belief that not the individual commits errors, but that they are the symptoms of our collective misconceptions.

To make this clearer, being floating individuals we are a swarm, like birds or fish. Now in a swarm each and everyone takes part in the process of directing the whole, and not our individuality but the position we assume relative to the swarm will determine our fate. There cannot be another word but avantgarde to decribe Vicks position, he definitely was a force pulling others in direction of an open and positive attitude. I deeply respect his passion and I feel priviledged to have had the possibility to swim after him.

So I cannot accept people putting the blame for the accident solely on him. For example, I personally probably bear more guilt for what happend then he himself. Had it been for him, the race course would not have looked like this. The course with two turns, as it was laid out was the dream of a different, of an ambitious kind of pilots. When he rightfully uttered his concerns about it, I swept it away, more even, I didn't give him the information I had about how to fly it, partly because I thought he would know it, partly because I didn't want to spoil my chances in a race which soon developped into a farce anyways.

So yes, I killed Vick. And I deserve every punishment I got and I will get. But as a swarm we should learn from our past and hold in high value those who paid for our ambitions and dreams.

Now let me just clarify. I did not see when Vick hit, solely because I didn't need to. I was standing at the exit and when he headed for the first gate I just hoped he wouldn't actually do the turn. When I saw that he was actually doing the turn, so did I, because from there on I already knew what would happen.
The course layout as two consecutive turns in itself is not a problem, it has always be the thing I was longing to do. But what we all didn't see (what I as a ski instructor and trainer should have seen), is that after the second turn there was no runout, but the hill which ended up being fatal for Vick. Even though there was meant to be an emergency exit flying straight out Vick had no chance from the moment he turned. This is because of a simple effect that happens to most people when they first ski through two consecutive gates. They try to save distance before the first gate, therefore only being able to start the turn in the moment they have passed the gate. As every turn takes a certain time and radius (even more so in wingsuit flying), they are in the best case on the same level as the second gate. For Vick that means, he was already below the emergency exit and the only possibility he had to try and safe his life was to fly into the gully. He never actually had the time to finish the first turn in order to be prepared for the second one. This is the reason why he drifted into the mountainside which bordered the course.

This for most people is evident. And some will say, still, it was his personal fault. Of course, but what has to be acknowledged is that at any given point during the competition on this trajectory someone would have tried to safe some time by getting closer to the first gate and would hav ended in the exact same mountainside. As it happens even in alpine skiing highly trained athletes.

I do not expect the WWL to actually show any sign of respect towards our fallen friend. I let them know the mistake on their homepage already in May and there was no change. I do not expect that they stand with their history instead of blindly trying to move ahead.

But I hope that the swarm, we as Basejumpers show respect to the person who made it clear that we cannot race through walls, as it is fit to our tradition.
I wear orange today.

In loving memory.