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Anyone made statistics on the above??

Finding it harder and harder to ague with family and freinds why i still jump when people by bigger numbers keep dying in this sport..

dont give me the bullshit about more jumpers into the sport,by the #s of fatalityes BASE should then have grown enourmus..

Will all these fatalityes effect the legal jumps and events made all over the world?

Is it time that people look around and begin thinking the rules of BASE like etics and selfregulating..

And yes i spell like shit i did so the past 11 years ,foucs on the above rather my gramar cheers

Source: DZ.

Edit: picture doesnt work, http://www.dropzone.com/...t;postatt_id=139753;

Hi Faber,
I am quite certain that the attrition rate has overtaken entry rate. Which means the problem will solve itself at this rate ratio. And yes, we must deal with the fallout/side effects. But all of the recent incidents are from exits that regulars have no interests in. In the 3D world, most all of the recent accidents have been with wingers playing with the horizontal playground, not the vertikal. Shall we make rules to slow down the equation or let the equation solve itself? I vote the latter.(2nd choice). With freedom comes responsibilities. But also with rule making. So to break it down simply,"Freedom = Death" and "Rules = Death". It is a no brainer in my opinion.
Take care,
space

Statistics look good if you keep hucking off your litl A.

But if you want to fly body bags you better not get too confident.

High learning curve+high confidence+high risk
+high consequences = BSBD

Good breakdown here.

http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/wiki/Fatality_Statistics

Don't have stats to give you, but it seems pretty logical that WS terrain flying is very dangerous and has a near nil error margin. Not to mention all the young bucks who don't seem to respect the need to be very experienced and very current.

Basically, Darwin is sorting this one or for us.

Looking at it via indexing...

1000 ws terain jumps maybe 1000 min of flying 16 or so hrs probably spanning a 10 year career. By aviation standards Not much really. Maybe the problem is with our definition of experianced and current?

How much Wingsuit experience do they have? How many can you do a season if you are in the alps all year? A couple hundred max I'd think. I think with some of the fatalities it's easy to conflate experience and Wingsuit experience. In skydiving I know a lot of dead people that jumped right into swooping after they had 1000 jumps. I'd be interested to know how many BASE jumps, WS BASE, and WS skydives they have.

from one perspective it is looking quite hard to kill yourself jumping low stuff nowadays

but from another angle maybe some of those who have gone in wingsuiting recently would have found another way to do it if wingsuiting hadnt been invented yet, based on their position on the risk bell curve

all seems to come back to Booths Rule adapted
"The safer skydiving gear becomes, the more chances skydivers will take, in order to keep the fatality rate constant"

There has been quite a few "old" experienced bucks going in as of late as well... The grim reaper does not seem to distinguish between young, old, new or experienced when it comes to terrain flying. And seriously, this is starting to suck big time. Don't die

Skydiving have gone from 30 000 jumps one fatality to now 300 000 jumps in 30 years? Numbers maybee not be accurate, but close enough

Comparing to more extreme climbing, paragliding, skiing, does base outnumbers those activities?

5 norwegians base jumpers have died this year, one wingsuit skydiving, 4 wingsuit base, and 3 of them was in Norway lately. That is a huge impact on such a small group as base is, and it should make someone start reconsidering what a fuck is going on, and start making a difference for the future.

Looking at the graphs that index the fatalities, I throw out the following quick comments (not saying they are correct) for discussion:

2009 base index year
Fatality rate has increased slowly since 2009, however it has levelled out for the period 2011 to 2013.

If the participation rate has increased during the period, or the jump rate has increased, this could account for the increase in fatality rate.

The WS fatality rate increases, however the non-WS fatality rate decreases.

If you surmise that the increase in fatality rate is soley due to increased participation, then it would suggest that WS flying isnt killing more people, just that people are flying WS more than non-WS jumping.

2003 base index year - First WS fatality year
You could also draw from this that infact WS do not cause additional fatalities. During 2007 when fatalities rose above the base year, WS fatalities dropped. We also see during 2009 when fatalities in WS rose, the fatality rate dropped.

Although the fatality rate has increased slowly over the period, again can we soley place this at the feet of the WSer? Participation rates and jump numbers may account for this. With the drop off of non-ws fatalities, it suggests that maybe the type of jumping has shifted.

One could argue that with more experienced people loading the fatality stats than previously when non-ws fatalities were the main jumping type, you could suggest that the inexperienced jumpers are safer WSing, as they no longer require the skills and reactions that a 180 with twists required in avoiding a cliff strike and death (as long as they are not trying to proxi/terrain fly).

Obviously without numbers relating to participation rates, jump number rates, the above is 100% unqualified.

Again, I am not saying the above is correct in anyway, just throwing out a few statements for discussion, as I feel that the general consensus is that many more are dying and its all caused by WSing.... but is the reaction inline with the statistical results?

I dont know....

Fact is, this sport should have become safer, and it still saddens me to hear about this side....

Play safe all, peace and love.

 as I feel that the general consensus is that many more are dying and its all caused by WSing.... but is the reaction inline with the statistical results?

I dont know....

of the last 19 deaths 16 have been wingsuiters

Do you think if WS didnt exist there would only be 3 fatalities?

If everyone was SLing 150ft objects, would there be 16/19 deaths related to SLing?

Proxy Tracking would have been major incidents factor, but wingsuit attracts a whole new group in to base, that tracking did not. "Anyone" can fly a wingsuit close to ground these days, but not everybody can track.

well the 16 wouldn't have been wing suiting so?

maybe some of them would have gone in but hard to believe they all would have

the fact is WS do exist and this year 16 people using them have gone in

Guys I was just looking last night at the fatalitys and it looks like ..

out of the last 33 deaths dating back to june 11th 2012 there was only 4 of them not in a wingsuit..

That's 29 deaths since june 2012 in a wingsuit...

Just some more info for you guys...

click on one of the links below and that takes you to a page with the stats.. check them for yourself...

either way wingsuits are still sleeping bags of death :)



and from the first fatality.

Slider up deaths are 159 (71 wingsuits packed slider up of course:)[/:P] )

slider down/pca deaths are 60

It's called the Peltzman Effect. And it not only particular to sky and BASE.
Take care and google it.
space

As long as the sport attracts the same kind of minds I think the Peltzman Effect will be hard at work. Exponential growth rate of ten percent per year with an initial value of one accident in 1980 leaves three available slots this year. 25 next year. I dare you all (and myself) to prove me wrong.

Did you say surprised? I say numbed...

(Safety tip: leave the GoPro, forget about the sponsorship and enjoy the mountains. And stay alive.)