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Jeb would have loved to be the first landing a wingsuit on his balls, but too late, Gary did it before him.
Have to find something else !

He tried to be the only one surviving a hit with the ground, but too bad, Reiner went true threes and survived !
Have to find something else !

Here it is, new project : be the first to TAKE OF !

He already started his training by running on steep slopes, but i'm sure, one day, he will be the first taking of a flat field, just by the power of his big mouth legs :
http://www.youtube.com/...7u2a_0Hs8&t=195s

Thanks Jeb, i haven't laught like that since a while try to stay alive and keep on entertaining us, love it !

You sound like a bully. Or am I missing something?

This was also an aspiration of Patrick De Gayardon. His Logic was that if one didnt have enough control to take off, then one didnt have enough control to land on snow covered slopes.
So MontBlanc, What have you accomplished other than laughing at people with bigger visions than yours? I am not asking you. I am only asking you to ask yourself.
Take care,
space

You know there is a lot of ego's in base jumping..

But Douggs I fucken love yours..

the other guy says straight away "shall we jump"

Douggs reply. "Might as well" hahahahhaha I fucken laughed at douggs not that someone slipped...

I don't particularly like the guy (some of the media interviews I've seen. Sure he's completely different in person), but this is the 3rd+ post of this nature (quarter playful, 3/4 derogatory) and I don't understand what the point is. IMhO those kinda posts and that kinda attitude makes OP look like a tool.




Unless you know the person well and are just givin that sweet aussie-style tough love...

After Douggs uploaded this video I laughed as well and even made a status about it that said, "3:15 awesome exit, Jeb. lmao"

But please, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you dislike somebody, doesn't mean you should be bashing them publicly. A little harmless humor is fun...but don't make yourself look like a dick.

More partying/jumping, less bashing.

Jeb is a great guy IN PERSON. My guess is people who bash him have never met him.

Have you ever met Jeb in person? He's actually a super nice guy. I had the pleasure of working with him last week, and he was the definition of the consumate professional.

I think ultimately comes down to envy, or jealousy.
Haters gonna hate. It's confirmation that you're doing it right.

Also, we spoke in depth about his ACTUAL next project, and I cant say much, but if it goes well, it will make Grinding the Crack look like kid-stuff.

Keep it up Jeb, we're all just a little bit jealous. Some express it rudely. Apologies.

Then again... Flying through the "crack" is (and even was back then when Jen cashed heavily on it) consider a reasonably intermediate thing to do among the experienced community and I know several very good pilots who more or less never bother to "grind the crack" because there are just so much more better lines on the mountain to fly. So I really hope that this new project of Jeb´s is going to be something that not only sells well to the wuffos but also blows the experienced jumper community away and makes them go "now THAT is a cool flight, big respect for Jeb".

Agreed, but playing it up for the whuffo's pays the bills. If thats not one's style, that's fine, but it's not cool to hate on those who do. It's an awkward and unfortunate but necessary aspect of "professional" basejumping or skydiving or any action sport. As a professional photographer, it's my most despised task, marketing. I'm not a "look at me" individual in the slightest, and it feels super lame to have to put it out there like that, but that's how you get noticed, and how you book the next gig.

As for Jeb's project, I'm not really at liberty to speak about it, but it's no joke.

Be safe, have fun! Cheers. -b

Yes, never met him. Worst than that, i refused to bring friends on some new exits points because they were with him ...

You mean, it will make saying that he was the second to grind the crack when in fact he was the 100th to do it, look like kid-stuff ... but i always thought it was kid stuff ! I don't like people lying, even for earning money.

So there is no way to disagree with his way of "look at me" being famous. You agree or you're jealous ... strange view of the world guys

When you try to be famous and put all your videos on Internet, be ready to received good vibes and bad vibes because not all the people agree with your point of view, that's the game. If you don't want that, don't try to be famous !

But yes Jeb, keep up entertaining us and don't hurt yourself

Space, were you hight when you read my post ? drink a coffee and read it again and then look at the video .... thanks

Was more supposed to be 3/4 playful and quarter derogatory but maybe not well written. English is not my mother language.
But you know, i just comment a video. I'm not rude, the video is rude

I already spend 100% of my free time for jumping, so no time for partying and little time for bashing in between two pack job

You're so awesome :) Good thing we have people like you keeping it real :) Keep up the positive vibes and thank you for thinking about me so much ;)

P.S. What interview did you hear me claiming I was 2nd to fly through the crack? I don't remember ever making that claim. I would say I was a bit closer to 8th then 100th though :) I did fly through it about 13 times the year before the grinding the crack video was released :) I also never claimed it was a hard jump. Actually I was the one telling everyone it was very safe and pretty easy to do. Hitting the string on the balloon was a bit more challenging but don't confuse what other people say about me with what I say :)

I say very good recovery, nothing to laugh, this could arrived to anybody and some died like that. So post 2 posts about that on 2 differents BASE forum (French + US), you are bored Jean-Michel, go jumping and don't slip! ;-)

Jack Sparrow! YES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrJR5JRzHeY

I don't particularly like the guy (some of the media interviews I've seen. Sure he's completely different in person),

WHY should he be different than what he shows on dumb-dare-devil tv show ??

And take care people, some people don t post vids but they trully have the respect of other for how they act(without public self wranking) in base the last 10 years, some others use tv show to gain respect, i believe one of this way is more honorable than the 2md...
And bashing is probably more than posting a vid already on youtube, already seen thousand of times just to have a laught....

The footage make me laugh because of the good ending and Douggs reaction not because it s Jeb who "fail"
I did joke on Jeb sometimes because he speak alot and claim some "easy" jump like it was extrem stuff. But i don t judge this guy just because i don t know him. You can make joke on sombody without bad mind or hate. I laugh about myself even more. Base jump is fun, why you re lossing your time to watch what the other do? Because you re afraid about the people think about us? Who care really? If you don t like his way to do, look somewhere else

Ok, I did what you said and no I wasnt high and still only see you jabbing at Jeb. Normally, your posts are pretty spot on. Though I see that you seem to be jealous or just dislike sponsored jumpers. But that is really no reason to diss them IMHO. I Hate eating liver. Maybe you like it. I wouldnt diss you because you like it. but thats just me.

It seems to me that you are on a solo voyage. Have fun and best wishes.
Take care,
space

You're nearly right.
I don't dislike sponsored jumpers, i know (very few) good people sponsored ...
BUT i dislike people who use abuse the sport just to earn easy money or fame.
We spend a lot of our time (and money too) to try to keep BASE in a positive light. Now, here, Cliff jumping is considered as a mountain sport, and the French Alpine Club insurance is ok with that. Now we have an insurance and they help us on our difficult project (National park, forbidden cliffs / exits, ...) with the power of a big Alpine club (Climbers, hikers, Alpinists, an lawyers !)

At the same time, some sponsored "athletes" just abuse this community work just by telling that base jumping and shark diving is üübeeer cool because you can die every 10 seconds ! They don't even try to open new cool exit points, they just uses the already opened ones and tell the TV that they nearly opened it
I just give one example, but i can spend hours (with beers) telling you what these "look at me" have destroyed just for their seconds of glory ... so i'm not jealous, it just make me angry sometimes to see years of work of many good jumpers destroyed in seconds by just one selfish guy. Maybe i'm too sensitive, possible !

So yes, i dislike SOME sponsored jumpers !


Oh, wait, i just found that :
http://www.basejumper.com/...post=2965836#2965836
So you diss this guy because he like adrenalin and try to do business with that and BASE. Humm, did i miss something. It's not good to do that kind of bashing with Jeb, but OK with this guy ... ???


Don't think so, we are legion


Now i stop chatting here, NSA is recording everything

Oh, somebody is knocking at my door .. yess ... BLAM

Honestly, I think MontBlanc has some good points, but he's presenting them in a manner that alienates many people.

Jeb is a good friend of mine, and I like him a lot. That said, I really don't pay attention to 90% of the high profile media stuff that BASE jumpers are doing these days, and I'm sure if I dug around I'd find lots of stuff Jeb has done that I'd find distasteful.



However, MontBlanc has made the mistake of antagonizing an American. The NSA is now monitoring his conversations, and we will be sending a CIA rendition team to take him to Guantanamo Bay very soon.

Plus, he's French. There's really nothing worse than being French. Unless it's being French Canadian.

I think in the past people like Patrick De Gayardon, Ueli Gegenschatz, Robert Pecnik, Espen Fadness etc have managed to give quite insightful interviews that didn't seem to be aimed at gloating and boasting the lethal side of this sport, and not making every single basejumper look like someone who is just eager to flirt with death. Nor do they ridicule their audience at every available oppertunity for 'working a mindless 9 to 5 job in front of a desk'. Look at Polli gathering a huge audience, and he's not talking about dying every 5 seconds either (mostly about vaginas, sand, mongoloids and retardation)

It would be nice to see the focus of one of the media stunts be the actual flight/stunt itself.
For sure its a way, but by all means you CAN interact with media without the darkness and negativity.

*edit*
As an added side-note. Its a good and (you cant deny) super funny recovery on an exit that could have ended in something worse. We just had a guy have a similar slip on Brento last weekend, and he luckely slid right into flying as well. Good to see it not result in injury. Watch that footing on exit..

There's a fine line to walk there.

There's no doubt that BASE is dangerous, and it's important to present a balanced view of it, so that people aren't shocked when an accident happens (because they had the false impression that it was safer).

Honestly, I think that it's hard for one person to present the full picture, so I don't think it's a bad thing to have people presenting different views to the public.

+1 !!

Having the "darkest man in base" repeating how being close to death and danger saved him from suicidal thoughts and made him love life again in countless interviews hasn't exactly made basejumpers look good in the media... Sure it will sell, that's what freakshows do. So when someone who dedicates time, money and a lot of passion and emotion into the most beautiful sport on earth gets a little pissed of because some jumpers portray it like a near-death experience every time and always talk about how super-afraid they are but that the reward is in them controlling the fear etc... it gets so old so fast.
If jumping made your life worth living that is awesome! But do we need to hear it all the time? Maybe not. And while Jeb might be putting on an act and be the sweetest guy around IRL, he is also doing that extreme-dark-death-diver-jumper thing. One does not exclude the other...

Oh and btw, this thread can be summed up in three words:
First world problems!
Just get out and jump for fucks sake!!

BASE jumping is a near-death experience.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is not clear on the concept.

Most of us get scared or even "super-afraid" sometimes, especially when pioneering sites or doing something different at an old site.

Anyone who doesn't is not clear on the concept.

Whuffos think first and foremost about the danger, not the opportunity, so of course those are the questions that come up over and over again.

Reporters reprise previous interviews, too. They see pithy quotes in a previous interview and want the same content for their own, so they ask the same questions because for their audience, it's the first time they're hearing it.

As for someone detailing for audiences how they found a path out of suicidal depression, and how they deal with fear to accomplish their dreams, well, that may get old fast for all you people who never have a bad day (or week or year) and never once let fear stop you from reaching for a dream, but there are ten times ten thousand times as many people out there for whom such messages are inspiring, and give them hope, and even motivate them to follow the same path in their own way and at their own level of risk.

Because, you know what? Whether we like it or not, and whether we seek it or not, we are all role models and inspirations for the vastly larger number of people who seldom or ever in their lives get experience the joy and power and pleasure we feel when we're dancing on the edge of the envelope.

Jeb personifies that joy and power and pleasure for millions of people around the world. Mark Twain said it this way:

"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."

Eleanor Roosevelt followed up on that a few decades later, apparently in anticipation of this thread:

"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."


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Well for me it is the most fulfilling and joyous thing there is. Guess I'm not clear on "the concept"... I firmly believe and know that it can be executed in a relatively safe way (jumping is dangerous) which has kept me and many others, for thousands of jumps, out of harms way. For sure some of the thrill comes from it being dangerous, but for me 98 percent of "the concept" is being out in the mountains, alone or with my good friends trying to hit that sweet spot where your body flies in the mountains. I think "the concept" you are talking about is called Russian Roulette? And motivational quotes and speeches are awesome but seldom reflect real life. And most people have had a bad day or few, who are you trying to fool

Newsflash: basejumping IS a near-death experience, EVERY time.

And for me, personally, I AM "super-afraid" everytime, and the reward (for me) is controlling and overcoming that fear.

YMMV.

How about everyone join forces and figure out how to decriminalize it.

Absolutely spot on,

I get a little tired also of people continuing to highlight BASE as death defying, perhaps that's because I find it to be a highly personal experience and I hope to still be jumping long after it's lost it's media appeal,
Regards, B.

Are you suggesting that the Americans are being sensationalistic? I don't believe it

I do not know any basejumper living his passion as a near-death experience, sounds so weird. Where is pleasure then?
Anyway +1 with Montblanc.

We re not all in basejumping by the same way and for the same reason so we have to stop judging other, they re no one truth, no one is wrong or wright, this is liberty to find in base what we want. If people speak who care? You really think Jeb have the power to change anything in base? For lot of people outside we re crazy guy and personnaly i don t care, i don t need to be loved by anyone i don t know. Closing exit or forbidden base? It s not 2/3 interview or video on yt who ll change anything...

Astronauts face far worse statistics than basejumpers. Yet none serm to go on board a shuttle to conquer fear or cheat death.
They seem mostly interested in the amazing experience/wonder (next to the science goal).

Death runs through many aspecs of ones life, but I think for many people its not the motivation or fear. Its simply a reality you accelt, and than move on to enjoy life. Instead of rolling around in the negative emotions and letting those control you.

But guess it varries per person..

MontBlanc,
I didnt diss AdrenalineBeast in anyway.

Thinking more about your orignal post, It occurred to me that there is a Neurotypical term for this that is used in UK English.
Schadenfreude (German), is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others. This word is a loanword from German, the direct English translation is 'Damage-Joy' or 'Fail-Joy', it is the feeling of joy when one sees another fail.
If it rocks your boat, by all means go for it. I do agree that if anyone seeks the eye of the public/media they can expect rocks to be thrown at them. But I expect something more original from you than Schadenfreude. I am not very Neurotypical so it is not even in the same Universe of things I deem acceptable for me.
Take care,
space

Honest question: Do you have a reference to those statistics?

But you do try to win something you perceive as a forum war, by labeling others with personality traits as Schadenfreude (skadefryd in norwegian ) hehehe... at least it kinda comes across that way. Pride is a beautiful thing!

I dont perceive this as a war, or even an argument. It jjust kinda hurts to read that someone seems to be enjoying someone potentially fatal mistake in this sport. I dont govern the future of the sport. But I see the comradery of the BASErs slipping away.
I havent labeled anyone either. I just posted the term that describes this type of behavior.
Take care,
space

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents

If you read in wiki, about five percent of all who have been launched have been killed, 4.1 of that us deaths, .9 Russians, lots of training deaths too, 439 have participate in space flights 22 dead
But trying to compare how dangerous snake dancing is with being a slutty wife in a Muslim country doesn't make make a good comparison of religions in my book.

Don't worry Space, you're still an American. If things get too heated we'll send in the CIA to "render" these upstart Europeans to Guantanamo.

being american won't save your ass from a good rendering if you get yourself on the wrong list

wtf is wrong with u ppl?!

nobody died nobody got even a scratch.. the "takeoff" does look super funny.. so why not have a good laugh?!!! want it or not, this hilarious footage will end up in dozens of "fail compilations" on utube and animated gifs

geez.... base jumpers these days = IDQ*

:-P





* internet drama queens

If someone puts themselves out there in the public domain and you rip them off I consider it fair game. But to seek out that section of the video, post it on a public base forum and make those comments seems a bit malicious to me, I consider that being dick.

Yeah it was funny, laugh at it and move on, no need for a mass debate and long ass posts.

I searched far and wide for a clever answer to rour reply to no avail. But I did find this ;-)[/;)]
Take care,
space

Flower power ?? Everybody is nice in the nicest world ?
Every way is a good way ? Such immature man ... And if you really think this, just do what you say to others, leave people think what they think even if they don t think your way.

+ 1.
It sound so weird to feel death all around base !!!
For me it s so much about fun friends and mountains , i cannot understand this suicidal tendencies or death stuff . There are psychologist and medics for this.

Hey guys, I love you Space and agree with you. We're all BASE jumpers. Jeb, ego or not, has accomplished more shit than most of us in our whole jump careers. I started way back Jan 1, 82 when it was pretty experimental. The main ingredient was adrenaline and logic. We pushed it for awhile with shitty gear, but then it got better. Corliss, like him or not, has helped get our story out there. I have spent time with Jeb and he's a super nice guy who has a great big picture approach to the world. Most of what he has done has been good for the BASE image. If your goal is more legal sites and events, then we have to get more visibility so we become more "normal". Not sure that is how the sport should go. I know some who thinks it's best underground to control who does it. I totally understand that position with some of the 50 jump newbies getting numbers. Tough question, but our mission is to connect as many new BASE jumpers as they wish to the beginning of this ultimate sport. So folks, get some jumps, do it right and join the coolest club around.
Rick