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Any experiences, comparisons and so forth ?

Easiest rig for a beginner to pack. Thinking in the realms of perig.pro, gargoyle, dp, summit?

I have packed everything but the summit all about the same as far as im concerned its just a container with a pin closure. It might be a bit difficult for you at first if its a tight fit untill you get down canopy management.

OMG !

please go buy a dimebag of common sense and smoke that shit.

2 closing loops
4 flaps
6 grommets
one cover flap that either tucks or wraps

how the hell can one complicate that combination ?

And for fuck's sake - the only action verb that should be used towards a "regular" (i.e. non-TL/floorplate style) container is closing. And closing a 2pin container is god damn simple.

in short, I recommend going to the DZ for a bit more time. And spending time researching/READING (asking to be spoonfed is neither)

In my experience, beginners find it easiest to pack the major 2 pin rigs in this order:


Apex DP
Adrenalin Zak 2
Asylum Perigee Pro
Morpheus Gargoyle


Basically, as you go down that list, they go from loosest and easiest to tightest and hardest. It's really pretty easy to close any of them with only a little bit of practice, though.

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Apex dp

Re: [veryformal] first rig - easiest to pack ?

Easiest to pack or close? You pack a canopy and close the container. Any container is going to be difficult to close if your pack job, you know, the folded up canopy, isn't dialed in.

In my own opinion a beginner, on his own, like you obviously are, not having a dialed in pack job, could lead to disaster. PC(pilot chute) in tow, or a horseshoe, neigh, not what you are thinking, it's when your canopy comes out of the container while you are in freefall and the PC(see above) stays in the BOC(Bag of chalk)(just kidding, Bottom of Container).

Now if you had a Velcro container, then your pack job could suffer a little bit until you got it down pat. But then again, garbage in, garbage out! But as long as you follow the three basic principles of packing you should, and I use that term lightly, be OK, as long as you are on a forgiving object, like a beginner should be.

And one more thing, There isn't a beginner rig, this sport offers no forgiveness to ANYBODY! Not me. Not you. BASE could kill you easily on your 1300th jump or your first jump. Read the BFL, there are first time jumpers on the list. In skydiving you have a big ass container with all kinds of safety switches, levers, flaps and releases and bells and whistles, two canopies, and a computer all safely put in place right in between two veteran instructors who are there to literally hold your hand. Absolutely none of which is offered in BASE.

So, back up and start over. Forget about tracking pants for a while and read!

Start here and here

In my very little experience ZAk2 its very very easy to close!

Can I pack my own reserve tarp in my base container or do I need a rigger to do that for me

Sure. But unless its a raven series, the bridle attachment may get tricky.

gonna have to agree 100% with P's response on this one.

never have i considered it a varying degree of difficulty when it comes down to particular containers. there is nothing complex about any BASE container, and i've owned many of them, closed about all of them.

This is what I can tell from my personal experiance, my jump mates and students:
A hard(as in not soft) rig without dynamic corners and with long closing loops. And pack it within 24 hours of opening.

Umbrellas are the easiest to close, I suggest starting there.

I can make a reserve on a Wings skydiving container look good. I dislike them immensely. Difficulty rating equals high.

BASE rigs are simple designs. You need to be very good at being dumb to scew one up. Rigging skills are mandatory in BASE however people skate by with out it.

+1 (on hating 'em)

Rigging skills are mandatory in BASE however people skate by with out it.

+1

In the containers you mentioned, what everyone said is true, they're all very similar and all very simple to close. Assuming they all had proper fitting canopies, the perigee pro, dp, and zak 2 are very easy to close. Gargoyle and Summits are typically a tighter fit, but still basic two pin closing. Summits, Heliums, etc. have the option to close them using the closing loop on the back pad, which can make it a little more difficult.

 Zak2 ! I could pack it even I'm not a BASE Jumper .

Oh whatever. Garbage.

All modern non-floorplate containers without open corners are identically ready to pack. Merlin being the exception.

Not a BASE jumper? Shut the fuck up.

Peter actually knows how to pack and has an astounding amount of book knowledge and a small amount of practical knowledge. As brilliant as he is, He doesn't always know when not to speak up.

Don't ever buy a rig looking for a rig easy to pack. That's just dumb. Learn how to rig your shit properly first so its easy.

I don't pack, i just bought a rig from vid666, crashed into a tower, then have hookitt laugh at me. Rinse and repeat.

Sorry, I'm not a BASE Jumper, But I'll be one in future. that's why I'm here.