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Hi,

Couldn´t find anything on this. Was wondering if anyone with experience on this deployment could help me out with some info. The selection of objects to do stuff like this of off in the area are limited so;

Heading? As a tard, or better? In my mind it might be a bit more on heading

Minimum altitude? Would 300ft be fairly safe?

The idea is to use pillars or free standers (A). Done tards, roll-overs, flips, barrels.. And usually I stick to the local info system, but on this there is none. Appreciate any constructive input :)

Worse than a TARD. As you roll over it, it can start to spin randomly.


300 feet is plenty.


The best condition to do a TARD-over in is a headwind, which is going to be the worst for jumping something you can hit.

Do you just want to have the experience of doing the TARD-over? Or is there a more elaborate plan behind wanting to?

Have done many tardovers from bridges, pillars and cliffs all sub 300'. I prefer them over tards because its always more fun to flip when you can, and in my experience i have had no real difference in heading performance between the two techniques. I have used all my canopies for both techinques and always seem to be on heading either way with my BJ or Seven or Ace, even my Raven4 has been all right. My lowest tardover was 180' span, but one of my crew member Charlie is fearless and throws them off of solid shit and lower shit successfully and consistantly. Mind you that we both took our time and worked our way down.

But there are different techniques with the set up for unpacked jumps, like i still stow my lines in the tail pocket, but Charlie doesnt, and i still use a tail gate, but some other friends i have dont. So sometimes the different techniques can produce different opening altitudes and heading performance.

But i have come to the mentality that its just always better to pack your shit up, and make a real base jump!!!

..This whole statement has sketchy written all over it. Good luck.

How so? What specifically is sketchy?

Mainly the tardovers on solid objects.. i have done many of both off of spans, but why would you do it off a solid object? The point doesnt seem to be there for me, and it seems sketchy.

cuz tard overs are off heading and line overs waiting to happen. just ask jill. yes they can be performed with relative consistancy depends on technique but its unpacked jumps shit happens

Not so sure about lineovers.. You should still use a tailgate. And you can make it a smart tardover by stowing the lines in the tailpocket..I guess some call it a smart tard. lineovers shouldnt be an issue. Just heading performance.

probably true I use a tailgate and do not stow the lines, the line overs ive seen Im not sure if a tailgate was used

Hmm... Maybe you should travel more. I have seen far sketchier things done Base Jumping in almost every other Crew, State, or Country Ive jumped in.

But i dont blame you for thinking that. 5 years ago i thought the same thing, but then i kept jumping, traveling, learning, practicing, watching, experimenting, and pushing my limits, and now I feel very comfortable performing a variety of different techniques, whatever they may be, from lower and more solid objects.

I like to call it "progression". hahahaha

I witness jumps made all the time that blow my mind away. I shake my head and say "Never would i do that"! And then sure as shit, 6 months to a yr later, Im doing it!

So I would not say its sketchy son, I would say its time and experience.

...nah. Its sketchy, but thats the good thing about base.. Is there is no DZO to tell you what to do. To his, his own. Good luck out there!

Dude, Really.. That can be said for the sport as a whole!

We call it the X-factor. You can do everything right, and still die. Its all part of the deal. Not just unpacked jumps.

It is present in all extreme adventure sports.

I'm with Wasatchrider on this one.

In my experience TARD-overs have worse heading than TARDs, which have worse heading than packed freefall jumps, which have worse heading than packed static line/PCA jumps.

Yes, I would agree with that. In most case.

I agree with both of you guys regarding the
relative order of heading performance with
the various deployment methods.

That said, I still did a Smart-Tard from a 180
foot building and would do it again, of course
the LZ was a beach and my vented wing has
become quite obedient in recent years.

PS: Smart refers to setting breaks, using a
tailgate, using the tail-pockets, etc. versus
the popular/sketchy spaghetti factory style.

Are people doing them without brakes now?

Tard-overs are great fun. I especially like it when I have enough altitude to hold on for a Mary Poppins (which decreases your heading performance even more.)

Something I see happen frequently is that people do sketchy/stupid stuff and sometimes get away with it (not just in base.) After they get away with it, then they and others start to believe that it wasn't as sketchy as it really was, and then when their luck runs out they have an accident.

BASE jumping is sketchy; get over it. Honestly, I would trust either of these guys doing tard overs to many others doing flat and stables.

It is like anything else. If you know the jump, know the conditions, and have the experience, then you are capable of safely pulling off things that might not be safe for others.