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How would you classify a chimney?
Just for my curiosity (maybe already debated but I didn't find the posts about).
According to the golden rule: the winds go around, so it is a B.
Adding some more consideration (I don't know if eligible to judge classification):
- there's no people in
- a 180 off is to the object but easier to avoid
- access is much easier, landing could be urban or country yard
Do these points make it a O?
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
I have an easy classification, If it has a toilet in it I call it a B Tongue

I would say O then.
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
I would call it an "O". But its your journey, do whatever you want. I know some people who used a smokestack to qualify for BASE.
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Re: [Halfpastniner] classify a chimney?

Personally in my logbook it would also be an "O".
I'd definitely jump because I want to add more
unique objects to my list, but would NOT consider
it a legit "B" for your number, just my opinion.
The toliet rule sure makes the analysis simple.
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Re: [dan_inagap] How would you classify a chimney?
dan_inagap wrote:
I have an easy classification, If it has a toilet in it I call it a B Tongue

I would say O then.

I agree in classifing it as O but... so a skyscraper under construction (the toilet doesn't work yet) is not B? Frown

@green machine, my question was for curiosity than for qualifying the number
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
There are two different systems of classification. Under one it is an 'A' and under the other it is a 'B'.

The "Wind" system calls it a 'B':

If the wind blows under it, it's an S.
If the wind blows over it, it's an E.
If the wind blows through it, it's an A.
If the wind blows around it, it's a B.


But the "shape" system would make it an A:

A horizontal line is an S.
A solid shape is a B.
A flat plane is an E.
A vertical line is an A.


If you absolutely felt compelled to pigeonhole it, I'd say it's an A.

Personally, though, I'd call it either 'C'(himney) or 'O'(ther) depending on which letter I needed to complete the alphabet. Wink
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
Naod wrote:
According to the golden rule...

I always thought the Golden Rule was "don't sleep with your buddy's girlfriend unless he's sleeping with yours."
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Re: [TomAiello] How would you classify a chimney?
On quite a few construction/building websites a chimney is ranked as a B.
However, I just write chimney in my logbook, that is what it is after all....
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Re: [TomAiello] How would you classify a chimney?
TomAiello wrote:
There are two different systems of classification. Under one it is an 'A' and under the other it is a 'B'.

The "Wind" system calls it a 'B':

If the wind blows under it, it's an S.
If the wind blows over it, it's an E.
If the wind blows through it, it's an A.
If the wind blows around it, it's a B.


But the "shape" system would make it an A:

A horizontal line is an S.
A solid shape is a B.
A flat plane is an E.
A vertical line is an A.
what would you call the Russian/Ukrainian Woodpecker mentionned in the other thread ?
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Re: [piisfish] How would you classify a chimney?
piisfish wrote:
what would you call the Russian/Ukrainian Woodpecker mentionned in the other thread ?

Personally, I'd call it a 'W'. Because it's super cool, and how hard is it to get a 'W'?
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Re: [Halfpastniner] How would you classify a chimney?
Halfpastniner wrote:
I know some people who used a smokestack to qualify for BASE.

Those people are retards. It's an O.
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Re: [Spiderbaby] How would you classify a chimney?
Spiderbaby wrote:
Halfpastniner wrote:
I know some people who used a smokestack to qualify for BASE.

Those people are retards. It's an O.

well yeah. i tend to agree!
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
Okay, I'm from the old school so this is how I would look at it.

If the Chimney has a large enough circumference to match a true B, than call it one. If the Chimney is only 20' diameter or so, call it an A (Freestander).
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
The flicka of skin ask a 5 year old rule :"Hey kid, is that a building?"

I classed all my chimney/concrete tower jumps as O....

I think your are cheating yourself slightly in using a chimney or similar as a B for the word / first B jump, as deep down in your heart, you know you havent just jumped a building, and what in general a building means...

In the end, who cares.... Smile

If you havent seen it on the UK board, interesting thread about the A to Z of BASE objects...

http://www.basejumper.org/...rd/10123-a-to-z-base

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From Sabre210:

There is a history to this idea and it stems back to around 2003 with an idea floated by Neil Queminet. I suppose it was never satisfying to have only B A S E and the all encompassing O for everything else with which to classify the objects of our desires. BASE seemed to have so much more to offer in terms of different and varied launch platforms and jump types. And so with a nod to the acronymic history of BASE and a tongue firmly set in cheek, I offer you the UK premiere of an A to Z of BASE as imagined but never fully verbalised by our dearly departed Neil.

I would like to point out just a few small things first.

1.First off, this has been given a lot of consideration and hasn't just been pulled out my arse in a moment. As i said, Neil was throwing out these ideas many years ago and even after his death much thought was given towards objects and what makes each so different.
2.Secondly, there is no self interest in this list. I never came close to being able to lay claim to one of every category and were i still active i dare say i wouldn't even be trying to complete it. Would be interested to know if anyone has completed it though!
3.Thirdly, letters like B anc C are hugely overscribed whilst you try finding an object type beginning with X. Thus, some creative interpretation and poetic license was required. Not all letters are objects, some are a type of jump. Where you see a letter with a number affixed (B1, B2),both/all parts are required to qualify for the letter, When you see (alternative) in brackets it's an option to qualify by jumping either /or.
4.Fourthly, don't get your panties in a lather if you can't spot a certain object type, like Antenna. It might be more fancifully described further down the list. It goes without saying that not all objects are covered here. Sadly Grain silos, the vast array of different bridge construction types, the plethora of unique building shapes simply had to be condensed into broader categories.
5.Fifthly, i have included some stipulations and they are included for good reason. Not all antennas or buildings were born equally. Some have unique dangers, quirks which set them aside from others. Whilst specific in some respects they are not site specific. Anyone the world over could, with a small amount of travelling, dedication and (most importantly) skill, achieve this. There are hundreds of objects that would qualify for each and every letter.
6.Lastly, no one said it would be easy and it is just a bit of fun. If someone is stupid enough to take on jumps beyond their capability just so they can attempt to put a tick in a box, well i guess they might end up in a box.



If anyone wishes to share a story pertaining to an jump or object listed then please do so, but be respectful of the no site-naming rule towards objects that might still be being jumped or may be jumpable still.

Without further ado, i present.......the A to Z of BASE. Let the genital measuring and bragging rights begin.



1.A - Amusement Park Ride (Rollercoasters, Ferris Wheels, Fun rides but excludes bridge-based bungee platforms)
2.B1 - Building (Under Construction) B2 - Building (Residential & occupied) B3 - Bridge
3.C - Chimney (aka Smokestack)
4.D - Dam
5.E - Electricity Pylon / Power Tower (tower carrying high voltage power lines)
6.F - Fortification (includes any ancient Castle Walls, Citadel walls or Watch Towers, Forts, Fortresses, Follies, Military gun emplacement bunkers)
7.G - Gas Tower
8.H1 - Hotel (Open for Business and occupied) H2 - High Street / Highway Jump. (any jump which requires landing on an ordinarily busy road or street and which requires jumping with groundcrew to stop traffic or jumped with precision timing to avoid traffic.
9.I - Inside jump. Any jump performed into a completely enclosed area (with roof) ensuring protection form external winds and which can be secured by keys. (i.e. Cathedral, Arena/Stadium with roof, Hangar)
10.J - Jailhouse jump. (A jump undertaken with security/police already alerted and waiting in the suspected landing area. Whether you were caught or not is another matter.) J (alternative) - Jock Jump. From a stadium/arena into a sporting venue.
11.K - Kinetic Jump - any jump where the exit point is moving relative to the landing area, including conveying apparatus or vehicles (Moving cable car, truck on a bridge, ski-lift, rotating Ferris wheels) But must still be a fixed object jump (ie not a skydive with base gear)
12.L - Lifting Apparatus (Tower Cranes, Dock Cranes, Elevators or similar)
13.M - Monument or Statue. (Any Jump from a Memorial erected to commemorate a person, place or significant event)
14.N - Natural (Any jumps from a natural structure: Cliffs, needles, natural arches)
15.O - Observation deck or Viewing Platform (Any jump from a man-made structure built at elevation for the purpose of providing panoramic views to the general public.) O (alternative) Oil rigs, or Oil platforms.
16.P1 - Pretext jump. Any jump which has been achieved after manipulating someone into allowing you access to an exit point/object which they would not have, had they known your true intention.
P2 - PCA (pilot chute assist: Any jump which has required the manual extraction of the canopy by another person, Includes Direct bag jump).
17.Q - Quasimodo Jump. (from any Cathedral / Church / Mosque or other religious building)
18.R - Radio Transmitter (With Guy Wires) R2 - Radio Transmitter (Freestanding)
19.S1 - Suicide barrier jump. (Any publicly accessible exit point which requires the scaling of fencing erected specifically to prevent suicides. These are above and beyond hand rails.
S2 - Static line jump (Any Jump requiring the use of breakcord or tape to assist deployment.) S3 - Slider Up jump (Any Jump with the slider packed up)
20.T - Tree (where the jumper's feet exit from a living tree. Can be on the edge of a cliff) T (alternative1) Trebuchet - catapulted or slingshot to deployment height T (alternative 2) Trapeze - using a rope swing to exit from.
21.U - Underground jump (Any jump into a cave, quarry or hole which is below ground level, has limited visibility, limited space for canopy flight and where the landing area is generally inaccessible without specialised equipment.
22.V - Vampire jump. Any BASE jump using a winged suit (includes prodigy but excludes tracking suits without wings)
23.W1 - Windmill or Wind turbine
W2 Window Jump (any jump requiring a direct exit from an opening window).
24.X - A jump from a Hospital (X-ray) or incinerator stack attached to a hospital
25.Y - YOU and only you. Solo jump: no witnesses, no groundcrew, no jump buddies.
26.Z - axis jump. Any jump with an intentional aerial manouvre. (Gainer, front loop, barrel roll etc)
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Re: [Mac] How would you classify a chimney?
Robbie will LOVE the fact that in this alphabet a Vampire is the common name for a wingsuit.

Can you combine letters? A cave rates as a N and a U.
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Re: [Mac] How would you classify a chimney?
excellent, beautiful Alphabet Jumping Smile
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Re: [TomAiello] How would you classify a chimney?
So according to the shape rules, if there would be a building which is very very very wide (so significantly wider than high), would you then call it an E?

I think chimney is B. Very, very narrow but still B. You don't jump chimneys in high winds (or I don't :-) ) and you jump antennas in high winds. So B
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Re: [skow] How would you classify a chimney?
skow wrote:
So according to the shape rules, if there would be a building which is very very very wide (so significantly wider than high), would you then call it an E?

I think it would still be a B because it's a three dimensional solid, not a flat (2 dimensional) plane.

But, really, who cares?
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
dirty
scary
dark
fun
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Re: [Mac] How would you classify a chimney?
Love the list. It'w funny and spoofs all the creative labeling. Hey, you guys can log whatever you want on a chimney, but to use it as a B to qualify for a BASE number, I already posted that a B is a B, just ask a 10 year old. When this all started, Carl and later I tried to make sure every object fit into one of the 4 letters. The biggest reason is we were all still skydivers jumping skydiving gear and no one really wanted to have to jump stuff below 500 feet. So rather than jump a low B downtown, some' would go do a remote power plant with a chimney. We devised these "artificial" tests as to what would make it a building, but a rose by any other name... First, It's just not the same hazard, like a real building. It doesn't feel the same as a building and everyone who has done a real building knows it.. With today's gear that can safely jump from 20 stories, there is no excuse for trying to substitute a chimney for a building. So, log it as you will, but you need to find a real building to qualify for the B to get your BASE number. Keep it safe out there, in other words:
Drive Fast Take Chances.
Rick
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Director, USBA
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Re: [Naod] How would you classify a chimney?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test
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Re: [RickHarrison] How would you classify a chimney?
RickHarrison wrote:
...just ask a 10 year old.

When I get this question from a student in a class, I try to get a picture and show it to my daughter (she's turning 7 next month) to get the definitive ruling.
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Re: [TomAiello] How would you classify a chimney?
Merry Christmas Tom, happy holidays or whatever is politically correct these days. Personally I like Santa Claus since he flies a really cool sled and does so with no parachute. Also to all you crazy participants in one of the most life changing sports into which any human can venture.
Rick
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Re: [RickHarrison] How would you classify a chimney?
Good discussion and classifications, although the bottom line seems to always be: it's impossible to define specific boundaries, just use common sense.

The same way I see a lot of videos of wingsuit proxy jumps from helicopters. Yes it's with BASE gear and it's feet from the ground, but technically it's a skydive. I wonder if you can log them in skydiving logbook :) What about from the plane with BASE rig? What if it's from the wall, but with skydiving rig?
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Re: [andymarch] How would you classify a chimney?
I've done plane and heli jumps with a BASE rig and I call them skydives. I've done all 4 objects several times with skydiving rigs and I call them BASE jumps. I was kidding guys in Italy and Croatia last week that I'm starting a new set of BASE numbers called, "freefall skydive BASE". You have to do all 4 objects using skydiving gear and no DB's or static lines, all freefall. I would allow a big pilot chute on lower than 1000'. We';d probably get some takers.
Rick H
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Re: [RickHarrison] How would you classify a chimney?
RickHarrison wrote:
I've done plane and heli jumps with a BASE rig and I call them skydives. I've done all 4 objects several times with skydiving rigs and I call them BASE jumps. I was kidding guys in Italy and Croatia last week that I'm starting a new set of BASE numbers called, "freefall skydive BASE". You have to do all 4 objects using skydiving gear and no DB's or static lines, all freefall. I would allow a big pilot chute on lower than 1000'. We';d probably get some takers.
Rick H

that is why its a bad idea. dont tell this to nick burden you dont think he can see this post do you?
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Re: [RickHarrison] How would you classify a chimney?
RickHarrison wrote:
I've done plane and heli jumps with a BASE rig and I call them skydives. I've done all 4 objects several times with skydiving rigs and I call them BASE jumps. I was kidding guys in Italy and Croatia last week that I'm starting a new set of BASE numbers called, "freefall skydive BASE". You have to do all 4 objects using skydiving gear and no DB's or static lines, all freefall. I would allow a big pilot chute on lower than 1000'. We';d probably get some takers.
Rick H


I've heard Triathlon 135's are good.


*****

p.s While you're on it, you could start the Un-documented BASE numbers too

Probably not too many people who started jumping this decade that would have U.D.BASE yet.

(B,A,S,E without a single go pro or videocamera or any outside camera or stills)



So far I only have E
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Re: [MrHey] How would you classify a chimney?
scary