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Ok everybody here we go.

We are planning to do a 50m building jump and are looking for tips on, packing, opening, etc.

static line for sure I guess but any constructive comments bienvenue.

although its sure we are going to steer the pot here.

best to all!!!!

unpacked so that the canopy is already open when you jump off!

rollover ;)

So my tips would be pack properly, preferably slider down and open on heading? Seriously speaking wha kind of tips are you expecting to receive? If you have some specific questions, maybe post them? Or if you really need to ask from the internet how to pack overall for a 50m B, maybe you should reconsider the whole idea of making this jump?

If you are really looking for constructive comments you may consider adding some details to your profile.

How accurate is your measuring devise?

I have never jumped a 50m B and i never will

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5TZgvIz14

did a 55 meter chimney and if i had to do that again i wouldn't go with my old unvented fox anymore. other than that the apex method of setting up a staticline jump with breakcoard works really well

be safe

static line or dbag or tard

pack normally

bring a vented canopy and be ready for a a short-ish canopy ride

50m (164ft) isn't really that low.

This.

@Original Poster: You'll be fine.

I wouldn't do a TARD because I'd worry about the heading performance. Pack normally and do a static line and you'll be fine.

As long as you can properly rig a static line and flair you'll probably be fine, however reading this has me a little concerned.

"We are planning to do a 50m building jump."

The "We" in that statement sure makes it seem like a group of very inexperienced jumpers are kinda just winging it, hoping for the best. If there isn't a voice of reason or at least of someone with more than 20 potato jumps worth of experience on the load, you might want to reconsider.

But yeah, most likely you will all survive long enough to fracture a pelvis and get arrested on a 520' freestander.

Land downwind!

If you have (as you at this point should have) done a 80m, 70m and 60m B jumps you should already know what to expect and prepare for.

V

+1 for progression.

I think you should ask your Mentor this question.

And if he doesnt have the proper answer for you, then he shouldnt be mentoring!

Oh, and if you dont have a Mentor, like maybe you went through a FJC or something, then this is a perfect example of how FJC's dont properly prepare you for anything other then a bridge!

Also, just asking this question about how to jump a 50 meter object shows me that you are either to lazy or to stupid to just spend an hour and search the forums for related articles and posts. There is so much info on these archives that will answer every single question you have about how-to jump low objects, multiple ways of setting-up SL, different ways to PCA, best canopies to use when jumping low objects, so-on and so-on.... Dont be a lazy punk, search,read,learn, then, at that point, your last step should be...... Go ask your Mentor!

Good Luck!

Don't look down when you push.
After unstowing, 1\2 brakes until you get a clear visual of your trajectory in your head. If you panic\screw it, keep it at half brakes and flare from that(PLF).

 

Bad, bad idea

Just out of curiosity, which country is that?

 

Mate you should probably pre-register yourself on:

http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/wiki/BASE_Fatality_List

But seriously, Unvented foxes open like old people fuck, slowly and painfully...

If the building is in the center of a flat grassy field it would STILL be a bad idea [for you based on what your posts indicate].

I'm guessing there are some obstacles to hit (remember to take in to account possible off-heading openings? Do you know what would happen if you snagged lines on a light pole, collapsed your canopy, and swung into a random orientation before slamming into unforgiving asphalt? A lot of canopy experience is needed to be able to turn and SUCCESSFULLY avoid obstacles on the ground WITHOUT your body swinging to the side. Do you have adequate canopy experience?

you are seriously rolling the dice with your f.f..f...f...fox there. If your canopy has a good day it will save your ass from that height and on other days it will just take whatever time it needs to inflate. anyway make sure your gopro is on cause you could make it to jackass with the video that comes out of the jump haha

haha no need for canopy skills when hanging just for a second under a partially inflated canopy.

What size canopy and what are you loading it at?

Use the right tools for the job: Vent's would be a good start.

 

if you are really that desperate for a jump, climb with a large sandbag and toss it off a few times under that rig, and afterwards make a decision if you want to replace the sandbag with soft and cushy (and very crunchy) human.

But judging by the quality of your posts, you probably live under a bridge, why not jump that instead ?

hmmm.. Your either an imbecile or a troll. Either way; quit being a pussy and jump that shit already. Just make sure your red light is on before you exit.

Have you seen this video?
If I remember correct the object is 51 m, I bet the jumper will correct me if I'm wrong.

You must have some mojo to do a unvented jump of 50 m

Use the correct tool


Edit: dang! The link.
http://www.watchthybridle.com/...w-speed-deployments/

Having jumped an unvented fox 265 before, i would never take it off something that low.
If it had vents then absolutely.
Adding vents to a canopy is a lot cheaper than adding titanium to your legs.

You can send your canopy to Apex and have them vent it for just a few hundred dollars. Would be smart to do if you are gonna be jumping low alot.

To be fair he is posting from a pacific island (as he says) where the primary language is not english (so there is probably some language barrier at play here).

FWIW, my personal bullshit meter says he's honest about his intentions.

 

 

My spanish sucks, but I'll give it a go.

No vento, No bueno.

But I bet he knew a heck of a lot more about gear and rigging than you.

You don't see the problem here do you?

ur video link isn't working

Who gives a shit how honest his intentions are? This has no bearing on whether the jump in question is reasonable for the op's experience or equipment.

Worst case? He is unharmed until he tries it again or a third time thinking it's all good. Negative reinforcement is a bitch.

But fuck it, right? It's base. The only rule is that once your heart stops beating you're fucking dead.

I do.

If he's just randomly trolling, then there's no point talking at him either way.

If he's honestly going to try a jump, it makes a lot more sense to talk to him reasonably, with fair advice, rather than yelling at him.

I've done static lines from less than 50m on unvented canopies. I don't think this is a "he'll die for sure" sort of jump.

I Jumped a 57 meter bridge with a unvented canopy. once. Had there not been sand at the bottom of i would have broken my shit....

And you blame the canopy? Hmmm...

I see nothing wrong with low SL jumps with an unvented canopy if thats what you've got. To this day I have done more with an Ace than any other canopy I've owned. I would regularly freefall 250" with it and open at the same place or higher than my buddies flying OSP's. And they may have been pressurized and flying quicker, but it wasn't noticeable to the naked eye.

I'm not saying he'll die, I'm saying 60% chance of guaranteed tib-fem-rad-ulna-pelv within 3 jumps. I'm saying his mind is already made up and probably was as such when he came to the forum. He has asked a technical question but has shown no indication of legitimate analysis to the technical responses given, most likely because they are not the immediate answers he was baselessly imagining. And you're right, there is no point talking at him. Which is why I'm talking at you. Maybe we should start a poll describing either his chances of certain horrible disfigurement but with rad video, or let's all sit down for a kumbayah.

Colorado's legal bitches!

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it is a certain low bridge that every one in Oz treats like a whore. I have seen that bridge free falled... a lot... on MOJOs....

Edit to add: You can fuck shit up a lot easier with out the vents though.

I looked at your building on google earth, using your posting IP and google searches to identify the only building in the area that reaches that height.

My biggest concern would be setting up the landing. I don't think you're going to be able to go into that park across the street, because the trees look too large.

Which means you're going to have to turn to land on either Fo.. or Jau... street. It looks like Jau... is a more major street that is more likely to have traffic, but it also looks wider. Are there power lines on either street? The satellite photo makes it hard to tell.

At any rate, the least you're going to have to turn under canopy (with an on heading opening) is 45 degrees if you exit from the corner of the building closest to the corner of Fo... and Jau... streets. I'm concerned that you may not have sufficient flight time on an unvented canopy to make the turn and still land. Because of the lag time to get the unvented canopy flying, I suspect you'll be landing in a turn. And that's if you can land on Jau... street. If you have to land on Fo... because of traffic or whatever, you're going to have to turn more like 135 degrees under canopy, which I think is not possible from this altitude on your gear.

It's hard for me to tell, but is the space between the building and Jau... street a small parking lot or a lower building? If it's a parking lot you might be able to sink in there, but the landing will be hard because you'll be sinking for accuracy. If it's a small building, that's going to reduce the available altitude from the exit point, so be sure to figure that into your calculations.

I assume you have been to the exit and measured straight down to know the actual altitude? You're not working off numbers on the internet or something, right? Because published numbers can be far enough off to make a real difference on something this low.

Hope that helps.

Nice!

This post is not aimed at you Tom, but to all.
IMHO, Vented can help keep your canopy inflated in a 180 object strike scenario. It is good for that only. And that aint much good. If the jump is so critical that one must decide between vented or unvented then maybe one should reconsider. My lowest db over land was 107ft/33m unvented. It was no prob. Though a 180 would have been a major prob because of the dive recovery of the canopy. Vented wouldnt help in this scenario. I worked with a student of mine and he did a FF from 107ft/33m. The video is here http://dsc.discovery.com/...lowest-base-jump.htm. Where could a vented canopy have helped him?
In the training he jumped so low that it cannot even be classified as a BASE jump. How low? the absolute minimum. With an unvented.
Vented has its place in object strikes. but it doesnt give you extra time to deal with a situation. only a better chance to deal with the aftermath of an object strike.
Take care,
space.

In my experience vents allow you to have control of the canopy earlier than none vented, so they enable the chance of avoiding object strikes if you get a 180 (and you are quick enough)
agree doesnt seem to me to add up to opening earlier or higher

Not just the fact that you can do that, but that you took the time to do that and respond with positive advise is amazing. You are the man Tom.

There's a whole argument to be had there (and I tend toward Space's line of thinking, personally).

Maybe if I have some time I'll start a thread in the Technical forum to discuss it.

Did you watch the video I linked to? How earlier do you mean? He was on top of the situation. Had control of the canopy. And didnt have vents. Tell me please, how vents could have helped him? Did you ever think that if he had vents, that the canopy could have flown him into the wall before he got control? ;-)

Each jump one does is specific. One must finish the equation. Maybe I can get his permission to post the low stuff that was done while practicing for heading control with an unvented. Give your estimate if you want for how low.
Take care,
space

You obviously have more jumps and experience than me.

However, isn't your buddy's forward speed a nice extra

added bonus no one can match even with a running exit?

I hadnt but I have now

I also checked out the checkthybridle video, and you can see the vents open solid and wing shaped and controllable straight away, non vented was skatey for a while before flying properly, and this matches my experience. you may be right it has no practical value though.

Though he had some fwd speed, the opening was pretty much the same speed as a normal freefall exit.
Just with some extra clearance.

Take care, space

http://offheading.com/videos/engine/swf/player.swf?url=../../data/video/let_them_play.flv&volume=100

Did I miss something about your post and the relevance of this video?

BTW, I would ff 100 foot objects all the time if I had a rocket powered pc, and a good canopy by 99 feet.

 

We hope it's not your last post.


At least some people were trying to be helpful, so please don't analize all of us.

Thanks!

Don't forget that all that additional exit speed from the motor bike will effectively increase inflation. He may not have been falling yet but his airspeed would have still been greater than if he had just stepped off the edge. Therefore you can not really compare this jump to low free falls and static line deployments.

The point is a 50m B is not a 57m S.

Too many of our very experienced friends die.

Learn from those b4 you.

Yes you did miss something. Just from memory, I think I asked how vents could have helped. As for the physics of the jump: His deployment speed was less than if you had done a 2sec delay.
As for the screen grab, That measurement is to the LZ. Not to impact. If you watch the clip, you notice that the motorcycle hits way higher, at 107ft.

As for thinking that it is as easy as firing off a rocket to deploy the canopy... hmmmmm.. I dont think so.You dont see the work that went into it. The PC was not to help the canopy deploy. It was to prevent the rocket from ricocheting back into the jumper and or canopy. We also ripped bridle attachments off due to the acceleration of the rocket after the container opened, during extraction, but before line stretch.
Other things we had to consider were stuff like ruptures due to the nature of aluminum alloys.
If you want to develop a system. I can give you your first step. The name of the compressed gas cylinder is "Cliff Impact" . I kid you not. Google it.
Take care,
space

 

Do you have an athlete page on FB yet? What's the link so we can follow your career!

Now you can update you profile and put that you have one jump

Where's the sweet youtube link, dude?

 

A version without sound so that it isn't blocked in the USA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-RuKL9K5Q8

Holy crap!

This one has been up for a while too. I don't know if the link still works though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S4jlZ9_3zo

I really hope you were joking about it being your first jump. Because it would be quite lame to deceive those "caring people" you are thanking. Let's hope you weren't looking for respect. Those helpful caring experienced people took the time and effort (especially Tom) to share an advice and part of their experience with you, whether they disliked you or not. Which in my opinion was super cool. Do you think you would've gotten the same response if you were honest from the start? Your progression is up to you in this unregulated sport, just don't lie and deceive. This action just disrespects this community. Think how these people would feel knowing they helped you with an advice if something happens to you on your second jump? Probably from 40m this time.
As I see it, these as you say "caring" people reached to you with a helping hand and got slapped on the face.
And if you were just joking it isn't funny. Think about those who will ask questions after you and how they potentially will get treated because of you.

Looking at his armmovements, I'm not sure he is joking....

 

$20 on nanrikkers please.

next time you should do the same building, but do a rear floater exit facing the building! that would be super sick video and mad respect!

Yeah definitely Hellis, he stalled his canopy into the ground from 50m? That is just silly. There is plenty of time to get your arms up, get forward speed and flare softly vents or not. I know this having now jumped from as low as 35m... And I had more forward speed and a better flare.

That brake pumping/arm flailing was ridiculous and comes from a lack of experience flying that (or possibly any other) wing enough.

Let us not even mention the head low exit...

I would definitely not be untoward in saying that this guy might earn the rank of #202 and I am certainly not the only person thinking it... I don't want that for anyone, but this just isn't safe man. Ever. But you have to try to minimize the risks.

I am sure enough people have said it, and you're all "awesome" and you "can do it on your own" because "you know yourself better than other people do" so you "don't need to listen to advice," but I strongly recommend you go get some more practice in the objectless environment and plan your jumps a bit more carefully in the future when you start jumping again. Clearly you need to fly that canopy a bit more, nanrikkers. Good luck and don't be 202. ...or any other number.

And a backflip floater PCA from between the legs WITH a 180'd pack job in the tray would be way cooler... It would totally work right?

 

Be careful. Your exit was very flat, and if you take more delay you will be extremely head low.

I'd recommend working on the exit body position before trying a freefall jump with a delay.

You want to be in a much more head high position--not flat--at something like 45 degrees or even higher for such a low jump.

It never ceases to amaze me how this classic case of too much too soon continues to replay itself over and over again.
Nanrikkers, what you're doing is way uncool, and shows that you lack the most basic of risk analysis and applied judgement.

And with the exception of the advice you've been given in this forum, you totally deserve what happens in your base "career".

im new but this was too funny to pass up

 

Can you please hurry up and go in already ? Reading your cocky and narcissistic posts is becoming very tiresome.

Thes phrase alone "I got only 35 skydives, so my canopy skills are not really good, but i can put a canopy wherever I want, even with strong wind. and I do. " automatically qualifies you as the top 3 for the 2013 Darwin Awards.

I also like the idea that he is bored with
SKY jumping after soo few jumps. Um,
wouldn't he or she become just as bored
with BASE jumping soon too ?!?

For a point of reference, I just recently
did a 48 meter or 160 foot jump and it
was low as fuck!!

3 guys on top of a B, each with 400 to 700
BASE jumps and all of us with 1,000+ SKY
jumps, and only 2 of us decided to jump it.

On the other hand, maybe NANRIKKERS is
a natural, perhaps he or she should try
Russian Roulette, could make some $$$.

Guys,

Give the guy some credit. He did what he wanted to do, made his own risk evaluation (this we can of course debate if it was correct or not) and pulled off the jump. I think that is essentially what base should be all about. Doing what you want to do and taking the responsibilit of the consequences. And not bitching about it on the internet if it was wise or not. Sure, it is cool to give advice and try to help people but I respect the guy. Probably not the smartest move to do but he followed his heart and pulled it off. Looked horrible but who cares, he achieved one of his dreams and goals in life. :)

And now he is in your neighborhood so he's your problem.

So I'm not the only one who got a PM ... right you are Boundz

Hey, I was going to sig that too!

What the heck?

I guess you guys really are assholes after all.

One goes quietly asking for help and you prefer to make fun of that person in public.
Well who has the ego now?

Whats the problem with wanting to jump without going via the standard ways?
what works for one does not mean it works for another.

Whats the problem with helping that person? instead of making fun of.

What the heck indeed?

I didn't think you were working your way down a list of online jumpers looking for one who gives you the answers you want to hear.

You contacted me and asked me questions, I gave you the answers. They might not be the ones you want to hear but they are definitely the ones you need to hear. Then when you don't get what you want you complain about it?

Seriously man, I was willing to hear you out but every reply you make shows a level of immaturity that shouldn't be associated with a sport that can cost you your life.

You know what, don't contact me again, I'm done giving you advice, so let me be the first to person to say what you want to hear. Go find a online slider up video, pack a rig and take a big WS off a cliff for your second base jump... ever. I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for.

Dude, I contacted the ones that gave me positive replies.
Dont need to be jealous :)
And I dont complaint about the type of replies, I just say that going publicly saying ohhhh, this guy contacted me privately asking for advice, thats just like wuss gossip in my book, and thats what I talk about.

you indeed told me that the 50m jump some time ago was not too low and gave me good advice, and I thanked you, but I guess, this is not even the place to talk about it.

Dont worry, I wont contact people like you nomore.
And about the video, I 've done it, it works, thanks.

Not sure who is in charge, but I'd like to put a $50 on nanrikkers.

Nanrikkers - would you like to borrow my Venom for the winter ? I am sure I will have ample time to get it back from the coroner and clean the blood/guts off in time for the 2014 season.

Vid, if you keep betting like that you're gonna loose all your money.

and no thanks on the venom, I get all I need from my good ol' fox here.
You can keep it after Im done though.
I'll put it on my will for ya.

> and no thanks on the venom, I get all I need from my good ol' fox here.

kindly reconsider sir. venom is much better than fox
venom always opens and on heading
venom never has lineovers tension knots blown brakes etc

replace your ol' fox with new venom today!

Hi again!

After burning myself really bad on this thread, I share what happened later in yr 2013 just for entertainment proposes and maybe some moral behind it that may still to be found. (if you are not looking for entertainment, stop reading, its a waste of time)

I know I got some people pissed off, sorry for that, and some others joking (love it), vid, I got to say I took your bet pretty seriously, and committed to survive 2013, Im still alive 2014/15, so you surely must owe some money to someone, somewhere.

After all the advice I received before and after my 1st jump (and decision to make it alive and jumping to 2014) I decided I would practice in a safer known spot, preferably an S. and welcome 2014 like so.

Found it in Oct 2013, in some country, that I just happened to be there, with some chance, after seeing countless youtube vids and googles, and with out luck on contacting the locals (because I burnt myself and did not know any, very impotent feeling), there I went.

Met a regular local on the spot and of course he did not like me showing up like so, but we talked and him being pretty cool, just asked me to do some basic safety things to keep him at peace.

Did some ok jumps, and met other jumpers that where really experienced there, of course I got shy of them and going after them in one jump, ended up in the trees (it was so obvious that they asked me if I did it on propose), then learned better, awesome people, but still, I did not talk much cause I didnt want to blow my already broken shell cover.

After being solo again, practiced some more and had great results, (finally got to know my canopy a little). Tested different delays, openings, toggle reach timing, and even a rollover.

But the talk at the bar was always the same sermon (of course being solo, there was no evidence of the jumps), so after thinking some more, decided well, if Im going to be a stubborn son of a gun, is better to find my own spots that none jumps, and keep learning out of research.

Whent back to my hometown in Argentina and started looking, there are heaps, but all kind of far away from my town, and without much time for vacation, I had to find some more technical, but closer ones.
(met my father in law in the process)
I found a really sketchy 80m canyon, up in the mountains in the middle of nowhere, narrow as fuck, but was confident about it (of course I was!).

So after searching for the best possible PC choice, and deployment, did some PC inflation testing in some grassy area (high tech stuff) and went for the right one.

Off we went that noon(with my father in law borrowed car and the feeling in my spine that driving that car wasnt the right thing, after just meeting the guy), I asked my GF to drive, of course, she did not have her drivers license on her, so I had to handle that beast myself).

Half way up there, doing merely 40k/h on the steep uphill higway, we where behind a line of 2 cars, with chiiiiiil bradda IZ music on the stereo, when the first car fell asleep and crossed the line to the oncomig traffig, hitting a downhill rolling oncoming truck (14 wheeler), right on the back axl of the semi and caused him to slide and head right to us. In a split of a second, and with the mountain cliff to my right, all I could do is accelerate and escape the “MAN” branded monster truck coming to us, doing awful tire skreetching noises... will allways remember, “MAN” letters right on my face, coming right to my left, he hit us hard, and by some miracle we did not go to the cliff, he did, but ended up without a scratch.

Knoked out but still hearing bradda IZ, I thought we miseed it! Then opened my eyes and my GF covered in blood face showed up, but she was ok, trying to release me from my seatbelt, stereso still going! So chill!! told her to get the hell out as I was sure this would be a multiple colision, she got out of the window and I finally undone the stucked setabelt (so much for safety this fuckers), had to go out of the same window too, as my door was all fucked, as I crawled out felt all those broken ribs and landed on the 40celcius sun and even hotter pavement. Hard as fuck to breathe with blood in my lungs and who knows what more, ambulance arrived 1 hr later (my nuts where over easy by that time, my back was medium rare).
They put me the stupid neck thing, even though I already crawled out of the window and had like 5 chances of being paralised, but did not have any Oxy, that was what I needed.
Nothing happened to anyone (lucky bastard the 2nd car on the line did not even got hit) but me, girlfriend only a scratch on the head.

Oh! I forgot, this happened, Friday the 13th/12/2013, lucky number?
short time after I started successfully jumping!
Vid you almost got me here.

Near xmass, all hospitals where full, and ended up in the busiest crazyest hospital of town, located right next to the worst crime town in the province.

As I got pushed in with the stretcher, 2 gun shot cases where waiting on wheelchairs, one of them drugged as fuck screaming that he wanted a stretcher, me having the only left (he was becoming more and more interested on it), cops where there making sure he does not escape (he apparently had to testify), shortly after his mom and friend showed up in an attempt to help him escape from the cops (his brother had a intestinal external pouch due to a stab wound from other time).
I am trying to make this short, but the whole situation almost ends up in a gun fight right at the hospital, cops hitting the crap out of the guy, mom pulling son, brother now in the ground with exploded puch and gut material all over the floor, my GF decided its the best time to go get credit for her cellphone!
And I just watchnig all this, hoping not to get shot or stabbed, not being able to move at all.

Doctor comes and tells me Im fine! I have to go home, only a few scratches! (he obviously did not have time for me) I mutter, no.. I got hit by a truck I have at least 5 broken ribs! I feel them, he makes me sit up and goes for them incrusting them even more in (motherfucker!) and some xrays later they decided I have to be interned in.
Spent the next 2 weeks at the hospital, 5 broken ribs, lung drainage, compromised kidney, pissing blood everywhere, with my bed next to another guy, that was stabbed handcuffed to his bed in an attempted robbery (he was the robber).
He was entitled plastic cutlery for his food, and asked me to borrow my metal ones every time after I was done. Lent them to him not being very sure what he was going to do with them, but probably being a better option than not giving them to him, ended up being cool guy and all he wanted was to cut his poultry better.
Some other scape attempt did happened from rooms next door though(this hospital is very known for this).
And freaking cops unpacked my parachute looking for drugs and left it in the car! Had to pull the broken glass all over my canopy, thanks a-holes!

Well, ended up making it and Im here today, jumping my own spots, being ethical on others.
But I keep thinking about the morals of the story...

1 Dont BASE on friday the 13th?
2 Dont drive your just met father in law's car?
3 Do a FJC that includes driving to the spot security measures?
4 Contact the locals?
5 Ride a pony?
6 Blame my poor PC choice? if I didnt take that much time playing with those stupid PC's I would have been earlier and ahead of that sleeping car!
7 Ask for F in law blessing before using his car? specially the 13th.
8 Wear body armour at all times?... that actually could have helped some

Sure thing I learned was (after this and many similar occasions), we never know when or where is going to happen, so we should not go crazy trying to control it too much, a little...ok, for the common good.
but man, dont rot away waiting for the perfect time!
And it sure was worth it! (there is no emo for exited-dog-like face)

Anyway, hope it was entertaining some, Im sure this happened before, getting hurt on the way to the exit point. would love to hear it.
(this post is meant for fun proposes and nothing more, tks)
Promise Im gonna go back to non long, meaningful posts after this.... or STFU
Great 2015! oops not there yet...

That is classic Boxing Day entertainment.

Thanks for posting.

I'm glad you had the photos attached because I WAS going to do the old: "vid or it didn't happen"... Ha!

Love it.

Frank.

Definitely the best Friday the 13th ever.

Would have been awesome to have some footage of the truck though, with bradda IZ backround music,