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What sucks to me is that Carl Boenish, BASE 4 - his dream of spreading the inspirational word of BASE jumping and his dreams of it are dieing. I donated money to Marah, with the hope she would bring Carl's visions to the world, but alas, there are jumpers now who don't care about his vision. I wish Jean and Marah would get off their butts and actually share some of their great works. If y'all don't do something about it, you and your efforts will be nothing more than a footnote in rare historical books.

I think you need to continue to be patient 460.

I meet Marah filming on Troll wall this summer.
The Carl project has support of the Norwegian system. I believe there is even funding coming from Norway to assist in the project as part of national history here.
Filming on this particular day was a reconstruction of the final jump from Carl.

This is a huge project but rest assured, quite a few people continue to work hard on this one.

Chris, I respect you but you are way out of line with this little rant.
You obviously have ABSOLUTELY NO idea what kind of BS this project has had to trudge through and the personal sacrifices Marah has endured and continues to endure for the project. I understand you donated a little money and feel you have the right to complain about the time it has taken but if anyone has any right to complain it's me since I have invested more money than anyone involved other than the Norwegian government, but you don't hear me bitching. Why? Because I know that things sometimes take more time than we expect and sometimes roadblocks keep things from moving forward smoothly like we would like them to. I know the issues that the film has confronted and they are not small, they require time, money and help from many people. Little, if any of which is coming from the BASE community. I don't think people realize the amount of time and money that is required to properly restore old films and make them into a coherent and palatable film for the world. It's not just going to be a bunch of old poorly restored clips haphazardly thrown together, it's going to be something great that deserves the time and care that is being taken with assembling this footage and the story of BASE.

So instead of complaining, why not call up Marah and ask her what you can do to help. Marah has been pretty much alone in saving Carl's legacy, laboring away at a seemingly endless amount of work for no money, with no help and little backing from the community that she is trying to share this stuff with. Honestly, sometimes I don't know why she continues to make the sacrifices she does. Most people would have abandoned this project long ago because of the headaches and personal commitment that has been required. We all should be grateful for her perseverance and dedication to a project that will never be able to pay back the time and money she personally has invested.

If you would like to discuss this more then PM me. I can give you a little more information regarding the progress of the film and any additional footage that has been saved and restored and will eventually be made available

Please think about retracting your statement since all it does is attempt to undermine the work that has already been accomplished and the future of the project.

No it doesn't. It brings attention to this ongoing project that has gone on- and off-track numerous times since starting so long ago that I can't even remember what year it was that Marah filmed her interview with me for it.

Chris is fundamentally right that they need to finish this - and not at some distant date down the road.

It's really effing simple, too: All your codependent enabling to the contrary, they have more than enough for "Carl Boenish I: The Early Years." Finish that, then do "CB II: Pioneer Days," and so on until they get it all done.

But they are flailing for a bunch of organizational and technical reasons I won't go into here, and having enablers such as yourself condone and support their flailing is far more undermining than 460's exhortation for them to get off their butts and get it done.

Intentions don't count.

Results count.

If the job's too big for them, then they need to bring more people into it, or hand off elements to someone else or, as I said, reconsider their presentation format and get "Carl Boenish I: The Early Years" out now.

Unlike you, however, i won't call you out of line for bagging on 460 the way you did, or suggest that you retract your statement because it enables dysfunctional behavior. That's because, as they say in the AI community, "intelligence emerges from the interaction of conflicting elements" and both of you have contributed toward that end with your respective perspectives, so thanks for taking the time to contribute to Marah's project.

In the meantime, maybe the largest investor other than the Norwegian governmetn ought to PM me since it's clear that he obviously has ABSOLUTELY NO idea how to actually reach the finish line with this worthy project.

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Robin, I understand that many people would like the film to be finished, I am certainly one of them, but do you really think that is so 'effing' easy? Really? Are you actually involved with this project?
If you knew anything about the project then you would realize that just slapping together a 'carl 1, carl 2, etc.' film just isn't going to happen. Not from Jeans, Marahs, or any of the other contributors standpoint. There are many factors that I don't think you or anyone but the people involved actually see or even care to see. It's not just about restoring old footage and throwing it together and putting it up on youtube. This is a theatrical release and with that comes higher expectations, better quality, higher production value, more time and effort, greater scrutiny, and more money. Money especially since hiring the right people, getting to correct equipment for the various jobs and filling in the gaps in the story with additional footage from various locations and with various people costs more than most can imagine. It would be great if everyone involved were doing this stuff for free but they aren't and a lesser quality production would not fulfill the obligations to Jean and Carl.

I don't believe I'm enabling anything, except enabling Carl's legacy to have some sort of hope to see the light of day. What exactly are you contributing? I'm not sure why the sense of entitlement to see this footage is so prevalent. Yes it's historic and yes it should be seen but thinking you are entitled to see someone else's personal property and in a time frame you dictate is a ridiculous notion. Do you have a right or an interest in any of the footage? If you don't then you really don't have a say in this matter, Only Jean and Marah do at the moment.

If you are so adamant about seeing some of the old footage before the film is released then why not instead of complaining, do something about it such as some fundraising in order to pay for the man hours required to bring forth some of that great footage?
BTW, can you have proper results without first having an intention? Intentions are what results are built upon are they not?

As I said, the major investor in this project obviously has ABSOLUTELY NO idea how to reach the finish line with this worthy property.

Your head is so full of snakes you conjure up things out of thin air, such as claiming that I think I'm "entitled to see someone else's personal property and in a time frame (I) dictate." Congratulations on demolishing a straw man; I said no such thing.

You have so many snakes in your head you ask "What exactly (am I) contributing" when you've never one time reached out to me for my help or expertise, despite the fact that I have more historical and technical knowledge about this subject than pretty much anyone else out there, period, to include a lot of personal conversations with Carl, to include perhaps THE definitive interview ever done with him. So far, neither you nor any other soldiers in this allegedly vast production army of yours has ever bothered to make use of it, or especially of the raw interview material, which is two or three times as much material as what was published.

You run around chasing your tail for years trying to put this together, learning on the fly, when I could have saved you enormous amounts of time, money and frustration and maybe even helped you put together financing that would have helped you see this project to the finish line which from what you say on this thread you still can't even see, much less actually reach.

I asked you to PM me; instead you choose to grandstand and pick a fight with someone who'd love to see this project come to fruition.

More snakes in your head when you write: "Do (I)have a right or an interest in any of the footage?"

This has nothing to do with the technical and strategic questions I posed or the strategic design variations I posited.

Theatrical release? Really. For something this narrow in scope? Really.

There are multiple other avenues through which to release and/or present a property such as this without going the theatrical route, where your P&A costs in many cases are bigger than your production budget -- or your projected ROI.

More snakes in your head: Characterizing my observations of this process and 460 comments thereabout as "complaining" and being "so adamant about seeing some of the old footage before the film is released."

Silly boy. I don't need to see it; I've already seen it. I have a lot of it on VHS and 16 mm. Other of that old footage, I either watched it with Carl or was there when it was filmed; in fact, I filmed some of it myself. In fact, the reason I filmed some of it myself was that Carl called me up at midnight one August 1979 day and asked me if I could keep a secret -- followed by the inimitable giggle of his.

Thus did I become part of his film crew for what he called "the second most important development in BASE jumping" (the Royal Gorge Bridge jumps), thus did I make my first BASE jump, and thus am I here on this forum 33 years later trying to help you see some light by suggesting some ways you can extricate your head from its current dark location.

Truth be told, I know more about your project than you think I do; I just choose not to air its details on this forum. As I said, 460 is fundamentally right; they -- and you -- need to finish this, and not leave it in Development Hell forevermore.

And it's become clear to me through this thread that while the job may or may not be too big for Marah and Jean, it's definitely too big for you, or you woudn't be publicly displaying all the snakes in your head.

We are not your enemy, Jason. You should reach out to us instead of striking back when we offer input, look at yourself instead of belittling us when we ask for accountability, and reflect a little instead of just retort

And to answer your final questions: Yes, you need intentions before you can have results, but:

Intentions are not a plan.

Intentions are not knowledge.

Intentions are not good judgment.

Intentions are not action.

So I say again: if the largest investor other than the Norwegian government is serious about actually reaching the finish line with this worthy project, he ought to PM me instead of wrestling snakes.

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Wow, you're right these snakes must be getting to me. I forgot just who the hell I was talking to. Thanks for setting me straight. Please forgive me.

I'm sure everyone is happy to know that you will have this all worked out in the next few weeks or so.

Thanks again, you're the best!

Reconstruction of the final jump?!!? I thought the donations were for restoring and digitizing old footage? No fucking wonder it's not done yet. What a bunch of bullshit. Let the hero worshipping NickDG, Robin Held and the other school girls put up the money themselves so they can say to the world, "I knew Carl". Dozens of people will be very impressed! If you feel the need to help in this effort, please vist boenischHumper.cum to make a donation.

hmmmmmmmmmmm
interesting discussion until millstone crawled out.

craig

You're welcome. Glad I could help.

Thanks also for the kind words, and I appreciate your confidence, but while I could certainly work out a strategic plan for you in the next few weeks or so, we'd have to go over the project in a little more detail before I could make any assessment about when we could get the project completed and in the distribution pipeline that made the most sense.

Looking forward to your PM.

Thanks for your work so far in keeping it alive.

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Wow nice folks feel free to contact me anytime.
My dysfunctional efforts surely will fail :) !

i literally cant believe some of the shit i read on this website. marah, will this film be available to purchase/rent/stream online at all?
i applaude your efforts and REALLY want to see this film now that its finished.

 

Carl had a few favorite quotes that he wrote on a sheet of paper untitled

Corollaries of Struggle:

"Doubters do not achieve: skeptics do not contribute; cynics do not create." Calvin Coolidge /a favorite of Carl Boenish.

and

"It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbles , or how the doer of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is active in the arena, who face is marred with sweat and dust and blood ;who strives valiantly ; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotion , and spends himself in worthy cause. Who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement , and who , if he fails , at least fails while daring greatly... so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory of defeat" Teddy Roosevelt a favorite of Carl Boenish's


The film will be out next year. Meanwhile we will be showing at festivals, and in theaters across the country. If you want join our mailing list please write me.

Also we are facebook look up Sunshine Superman the film.
https://www.facebook.com/Sunshinesuperman

Lookin forward. I applaud your efforts, and though my dad is a pretty cool guy, hes nowhere near as cool as yours. Cheers