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Asylum is one of my favorite manufacturers, but in your case I'd probably go with the Adrenalin because;

(a) they are closer to you for support, and;
(b) the canopy will fly more like what you are used to.

The Feather is going to have a lot more glide and a much stronger flare than you are accustomed to. It will take some adjustment moving back and forth between them, which is a good argument for getting something similar to what you already have.

If I was buying it myself I'd go with the Asylum rig, but in your case, I think the Adrenalin makes more sense.

Either way, you'll be happy with what you get. Both are great systems.

 

I don't think there is going to be an appreciable difference in durability between the canopies.

 

I know it's hard to believe, but there are still some people who make BASE jumps without a wingsuit.

The original poster mentioned his desire to do slider down jumps on the rig as one of his criteria, and assuming that he didn't mean slider down wingsuit jumps, I'd imagine that he intends to make some jumps without a wingsuit.

 

If you talk to Jean-Noel he will give you all the help you need at Adrenalin-Base. Both the trango, troll and OSP come in ultralight fabric now (as an option) so if you ask them to fit it with dacron lines you can use your trango for slider down too..

Burt wouldn´t ultralite Troll be a better option in that case as an "all around" ultralite canopy? I did not know such thing is available but if yes, I would definitely prefer the opening characteristics of a vented Troll over a Trango if I was planning to do tracking jumps or SD with the canopy as well. I own a Trango and couple of Trolls and for me the Trango is dedicated big mountain WS canopy only.

Unless of course one has been known to fail catastrophically.

 

In tracking I tend to open lower than with WS (I´m a very dirty high puller with WS) and when opening lowish I prefer the way better opening characteristics of the vented Troll over the non vented Trango. I have done tracking jumps with my Trango as well but having the choice, I prefer my vented Trolls for tracking jumps.

I think lead times are a lot better for the LD2 Trango option.

You know you can get vented Trangos now too, right?

No I did not know. I do know they have been made though ( I also have jumped one) but did not know they now officially have it as an option on the Trango as well. Haven't spotted it on Jno's or Stanes website or in any orderforms but maybe they've just added i recently. That's definitely good news as the vented Trango I jumped had really superior openings compared to my non vented one.

I was going to get a vented trango but after a nice talk with Jean-Noel I'm now waiting for an ultralight vented troll w/dacron lines :)

What is the difference?

The lineset. Trango comes standard with Spectra lineset.

So;

Ultralight vented Troll = Trango with dacron lines?

and

Trango = Ultralight vented Troll with spectra lines?


Is that right?

Not quite. :) I swapped couple of emails today with Stane as well to check on the situation as I was confused my self and at least based the feedback from him :

- Even though they have made couple of vented Trangos they are not offering this as an option. So Trango = UL canopy, non vented, spectra lineset. SU only.
- UL Vented Troll = Troll with UL fabric. Comes standard with dacron lineset. Both SU and SD. Can also be ordered custom with spectra lineset (SU only) which would then be more or less "vented Trango".

You won't have the ZP-nose of the Trango on the UL Trolls.

I have one of the new light OSPs and it is working like a charm, the material is a bit heavier than the ultralight material of the Trango. A Helium that was thight with a Flik 242 is now feeling very soft with the 265 OSP and it is considerably lighter. The same should apply to the Troll with the light or ultralight material.

After being clumsy in Kl I now have a vented trango with the heavy dacron lines; no problem fitting it in an Apex TLs. The lineset doesn't add too much bulk or weight compared to a 265 canopy.

The light Trolls with dacron lines are definitely an excellent choice for the lazy and the elderly.

According to the info I got from Stane today, the ZP leading edge is available also as an option in the UL Troll.

Tell me more about the "light" OSP, now what is that then all about? :)

A lower profile rig is not gonna make you fly better but if you realy need a new rig go for Dacron 400 with cascades on the A/B lines and ultralight fabric ! they are so strong that nobody never had any troubles with such things. They are definitly super adapted to the demanding base environement.

I currently jump vented Trolls, 285, both slider OFF and UP
but when money and time permits... I would like to buy an
ATAIR canopy that is 265 and lighter for 90 minute ladders.

Any recommendations? Don't you love thread drift

As I understand it the fabrics are
42g/qm normal
32g/qm ultralight
36g/qm light.

I was jumping the new and the old OSP in Tallinn, easier packing and I think quicker extraction with the light material. My overall feeling is a preference of the light OSP over a regular one.

The material feels a bit sturdier and may withstand berry bushes better than the ultralight fabric. You know how it feels, if you see somebody landing your canopy in raspberry bushes.

The troll structure and design is made with vents in mind. The trango is not. So I guess it is a matter of ease in the production-phase when the apply ultralight fabric to all their canopies.
I wanted an ultralight canopy for the long hikes in Romsdalen. I used to jump a trango but never really liked the openings, especially compared to my vented fox. So for me, a vented ultralight is nice (can take it to the once in a while SD with confidence too). I contribute a large part of me not liking the trango openings to the static nature of spectra lines so I ordered the UL troll with 525 dacron. I'm not going near 400 dacron lines after some of the misfortunes connected to the use of them..

 

 

Troll light fits in the LD2

 

I guess it depends on which lineset you take for the UL Troll, I spoke with Stane regarding the packing volumes couple of weeks ago and his reply was :

- Troll/ Trango canopy only packing volume is nearly the same , there is little increase in pack volume because of vents&valves .
- Dacron lines increase pack volume compared to Spectra lines .

So I would think that the UL Troll with Spectra lineset would fit into a LD2 sized for same size Trango but if you go for Dacron (ability to sd as well) you need to go for hybrid.

For a "light" Troll you will need a Hybrid, that may not be true for an "ultralight" Troll.

There is quite a difference between "light" and the "ultralight" material.

I have the vented Trango with 525 Dacron lines, it still fits in the same container as with the lighter lines - though harness is a Apex TLs.

The 525 Dacron lines compared to the 400 Dacron lines didn't add that much bulk.

Please clarify, that you don't mean the ultralight material.

This is getting complicated... I did nt know there is a difference between UL Troll and a Light Troll. I was speaking with Stane regarding the UL version made out of UL material as I only use other peoples canopies when I land into thorn bushes. :)

I meant the ultralight troll, sorry about the confusion - and I know that you can get it with an LD/2 (long version) because that is what I ordered this fall with Jean-Noel. Perhaps it changed since then but I see no reason why. And I am getting the UL vented troll with 525 dacron. Haha so many choices on gear configuration these days, so hard to chose!!