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First of all - Hello everybody!

I've been searching around the forum for some info on the best way on routing the bridle with wrap around pin flap containers. I've been told to route bridle between the pins but manual I got with my Relax container had instructions to route bridle from top-left. I found a topic 8 years back from this forum that mentioned a little about bridle routing but I would like more info and opinions from jumpers having experience with these kinds of rigs. I'll attach picture from the manual.

There is only one wrap around that goes between two pins and no top wrap around like vertex containers.

One of my concerns is that the flap does not like to stay closed very well atleast when there is extra bridle between the side flaps when routing between pins and when taking this container for terminal jumps this might turn out to be a problem when pin flap opens prematurely?

Low objects I jump with pin flap open so this is not a problem but what would be the BEST way to route bridle on this container when taking it to terminal? (And why?)

Feel free to PM if thats more convenient.

Thank you for your input!

Majority of the older manuals instruct to route the bride from the top. Also majority of the manufacturers have since changed their recommendations and manuals to instructing routing between the pins. I have packed (and jumped) quite a number of different 2 pin containers (hybrid, hybridLD, wsextreme, gargoyle, warlock and apex DP come to my mind quickly) by routing the bridle between the pins and has worked for me so far. I suggest to try things out and use your common sense on what is the best way to route it on our rig. For me routing from the middle makes sense as there is zero bridle exposure and it does not restrict the opening sequence in any way.

Which ones?

As far as I know, Apex (for the DP) and Asylum still recommend routing out the top. The newer Apex Summit has a crossover pin flap and I believe the recommended bridle routing is out the middle.

I have yet to see a problem created by routing out the middle, but I believe the manufacturers who recommend a top routing are concerned about the possibility of hesitation if the bridle gets pinched inside the wrap around cover flap.

I also have yet to see a top routed bridle on a DP or Perigee Pro actually flap enough to open the pins, even in wingsuit flight, so I feel pretty comfortable top routing those rigs.

Thank you all for the input.

I can understand that reason for pin opening on middle bridle routing on this video was caused mostly because of low pin tension: http://www.youtube.com/...yer_detailpage#t=52s

Would this not happen (less likely?) when routing bridle from top and having no slack in bridle coming from top to upper pin?

Most of all trying to figure out the pros and cons on different bridle routing on rigs like mine (pin flap configuration).

Or am I being too anal about this? Keeping in mind that pin tension would be high enough when doing terminal jumps.

No slack in bridle between top flap and top pin could possible cause a situation where the top pin can not be extracted thus locking the container. Maybe you'd get luck and get enough fabric into the airstream to extract the canopy, maybe not. Always leave slack in the bridle when routing out the top. This is why some manufacturers have velcro on the bridle to ensure there will be slack between the flap and top pin. When routing out the middle, both pins are already extracted when the bridle going over the flap and into the container is loaded so this isn't an issue when routing out the middle.

The rig in the video was not packed according to the manufacturers instructions. On that rig, the manufacturer recommends routing the bridle out the middle.



Leaving no slack above the pin on any rig (skydiving or BASE, 1 or 2 pins) can cause a total malfunction (container lock). If there is not enough slack for the pin to extract, the container will not open.

If you are uncertain how you want to route your bridle, I would follow the manufacturers recommendation.

Isn't the bridle coming out between the two pins in this video? Seems like so to me.

Morpheus and Adrenalin. My mistake most likely was to use the word "majority" in this context but as majority of my jumps are on rigs from those two manufacturers that's the experience I have. And based on this I have also close seceral other rigs as well routing bridle from the middle and had no issues with with it.

Oh, it was.

My bad.

I didn't actually watch the video you linked. I had watched it some time ago and mis-remembered it.

I generally think that the bridle routing out the middle is more secure for high speed airflow. But again, if I'm in doubt I'll default back to the manufacturers instructions.

Watching the video more closely, it looks like the jumper swapped the floor plate closing loop to the top flap, rather than using a shorter closing loop designed to be used on the top flap.

So there is not a significant reason why not route from top if I leave enough slack for pin extraction?

Regarding the problem that my wrap around flap does not like to stay closed - what might be the DIY solutions. Learn to pack better?

Getting a rigger to put in stiffeners or making a pin flap pocket would be the best bet? What else?

I think routing from the top is fine.



Is there no stiffener in the pin cover flap at all?

Seems there is "something" pretty soft but the flap is maybe just too short after folding where the folding line goes. Can't fold any further cause the bulk created by the pins and bridle.