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OK, the time has come :) Those interested in getting the Recon Instruments HUD for wing-suit flying can now order them. But we need to get 250 orders within 30 days in order for recon to build them. We need to show them there is a big enough market to make it worth their while. Please order now so we can have this amazing technology develop... http://labs.reconinstruments.com/

Hahahaha. "Fly like Jeb Corliss". Thanks, but no thanks-- I like my legs just the way they are ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEFCQRwj28w

Good idea for a product though if it works. Personally I think my FlySight does all I need it to but I can see some people liking this better.

They made a webpage and a nice video, but they failed at giving real info on the device.

What rate does the data refresh on the screen?, in the GPS?
Can it log the data?
Can I connect it to a computer and get that data?
What data does it log?
What does the screen look like? You can see a smal picture of it at 1:58, but that tiny picture wont sell!
Can you wear glasses/sunslasses under the googles?

We are not the kids at toys R us that buys anything that has Justin Biebers (or Jebs) name on it, we need facts.

personally this is going the opposite direction of what i like. i don't think i NEED any of this stuff. i don't use that kind of data flying aerobatics in an airplane either.

one of the things about jumping for me is the feeling of pure "by the seat of your pants" flying. i love it.

just me though, i also don't travel the world competing to show people i'm .000001 seconds faster at falling either.

75k doesn;t seem like a lot of money to just go ahead and make them... so from a marketing standpoint i'm confused as well. i guess this is the least risky way at getting what you want.

good luck.

This is good news Jeb.
I don't think the same way as the other guys. I can easily underline, although I am a novice wingsiut flyer, that, this is the novel technology what we really need.
Dynamic real time data is what we strictly need during flight, in order to refine our skills of efficient, fast and swift flight. This is a device which will all display it to us. I just bought a snowboarder googles, Zeal Z3 live, which has already installed recon mod live in it. I am so happy with it, and waiting for the one for wingsuit...
Thank you Jeb, for informing all of us...
M.Susam, M.D., Ph.D.

Man you want us to by those fucking glasses for you to have it for free ??? they already buy you some rig(so if they finally got this order completed i'm assuming you won't buy it with the money you earn working), please let us out of your marketting-base.
damn, what a lack of respect.

I wonder is Jeb was busy looking at his speed and GPS readings when he hit the cliff? Or was it the balloon?

Jeb, can you explain more precisely what the device does?

Specifically, would it also give accurate real time data for canopy flight?

Hola Tom,

they will give real time ground speed, real time glide ratio and real time altitude. The three most important gauges in fine tuning performance in a wing-suit or tracking. Yes they also give you real time information that can be used while flying a canopy. There are plans for them to do a lot more in the future but they need 250 orders to keep developing. If there is no market there is no reason for them to continue.

Jeb

Can it also be used for skiing? Is it the same modlive platform with the development kit?

For now it does not work on the MOD Live platform. The chips they use for that platform can not handle the speeds we travel. We are just to fast for them. They need to use the MOD platform in order to deal with the speeds we travel. These goggles will be purely for flight performance...

Jeb i remember ntroducing you to these goggles in the small apartment i hired back in 2010 in the valley , and i asked you if you did end up getting any sponsorship,

let me know and get me a pair..

i guess i am still waiting brother!!!!

i watched the clip where you said someone told ya about these glasses...

did you forget !!!!

get in touch

Is it the refresh rate that is too slow for us? Can't be the higher speed, really.. Does it work in the steep, deep valleys of Norway? Like, could you attach an antenna on the back of the helmet to improve signals?
Does it show glide and speed as a number, as a dial or as a plot over time?

It shows speed, altitude and glide in numbers. Have not tried them in Norway but they work great at the crack in switzerland and Jungfrau. Doesn't work so good in Lauturbrunnen Valley but then neither does the flysight. I got them to work most of the time at Via Ferrata but not at high nose. Skydiving they seem to keep lock in aircraft for about 85% of the time. If it looses signal then it usually regains signal within 10 to 20 seconds of leaving aircraft. The refresh rate seems to work fine and you can see your speed change based on what you are doing as you fly. You must turn them on and get signal on the ground when you are stationary before getting in aircraft.

I remember you showing me them on your computer but I do not remember telling you I would give you a pair if I got sponsored :)

I know nothing is free in this world and did not imply that i implied for free, but that they were fucken expensive and if you were sponsored i am sure you could get me a better then averag deal ,

but anyway life goes on

$300 for something that communicates with satellites in outer space doesn't really seem like that much to me. What is that, like 15 skydives or less then the average helmet. How much does an altimeter cost. For what these things do the cost is actually quite low...

yeah mate, i can afford that shit now but 2-3 years ago mate,

they were far from anyones reach

i think at that stage they were 500-799 !!!

but as times change so does price...

look at go pro 2's anyone who bought one lately must kick emselves for the 3 now on market..

Hello Jeb,

Is there a video or a pic about the MOD dashboard showing
glide speed and altitude?
Wich googles will come with MOD?
Thanks
Mario

What we really need? Bullshit. No, I don't think so... My flying skills will improve, develop and finally be honed to perfection by hiking to the exit, jump from that cliff and fly my wingsuit. When I land I have a feeling of what went good/ bad and what I need to work on. Then I repeat the whole thing every chance I get. And while all this is going on I talk to other jumpers and wingsuit pilots I know - they have far more jumps than me, fly better than me and offers me help, knowledge and understanding. On some of the jumps I fly with them as well. Sometimes I try to follow them, sometimes the follow me and tell me what was good or bad. Find a jump that offers you plenty of flight time and visual references and go there as often as you can - you will see improvement and learn something on every jump

Yep, blows... oh well.

I never realized just how negative a lot of you guys are.

Didn't you all get spanked as a kid and told "If you've got nothing nice to say, then don't say anything, at all."?

This is a great tool to use, and for $300, it is cheap.

when you say tracking, I assume you mean, "flying a shitty little wingsuit", right?

Superstition and what you feel is great, but knowing an exact glide ratio relative to your weight, wingsuit, and flight attitude would be awesome to have, particularly with new wingsuits/new exit points. Why have any guess work in knowing how close that ledge is going to be 6 seconds after exit?

Why have any guess work in knowing how close that ledge is going to be 6 seconds after exit?

I can agree to a point that having data on your flying is interesting, but it stops there for me personally. People have relied on so-called hard facts/data before on flight performance, glide etc (to convince themselves it can be flown?idk) and tried "do or die" lines in the mountains. Not everyone has survived... That can be a dangerous path to follow. And sure, that ledge will be this close after 6 seconds - based on my data from that super-flight where everything was perfect from exit to opening. But what about those times you have a bit slower start, you just weren't able to fly your suit to the max, the air was a bit turbulent? See my point? In that situation I'll take a gut feeling over gps-data on my computer screen any day. My point is, we don't NEED it, and except for the very skilled and hardcore pilots out there I think it would be obsolete.

Oh and I almost forgot the most important thing! For $300 you can get the new gopro3 silver edition! Come on, I mean here you have the choice of bying a goggle that gives you numbers and graphs on your computer... or a state of the art action camera that films YOU and all the COOL stuff you do all the time, like basejumping, partying and banging your girlfriend! And then you put it on your computer were you make a cool edit to that awesome song you know. And now you can share it with your friends and get lots of likes and views on youtube - because that is what it's all about afte all

That's why you build in a margin of error you are comfortable with, for some that's high enough you can blow the exit on your back and still recover and others if you don't push off hard enough to get an extra foot you die... Having the data is no substitute for good judgement.

See, this guy GETS IT!!! Well said sir', and my thoughts exactly!!

hahaha, Heat... we're totally eye to eye on this one.


like i said, just my opinion, and good luck to those who think they really need this. but if you really think all those numbers are going to help you miss a ledge or some shit, you're delusional.

learn to fly your suit well, that;s the only trick. if you want the numbers there are free or $5 apps for you phones that will give you the same numbers now. haha.

i like the new gopro too. that thing is bitchin.

Techinal requestions:

1. What is the frame rate (refresh)
2. How long will it take to synch the GPS (if your in a covered airplane) after exit.
3. whats the frequency range on the display?
4. Whats the angle of field of vision? What the effect if the viewing angle is off?

Thx!

Only the power of Greyskull can help you miss those ledges or some shit!

Hey jeb, I'm interested In these recons, wil they also have the navigation feature like the lives? What about buddy tracking? I really like the idea of navigation for cloudy days, and the buddy tracker could really help with formation flying, put a grid on the hud and fly into your slot. Also wondering about the wifi contour as a rear view, if this is incorporated as well? I heard the ground speed refresh rate is only 1hz, has this changed from the live?

If I recall it says on the site that the refresh is once per second to conserve battery. I'm curious if we can up that if we don't care about shortening the battery life, or if there is a hardware limitation on the GPS for it's refresh rate.

I saw this that has what the display is supposed to look like. Not sure if it's accurate. I don't see altitude on it which I think is included.

http://www.engadget.com/...-flight-hud-goggles/

Good point, the ability to find the DZ in cloudy weather would make a great feature on the goggles. A Garmin can do that but having all those features in a goggle makes sense.

This seems like a product that will do well on DZ.com

can these goggles be put over glasses with no problem or is this likely to prevent you from seeing the display?

Do these work for those little wingsuits? You know...Tracksuits?

only if they're black!

im wondering if this would be a valuable tool for someone like myself, who is a beginner in the sky wingsuit environment. i know that training and hanging out with the experienced birds at my DZ is invaluable as far as learning and progressing, but i wonder if this could be used to see how im doing with max glide and different flight speeds with changes in my body position.

as for the cliffs, well im not concerned with that shit anytime soon. =)

just get a flysight.

designed and made by a jumper for jumpers.

http://flysight.ca/

I don't think we should knock a good product because of the sales rep.

It's new technology and could one day replace the need for a alit with visual cues and also provide direction to the DZ. The first model might leave much to be desired but this is how the development of products of the future go.

Even AAD's had/still have their issues.

If they added a proper Alti to it that doesn't run on GPS they would be perfect for skydiving.

does anybody know when production starts ? (i guess in 24 days ??)
and when is the shipping date/period ?

Does anybody know the specs yet?

You, like me, are the one who needs this device at most. I am also a novice wingsuit flyer. Whenever we see the displayed dynamic real time data such as glide ratio, forward and downward speed, heading (in case of turbid weather), we'll catch the opportunity to refine our flying skills also in a real-time manner. This is what I am trying to underline and continuing to be misunderstood.
Thank you all the guys. See and jump with you soon...
M.Susam...

There is a link on the page

http://labs.reconinstruments.com/flight-hud-tech-specs/

well every web page i visit has adds trying to sell this to 'skydivers and wingsuiters' so i dont think they need too much pre-order help

"I am a cardiac surgeon my friend. I earn four rigs everyday, by doing two bypass operations daily."

Waou , pretty impressive, so why don't you buy all those 250sunglasses-that-make-you-finding-the-way-of-the-dz-while-it-was-so-cloudy-you-should-better-have-do-something-more-adapted...??

Man you ask me to have a basejumper behaviour ?? It does not exist. We come from everywhere, every age every salary etc , so there is not one "basejumper behaviour" but as many as basejumpers.

I can understand this need of info while flying for some specific jumps, but what make me laught is again the way we will be used as crash-test while some others will use it to make money .

Base is going in a marketing way i hate.
Sorry if i prefer air feeling on my face better than a gps data to know how i have fun/fly ....
One day it will be a voice that will say to you turn right left pitch etc....like the gps voice of your car's one.

"I earn four rigs everyday"
I did not write that sentence to impress you. It was a description why I am far away from the business you mentioned. I am always proud to be a base jumper rather than being a cardiac surgeon.

"Behavior of a basejumper" really exists. It doesn't matter which nationality or religion or race you belong to. Base jumpers are people who experience and know the the thin line between life and death. So, they know the art of living. They know to be kind. They are aware of the worth of and know how to utilize everything in nature God provided us. These are my humble beliefs and opinions.

Whatever we scream here or anywhere, the technology will go on and flight controls and equipment will take its place on the market. Since we are experiencing "real human flight", the population who will get affected at most is, us.

Any basejumper, including you, never allows or opens the way to be used as a crash test object. Base jumpers are more clever than any of the persons who market these equipment. Make sure.

You are a passionate, well-intentioned, honest, straightforward person, just the same as all base jumpers. Please forgive me if I misunderstood you and hurt you. I also do forgive your curse-style sentences.

And, again, you, and all the friends here, are kindly invited to Istanbul and any part of Turkey either for base jump or any nature-bound activity.

God bless all of you friends...
M.Susam

I like the way you are writting to make stuff calm down even if we do not agree together on those glasses.
We have a lack of clever exchange usually on Bj.com
Anyway perhaps one day we meet in turkey or somewhere else and share a jump glasses or not!! :-)

You just invoked god twice. That's two examples how you and I come from very different walks of life.

agreed, i also live in reality.

Back to these goggles.
1. Way to big and bulky
2. Vision is very limited
3. Need to look down and right to read tiny screen
4. System definently not fast enough for WS base
Maybe ok for skydiving.
Just wear GPS data machine and check data later.

i spoke with recon about these goggles and found out some interesting info on the horizontal (groundspeed) gps sensor....

it only refreshes at 1hz
i copied this from dz.com its my post.

advantages to a 5hz system over the 1hz:

1.faster satellite acquisition times
*recon states turn them on a few min before you get in the plane, and they will probably loose signal in the plane and have to re-acquire the signal after you exit the plane approx 20-30 sec

2.better accuracy
*if the gps refreshes 5x faster there will be a difference in accuracy

3.smoother gps tracks for you to interpret.

4.less display lag
*recons hud claims its refresh rate can be faster at the sacrafice of battery life, but the gps horizontal is limited to 1refresh per second.

5. almost real time data
*the difference is 5hz refreshes 5x faster than 1hz meaning every .2 sec it refreshes

almost every new gps for pilots are 5hz
almost every gps for UAVs are 5hz
allot of automobile gps units have moved to 5hz

we usually fly our wingsuits around 100mph forward speed, this equates to 146.6 feet per second.

at a refresh rate of 1hz you can be 146.6 feet behind where the gps thinks you are

when you raise the refresh rate to 5hz you are only 29.3 feet behind where the gps thinks you are.

a difference of 117.3 feet traveled.

the recons calculate glide ratio with two sensors: gps for forward speed and a barometer for altitude. would it not make sense to have these refresh at the same rate so the glide ratio can be properly calculated in real time instead of the barometer refreshing 10X faster than the gps?

So in other words


THERE USELESS

"You can't pay to be a good jumper
It comes over time and being current "

This is just the starting point for the technology, maybe in the future the display will be integrated into the goggle lenses and have full visibility.

But then everyone will complain that the HUD is in the way of the pilots vision, there is just no pleasing some people.

I agree that these are completely useless in base, but one day I would like to see these replace the current audible, GPS, and alti in skydiving. One item that does it all.

Flysight is still the way for learning, but I like the idea of what is possible to achieve with version 2-3-4 of this product.