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Does anyone here have any first hand information on the flight characteristics of the new tracking suit from Phoenix Fly? Some friends and I are torn on which suit to buy, the other option being a Tube3. Any points of comparison from people who have flown both of them would be helpful also.

I have not flown both so cannot compare but being a test pilot for Robi and having being involved in testing and development during the entire PTS project I think I have pretty good (but obviously biased) view on the characteristics of the product. So if you have a specific question on it, shoot it out and I try to come up with answers.

Did anybody ever collect comparative GPS data flying just the pants compared to the pants/jacket combination???

I'm curious how much performance gain would be had with the combo comparison to just flying the pants.

Flying trackpantz is not just a question of total surface, it's a question of balance between leg power and body power.
You need this balance to fly at the right angle and to control it during all the flight.

At high speed, you can control your angle even without the additional surface of the jacket. BUT at low airspeed, you can't, legs are too powerfull. So you won't be able to have the full control of your angle for the first seconds of your flight .... this means most of the time you will be head down, waiting for enough speed to take control again

In a big wall jump, no trouble. It's even more fun But in a smaller or under-hung jump, you won't be able to take full advantage of your pantz ...
Many jumps here are ok with pantz+jacket, but you may not fly over the first talus without jacket

No, we both have experience. I have heard that the Tube flies better fast and the power suit is a lot floatier. Is this true?

Well... I´ve seen both ways! With PF pts it can easily float if you "just lie there on tracking position" YOU need to make the angle to make the speed (and therefore getting the lift).
With Tube3 can´t really say from that 1 jump experience. But I´ve seen people jumping with that suit both flying super fast and also very slow....

So without any real back round info about your previous tracking jumps can´t say that "Buy this". Both suit are very good. The question is which you would prefer?
My guess would be that PF is easier to handle and Tube3 might have little better "absolute performance" ????

Sounds like it really depends on the individuals ability and tracking style.

Very much so!!!!

Just ordered a tube3 myself a few days ago. Iv flown only the PF tracking suit a handful of times. When you say the tube3 is tricky to handle is that because it automatically puts you in a steeper angle of attack or what exactly do you mean when you say more tricky? The first time I used a tracking suit it took time to get more comfortable with it before I tried different angles of attack (all skydiving btw) to see how the suit responded.

I flew the Tube out of a plane and it was super twitchy compared to my PF suit, making it much harder to fly with no experience. It seems less user friendly compared to the regular PF suit, if you have never flown one, as he says.

I have skydived quite much my normal (not wide) PF suit and base jumped it around 20 times. I then bought a Tube3 and didn't do much skydives with it and took it to the valley. After two days I switched back to PF since Tube3 gets really unstable when you get the speed and you need much practice to be able to control it.

On the other hand, even with my unstable (and shitty :-) ) track with Tube3 I got about the same distance than with PF suit, but it didn't feel safe not to be able to fully control the suit.

hello,
I have test all of those pants, regular, wide, and tube 3, just not tested yet the power ts.

But there are my 2cents: regular pantz are good to begin with, but if you wanna stay into tracking, and not use it as a step to fly a wingsuit, then you will need something more powerfull.

But anyway how powerfull your trackpantz is, YOU are the driver. and only the DRIVER can lead his body far away from the wall.

all those pantz needs some good practice to get performance.

-angle of attack. this will lead you to a good speed.
-good speed, this will help your stability.
-lift, you can use it will crossing your last ledge in a proxyline, or few second before pitching. BUT the lift will only stay for few seconds...... EVERY PANTZ will stop flying at all when you lift to much !! there is no floating with a pantz !!!!

if you use a tube three then it s easier to gain speed from the exit. (a small second more than usual going head down to reach speed before tracking) then you re on a railway . if you have good angle ( use arms back, your pelvis, look under you not the goal) you will stay stable .

with the other pants you can start quicker , but then you need to play with the angle to be able to stay in a perf-track. otherwise you fall more than you track.

IF YOU FLY WITHOUT SPEED NO ONE OF THOSE TRACKPANTS WILL BE STABLE . NO ONE BETTER THAN THE OTHER!!!!


my conclusion is that THE MAN MAKE THE TRACKER, NOT THE SUIT.

it s much more difficult to have all the time goods results in tracking than in wingsuiting.

tracking is for pussies. i love tracking ......

To be honest, I think once you skydivie with any new suit enough times you will get comfortable with it and then bam its time to bring it to the wall ;) I cant wait to see how this tube3 flies. A friend told me to help stop suits being so twitchy at first, you should have the leg straps not as tight. Then with more experience tighten the straps untill you have them to your desired effect. This will of course make the suit less responsive which wont be what you want when you want the most from your suit.

Can definitely vouch for what you say here. Lot of excellent trackers in Romsdalen jump different suits (phoenix, tube2/3) and we have seen some differences. The Phoenix starts a bit faster but the Tube when it gets going has more speed and power. It is all about learning to fly your (new) gear though, most of the time it isn't learned in a day... Tracksuits are at home in the mountains, much more than from a plane. It is here you will learn to fly it. Is the suit unstable - you are very very likely flying to flat. Can be hard to tell when skydiving...
Another thing you should consider is that Pressurized uses three weeks to produce the Tube 3! As for Phoenix-fly, a friend of mine ordered his in march I think and it's still not done... Apparently they have a shit load of demands and very long production time.

Yeah production for tube 3 is three weeks from what pressurized told me il let you know if they are as fast as they say. I would not take that as that PF are better because of the waiting time, pressurized only makes tracking suits, where PF makes most wingsuits on top of tracking suits and I would imagine that they are longer because of all they have to do in general.

Mine took about 4 months. My friend got one even later. Probably because of big number of orders (plus I ordered one in teal, and there was some problem with the fabric), but still I wouldn't count too much on 3 weeks order time.

Was this the new pf power tracking suit? how does it fly compared to other tracking suits you jumped before?

I meant the Tube3. I've only flown the basic PF and the Tube3, so I don't know about the power TS from PF

How does it fly? how many jumps did it take you to get comfortable with it?

It has a lot of power, but as I wrote earlier I still have to learn how to use it. Especially when it starts to fly fast it gets unstable. (in my hands at least )

Also I had the feeling it stalls easier than PF suit so it needs to be flown fast.

It also seems to inflate much faster than the PF one.

But it's all about the jumper. I've seem people flying basic narrow PF suit 2-3 times further than other people with Tube3 or wide PF suits.

Yeah I get the impression once you just go for it you pick up speed very quick and then it becomes very stable. As you say it depends on the driver. Hopefully you will dial in your suit. how many jumps (skydiving/base) have you put on your new suit?

maybe 5 skydives, none this year :) Should have done my homework better :) Than less than 10 week ago before switching back to old PF

Are you getting rid of your tube3 then as a result, or are you just building your way up to it slower?

 
Here are couple of thoughts from my end as well. Like being said before, I have been involved in the PTS project for the whole lifecycle of it (the last 2 years) and tested and flew all the prototypes and the end product as well. The PTS project originates to back in the times when we spoke with Ted Rudd (RIP bro!) regarding convincing Robi to improve tracking gear. We had already at that time a very high performance with the new version of tracking suit, quite widely known as the "wide design". The wide design was outperforming the previous models easily by 15-20% but it was also bringing a lot of stability issues and being very demanding to fly when flown to the max. We experienced a lot twitchiness on the suit and this design albeit highly powerful was difficult to fly to the point that it could not be recommend to anyone except highly experienced and skilled (and current) big wall trackers.

We took this as a starting point and focus to the development of new tracking suit; to create a suit which still passes any previous suits in performance but is more stable and safer to fly. The end product of this project is the PTS, bringing entirely new shape and several functional improvements to the pants and jacket ensuring rock solid pressurization, ease of use and great performance. The PTS still has a lot of performance but the main improvement is the stability, safety and ease of flight. I can get almost the same distance in my wide design when I max it out but I have never flown a tracking suit which feels so solid to fly like the PTS. Also in top the PTS seems to start higher than any of the suits I have previously flown.

The PTS, although much more stable and easy to fly, still is a suit for advanced and experienced big wall trackers. It is not your first tracking suit or if you are looking for a suit to do occasional arials, freefly base or what ever other things, get the "standard" suit. The PTS is the V4 of tracking suits, optimised to start early and fly far.

And ultimately, like said by some really good trackers already in this thread, it is not the arrow, it is the indian. The suit itself, regardless ho good it is, will not fly anywhere. It is the pilot inside the suit that makes all the difference. I wish all safe flights and long tracks, I´m really stoked to see several companies pushing the development of tracking gear further and further!

Do you have any video of the two PF suits being tested against each other by the same pilot at the same spot? would be nice to see the direct comparison.

I assume that by "two PF suits" you mean the PTS and the standard version. I haven´t jumped the standard version for some amount of time so don´t have that current videos of that. I did jump my girlfriends standard pants couple of times last winter but not sure if I have video from those jumps... The standard suit still has very good performance as well when flown correctly. The big (performance) difference based on my experience is definitely in the start, the PTS starts significantly higher and starts to fly sooner.

I can check from some people who live close to the LB valley and have both suits available if they could do something like this.

Yeah i meant the standard and the power pf suit. Dont break a sweat i was just curious more than anything. But if you have any footage of this power track suit that would be great if you could throw it up.

My very small addition to this discussion:

Yes, taking any gear out of an areoplane first
is safer and provides for more time to dial-in.

To prepare for ITW and LB with my tracking
gear I did a couple jumps from up high but
found the most bang for the buck was in
doing low altitude SKY jumps, meaning I'd
pay $15 to get out at say 3.5 and track for
10 seconds then pitch. The lower altitude
made it easier for me to use the ground
to measure my performance.


To the newbies, wannabes, and lurkers:
they are telling you the truth in regards to
the idea that you could put me on a brand
new carbon fiber Cannondale and give say
Lance Armstrong a Huffy with square wheels
and he'd still beat me.

It is cheaper/smarter/safer and you will fly
better if you lose 5 pounds doing sit-ups
and yoga than simply buying a bigger suit.

I believe Paul BASE 434 once had the tag:
To Fly like a bird, you must eat like a bird

Yes yes, but if you doped like Lance things might be different!

And Markus your advice blows, don't you understand some indians are really poorly skilled?! A bad flyer NEEDS the most powerful suit to keep up with better flyers! Its only common sense!!

Just to take this thread even further away from useful discussion.

Kerkko
BASE1184

[I did try for one jump Tube3 and can say that yes it is a very good tracking gear!
As you original question "Which suit to buy" my answer (not knowing any back rounds) would be Neither!!!

Tube3 is very tricky to fly IF you have never use tracking gear before!
Phoenix Fly Power track suit is for easier to handle. (That was one of our main focus on developing the suit) BUT it is still not meant for the first suit. That is if you are thinking about buying your first track suit??????? It has a LOT of power and if you loose your stability on that suit.... More power->more problem.
Phoenix fly still makes the "normal" tracking suit and has actually make them even better than before. They are still very good peace of equipment and a great track suit! AND if buying a first tracking gear this is where I would go....]

isnt that why you fly it via skydiving.... to master it first before taking it BASE?

Have just recieved my Tube 3, gonna throw 100+ jumps on it over the next few weeks to get the hang of it via skydiving.

And to clarify, no, I am not new to tracking.

Ordered mine a week or to ago and can't wait to try it out!!

its all about looking good and if you're tracking over the powerlines, you're breaking an SBA rule! not that they honor it either... haha.

Am i blind or is there no info on the PF website of the PTS?

i think they're only available for sale to sheer aweseomness. luckily it's contagious in this community... look around a bit, if you really want one, someone will be able to assist you in spending your money!!!

Pictures would be nice! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J09qqBt3MYQ

how's this? sorry Matt... hahahaha.

Very nice track!!!

thanks! Matt is an awesome tracker, learning that suit is some work, and like learning to track well period, it takes practice and knowing how to lock in that perfect angle of attack.

again where Michael Cooper's brilliant FlySight http://flysight.ca/ invention will come in handy if you are learning and trying to get awesome....

High Ultimate is definitely one of my favorite exit points in the valley for so many reasons, but of course the almost 2400ft of altitude and perfect place to practice dialing in tracking skills!!!

Hell yeah. The visuals of exit and the short walk are definitely the biggest two bonuses for me. Definitely no jump for beginners though.... I saw two people who thought that Ultimate was an easy jump get eaten up while I was there.....

agreed. not a novice exit... follow the SBA site list and the newer jumpers should be ok...

i love the quick hike too, that day Matt and I effortlessly did 8 jumps... and it was a great day... not just jumping.

You guys did effortlessy 8 jumps afer 4pm? How many rigs did you have? :)

i will kindly explain how we easily made 8 jumps that day.

1. i didn't say they were all from ultimate.

we did 3 before 9am from High Ultimate, caught the 625, 725 and 825 car up... no problem.

then we did two leisurely jumps from high nose while eating lunch and hanging out wif our friends doing hood rat things.

then, after 4pm, we went back to Stechelberg and did 3 more jumps from High Ultimate.

i believe you were on one of those loads, where you all freefell all the way into the landing area, which last time i checked, was past the river.

sorry, it wasn't you... but there were a bunch of Swiss locals...

hee hee, btw, i apologize i'm on lots of pain meds and in the hospital.. but this is Finnish Markus correct? have not seen you for a couple years but all the best to you and Kati.

Goddamn those swiss locals, they should all be tar and feathered in the next SBA meeting. :D Yeah, that's me! Although we now also live in the country of the well known valley... And maybe even some times freefall it past the river. :D Get better soon!

I don´t know about others but at least my interpretation from the rule is simple. It says: "Experience winsuiters and trackers are ask to turn left". I am just normal tracker so I can go straight

If you're finnish you can body like a big potato and you'll still clear the river on your back. Seems to apply to all nordic countries. But the rest of us have to train hard and eat like a bird :)

the PTS is official!

http://www.phoenix-fly.com/...uits/phoenix-fly_pts

Damn excited, can't wait till it arrives in my hands next week/month! The butt inflation looks larger than the original huh?

Let's see if anyone can get 2min+ within 10k in the first 10jumps! Thinking we'll be seeing quite a few!

How much "import duty" will you have to pay?

I have no idea what you're talking about! It's just "old clothes" that I forgot in Europe . Hopefully they will remember to label it as so lol

Awesome... ordered mine last month so hopefully i wont have to wait too much longer

Got close a few times this year with the normal tracksuit. 113" is the best I had so far. Hoping to get to that 120" mark. PTS should be arriving next month or so

Ha well we can race eachother aaron since I just got my tube3 last week, il let you know when im back in ireland and il meet you at the IPC ;)

got 1:41 this weekend pulling at 3500...and diving a lot during the flight...PTS is a beast

Nice! Evertime I hear/read that my hair stands up in the back of my neck. My god, tracking is so much fun!!

The Tube3 takes a while to learn to fly. When I was first flying it I had issues veering left and right, it took a while to figure out but I was actually flying it at too great an angle of attack (close to the stall).

The tube flies best fast and steep, in fact to see what I mean try flying it all legs with your hands behind your back, then start adding your arms back into the equation. Too much arm pressure causes it to get too flat I find. Lately, I've been flying it full legs but arms up above my back a bit, keeps it flying very fast and steep, and much better glide than in the standard "flat track" position.

Check out this video for what I mean.. notice his steep angle and arms up and behind a bit.. kind of like how the V4 flyers fly their suits for mountain carving. This is a phoenix fly suit I think? But you fly the Tube this way as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3rbhAD7M0c&feature=youtu.be

i just put my first handful of jumps on my new tube3 at the DZ over the weekend. i too have noticed that stability gets much better when my hands are back above my back. same thing too, i havent been chipping on the pitch axis but ive been yawing left and right like a motherfucker.

but im already breaking about 70+ seconds and thats pulling at 4500, i swear when i get it dialed in im gonna be a beast! looking forward to learning how to fly it proper.

That is one thing about the Power track suit that I noticed right away, on the first jump. The stability is awesome. Compared even to the regular track suit it inflates faster and is more stable, I never had any issues with it being squirrely. Given I only have about 6 jumps one mine, but have heard the same thing from everyone jumping one.

This is very good to hear. :) As I have written before, one of the core design goals that we set for oirselves for the PTS project was safety and ease of use. We already had a very well performing suit (the so called wide design) but it was also quite twitchy to fly. We set ourselves the goal of having uncompromised performance combined with solidness and stability. And when we got the last prototypes to the test, this was exactly our first impression as well. The suit inflates instantenously and feels super solid to fly from the word go. Robi had really delivered a suit which fuöfills the expectations we had set for it. If any of you guys have any further feedback on the suit, please let me know for example via IM. This would be highly appreciated and we can take this into account on our future projects.

I wish you all long and powerful tracks!

After a handful of jumps in Lauterbrunnen and ~10 skydives using the Power Track suit, the suit does seem much more powerful and inflates noticeably faster than previous PF versions (I have around 60 BASE jumps and 150 skydives on the standard PF track suit). For me, the additional performance came with a cost, however- the 'squirrelly' nature of flying the suit until I discovered how to adjust my body position appropriately. It's a great suit, but, as noted previously, not recommended for BASE without first putting in the skydives to dial in body position.

How does it fly better? palms facing up or down? which position has more performance

its actually better if you tilt your hands at 38.6deg inwards to each other, this helps send the airflow in towards your torso causing a jet like effect accelerating the air at a higher rate than what it came in at. ~Science.

Thanks for the tip.! I think you are right! I tried and seems to fly better!

phoenix-fly power track suit........wow
used 10 times form plane ad 2 basejumps.....nice fly and confortable

What can you get without a tracking suit from the same Alt?

not that...haha

PTS has an ass load of drag...period

managing that drag in the correct way will make you go fast, whatever body size or shape you have.

I fly an SX for a wingsuit (big leg wing, smaller arm wing)...I will be getting a Large pants, medium jacket. Logic has worked so far...we'll see how it goes :)

Just curious because I don't use a tracking suit and would like to see what a good time is to shoot for.
I've noticed that my tracks are better when I used my suit that has little leg pockets that fill with air vs. my space suit.

Ive just got mine but havent had a chance to jump it yet.. have heard that it likes to fly a lot flatter? any tips on what body position changes have been working for you guys as opposed to the original PF tracking suit?

I've only done 4 jumps on the PTS... but here be my speculations:

In my original PF track suit (the very first one - not the one still for sale on the website) it feels like an effort to get a slightly head low angle/not be too flat - in the PTS it seems the leg's bulk gives the optimum angle naturally/you don't have to work for it, in fact I seem to have my arms a little further down than what I had previously for 100% performance. I cannot wait to get this suit dialled in (the suit has never scared me - I purely mean reach higher performance levels by 'dialling in')

Anyone jumped the PTS with a flysight yet? I wanna see some data peoples!

Weather permitting will do tomorrow ;)

Still waiting on some data! Even some Jumptrack logging using an Alti/Pro-Track would work!

Eli should be getting his PTS sometime this coming week. He has a welth of experience in the normal trackingsuit (performance wise) so he'll for sure be a nice measure with regards to whats possible with the suit looking at numbers.

Not using any device, but got 1,4 on a 1500 m jump, without 200m at the exit and 200 again at the landing.
Pts is very nice, but not for begining, cause it s huge.
Have fun.

You arent kidding about the size.
"Does this make my butt look big!?"
(See Attached)

Shredex, wondering how long it took until you received your PTS? was it within the 11 - 14 week quoted by PF?

Cheers

At the moment, due to a rush in orders lead times are around 16-17 weeks sadly. We're working on getting that down, but the holidays mean the factory is closed for a week and a half, hence the slightly longer lead-time.

That's Alex Polli in that image, not me.

If you want to fly like a bird, you have to eat like a bird.

Polli fly very good lines, no doubt, but still the distance flying we did back in 2004, is still hanging high both timewise and hight. Im measure how we performed at Gridset!

However, my ideal dry weight was 73 - 75 kg dry 179 cm. But Im sure with right equipment with less drag, and right skijumper body, will blast any heavier jumper at any time.

Yes do it and then post I know we are a cocky bunch but claming a dudes accomplishments are bested from 8 years ago. Maybe but really who cares, some I guess just stay safe and keep jumping

The mountains are there Paul, right outside the window! Les forum talk, more jumping! Us young ones are more than happy to take you there if you forgot the way

Sounds very impressive Paul. We like to see video of your 2004 gridset jumps with 20 sec canopy time without PF gear?

We had the pf first generation gear Shane

One of my flights from spring 2005 is on the Journey to Center Cave jump, and here is me and Kristian in 2004 when we first time hit the road. Before that we tracked to the big trees (finish line) with smoke pants, and it was around 26 sec flights. Jesus, do I have to prove we could fly or not? Old man talking etc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4R3XweN6R4

This link is taking me to "Base jumping at the tropical island" ??

Hope i dont have to apologise for my curiosity

Well thats where we should have been right now.

Anyway, this is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDNJ-FxarD4

The only thing I wanted to say, there it is a lot, still to improve, and I believe a long skinny skijumper can fly long and fast. Nothing else :-)

I was a skijumper, 60 kg, but my fav weight with my set up was 73 - 75 kg, 70 and 80 Performed about the same distance, but differences in canopy time ;-)

With less drag, and more optimised tracking gear, we will se huge differences in the future. Maybe new materials also will be chosen.

All with best intentions. Flame away

I agree with 434 that:

A) Polli is a beast, amazing tracker, and a lot
of fun to drink and party with at the Horner...

B) ceteris paribus, a tall thin guy with X skills
should beat a shorter/heavier guy with about
the same skills/jumps/suit/etc.

Same in Martial Arts, Bruce Lee or Jet Lee would
have zero problem beating the ever loving shit
out of any short guy their size, but a well trained
guy much bigger should win most of the time.

Anyone get their suits yet!?

I assume not so many due to the absolute lack of standard suits in the classified :'[

I got mine still have the other one for friends

If you ever decide to sell it let me know! Been looking for a few months now. (That is if it's the right size)

Paul doesn't have to prove anything to anyone...he already did years ago. The tracking you see happening now'adays is thought possible cause of him and others doing some really rad shit years ago...the come back of tracking really is owed to the Norgies...and father Ted...(RIP)

Not PTS but I'm going to get some data up on the Tube 3 soon.

Got mine in Thursday and put a couple jumps on it today.
Need to learn the suit before I can comment on the performance, was able to hold 69 vertical speed vs the 79-82 I get without the suit. Again, though, I need to learn how to fly this suit.

The suit is sexy as hell, but I do have a complaint...
I wish the top vents were curved back on the jacket and pants. It's like if you go head low at all it deflates because the vents only face in front of you...

Controllability-wise, if I try tracking in the PTS using the same body position that I use when I track in my FF suit, I spin like a top.
It's like a semi-flat body position that you must hold.
Unfortunately this keeps you flat and doesn't promote good forward speed. Or at least not the forward speeds that I like doin'
Can't go too steep or your jacket deflates...

Just an update:
After several more jumps on the suit I've managed to sustain a fall-rate of 63-65mph and obtain 118 seconds of freefall from 13,100.

The PTS I've got is a stock dealer size Medium and is slightly small on me. So better numbers could be achieved with an appropriate sized suit.

I'm 5'9"(175cm) and 130lbs(59kg)

Still no flysight, so no glide numbers from me, unfortunately :/

I have to agree here. I find the suit difficult to fly.
You dont fly your body in it as much as you let it take you for a ride.
The balloon pants are massive and once they inflate there's not much you can do but straighten those legs and work with your arms to adjust the angle of attack.
I find the suit completely different to the 1st gen track pants. Starting to think i should have bought a Phantom WS!

WHAT!!!!!!!

Ah hahahahaha wwaaayy to easy!

Its an awesome suit

Where is the fun in that mate You should of got a tube 3 aaron, it likes to go a bit steeper ;P

He is being smart and waiting for the Tube4 to be released. Or the brand new tracking suit that should go into production next year from a certain special manufacture.

I'm waiting for the PTS2 with Mylar inserts, booties and a speed hump.

It's gonna be so powerful you won't even need to push off the high ultimate ramp

The Tube4 is in production now. I'ts more stable and easier to fly than the Tube 3, similar inlet design to the Tube 3 but different shaped pants. If you're interested in the tube 4 feel free to send me a pm for more info.

http://www.pressurized.at/products/tube4/

Ok I've now had a chance to put a couple more jumps on the suit (about 10 skydives and about 50 base jumps) and despite what lots of people told me you do not want to fly this suit flat at all, take it steep steep steep just like the old suits and it will fucking take off. leaving the tension on the pants looser will stop you squirrelling around, and i have my legs a touch wider than on the old pants, but otherwise im getting more stoked with the suit the more jumps i put on it

The jacket deflating is why I don't like taking it steep steep. It's almost like they had the issue and their way of solving it was to add more vents lol. All you need is 6 total if you place/curve them correctly. Instead they went with a total of 18 vents! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oq6RssZvgU&feature=share&list=UUCTsLD1pbf69K_gMcZmIymg

almost all in pts, just the one filmed from the exit and the 360° are with wide pf.

These are all PTS ... but then again the suit don't make you track.. Just like the wingsuit wont make you awesome ....

https://vimeo.com/72988978

You should have an athlete page Patto.

Graeme

I would but there is no money in base jumping mate ....

Even as a Athlete hahahahahha

maybe In 7 years when we figure out how to not die wingsuiting then maybe then I will have one but by then I will be retired living on a beach getting my balls licked on some occasions and telling young kids stories of what could of been.

You're a BOSS!!!!

Does anyone have any empirical evidence versus the other suits.

Something of the form:
I used the PF Track Suit and flew 1.1 glide ratio 100 MPH forward and switched to the power track suit and flew at a 2.0 glide ratio at 600 MPH impregnate all visible females present.

Or at least something more like:
I used the PF Track Suit from High Nose and flew to the house and after upgrading to the PF track suit I flew to the road on the opposite side of the valley!

I've witnessed something like this. Did 2 ways with a guy from Norway, off High Nose, and we both made it just over the beginning of the last treeline near the house.
Than we went again, but I switched to prodigy 1, and he to a fresh power suit. And we both pulled maybe 15 meters over the first road. I have video somewhere if anybody really wants it.

Pls share :)
I'm looking to buy a track suit for skydiving and I wonder, is Power suit a good idea for a first track suit or is it gonna make it harder to learn a proper track? I flew regular track suit few times without issues. I'm a begginer in skydiving (100 jumps) so it's not like I'm looking for extra performance, just trying to see if I should consider Power suit as a option as there are not many second hand suits on the market to choose from.

I've done 60 jumps with a tube3 after a couple on a standard PF, and looking back i wish i had bought a smaller suit and flown the crap out of it before upsizing.

All the jumps i spent taming the big suit could have been more useful working on body position and AOA on a small suit, and then step all those skills up to the big'un.

Other's experiences may be different though, but there's a difference between flying the suit and FLYING the suit.

BTW, the Tube4 looks like a good all round option,has anyone tried it yet?

... was just about to say, the tube 4 looks interesting with its size reduction capability. Interested to hear a beginner's experience in that configuration.

After all that, I am still jumping my wide suit and loving it. I had the opportunity to jump a PTS and my first and and only jump in it was surprising. Super fast inflation and a want to fly flat, which isn't really my regular tracking style. I think with some more experience I could really harness the power contained in the legs, and maybe use the old jacket to get a steeper angle. I would definitely take the PTS over the Tube3. No one I know who owns one speaks highly of it, not because it is a bad product, but it seems to have so much performance and knife edge stability..

That last sentence nailed it regarding the tube 3

Anyone got any words on the Intrudair tracking suit?

I just got my ultimate suit in with a couple of sky dives coming off a pts. It's way bigger of course. From my limited experience it likes to fly a lot flatter its taking some getting used to trying to get it to fly steep. It has a lot of glide. Any input you give it you are going to feel a lot more. I'm taking it to Switzerland now I can give a better update after a bunch of BASE jumps on it.

I only have one jump on my PTS (so far), it's the first TS I've owned. I think at only 100 skydives and no WS experience it would be a wild ride for you. Do able but I'd start with something tamer. My experience isn't a whole lot. ~100 jumps on a P3, 520 skydives total.

Thank you! Yeah I decided to look for regular track suit :)

It's the way that TS's are designed, you don't get that great of symmetry.

As long as you have a decent amount of tracking experience, you should be fine with a PTS.
Took me 4 tries to get used to it and it was my first ever TS.
You just have to learn how to counter-act well. Sometimes the suit will wanna turn on you and just a little shoulder input wont be enough, so you need to know how to steer with your whole body.

If you watch some video of people flying tracking suits, you'll notice some are flying with one leg higher then the other. That's them countering a turn in the suit in order to get it to fly straight.

(Get your straps right to reduce this problem)

Are you literally saying your suit is sewn asymmetrically???

Damn suit always wanting to take a different line than you!

Thats people flying with asymmetry, and solving that with more asymmetry. It says more about the persons skills. Just relax, and fly your body like you would without a trackingsuit. Fix the problem, instead of creating an additional problem to counter it.

Check this video at the 1:50 mark, and you see a girl with 160 skydives freeflying, hardly any tracking, fly a PTS at a pace where even wingsuits need to work to keep up (good glide, good speed).

If you're fighting the suit, you're not relaxing enough. Just let the suit fly, and be smaller in inputs. In the beginning, it can help to not use the leg/bootie tensioners by simply taking them off.

Although that is a possibility... but if you don't tighten your cuffs, or ankles exactly the same then there can/will be different pressure on each side. Not much, but it's there. That's just physics.

And yea, I suck at flying, I know. ;]





My suit looked like skinny jeans in comparison to her suit! I had over 60 dedicated solo tracking dives before I threw the suit on, but the first couple jumps, after about 10 seconds I would just start turning to the right unintentionally and shoulder input wouldn't stop it.
I got it down now, but had to sell the suit before I could play around with it more...

Here's another video on the PTS (in the hands of the skilled/trained Dennis Ohlson)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni-untd9To0

Whens his Athlete page coming out!!!

Well he must have a rocket up his ass or some anti gravity device...or he's actually russian, that could also explain it. I don't buy it, must be photoshoped anyway. This is how PTS actaully flies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFcfWqmL5dc

Notice the flapping with arms to get extra distance

True that...who needs that pesky skydiving stuff to train/practice. Similar to wingsuit flying, its much better to start at it 'fresh' from a cliff instead of from a plane...

hahahah thats a classic... i loved the hands moving forward and the body going nowhere fast.. man give me more.. Its the offseason soon and i need to watch more of these..

 
Tracking suits give most of the power to the legs, if the pilot does not control that part of the suit then turns happen.
I would bet that the inbuilt tracking suit turn you experienced was just a lazy right leg.

I have roughly 300+ jumps in the regular phoenixfly tracking suit (use both jacket and pants) and had the opportunity to try the PTS a month ago...

Only made 3 jumps, but comparing these two, PTS has so so so so so much more to give... Being far from an expert with it on, but already on the 2nd jump I was able to start pushing it. There is a huge potential in it and they outperform the original TS by far. However, I can understand that if you're not used to tracking gear, it might feel unstable.

Was thinking of getting the PTS, but then the tube4 showed up and now its a hard decission again... :/

Yea, That's how I fixed it. Just lifted my left leg a hair and it kept me flying straight.
Video of me skydiving with it and holding an avg fallrate of 63-65mph and bottomed out at 59. (was going for max float, not forward speed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExlIwbHxTiY


I was amazed at how little I knew about tracking yet that's all I ever did. Everything changes when you start throwing on different suits and jumping with other people.
Then again, I have really skinny legs and it's as if the air doesn't register that they're there lol.


Wait for Squirrel to release theirs.