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Paralyses, losing limbs, stuff like that.

Does anyone keep track of such things?

Who is this "we" you speak of? Fill out your profile or troll elsewhere.

Sorry, it's just a habit from other situations. It just means "people". I've edited my post.

What a dickhead post. "bounce nice and clean". Thats insulting to anyone who has lost friends or had to deal with fatalities. Go back to your skateboard.

Sorry, I deal with death constantly and regularly - it doesn't really bother me and I'm pleased by using different turns of phrase. I had inferred from reading BASE materials that you often employ a similarly light-hearted approach as in skydiving, but I may have mis-judged it.

Mods, if this thread upsets people too much then I have no objection to it being deleted.

You registered not only a month ago, and have 21 posts in basejumper.com

Do you have any base jumps??????????????????

Fill out your profile..

No one will take you serious at all until you do.

You come across as someone who has watched a youtube proxy flight and now found out about basejumping.http://youtu.be/UcdUglRqI0Q

Maybe proxy the street like the above link

and you want to go wingsuit flying in norway with your limited skydiving experience (most likely aff jump#6 ) and your limited knowledge on reading how to post in the base forums...

if not then please except my apology but if i am right then. i will accept yours..

I don't see how any of this is at all relevant to my question.

How many skydives do I need before I'm allowed to know more injury statistics?

Why do you care about our injuries or limbs or whatever..If your not involved in the sport then we dont care for you

You obviously dont know how to speak to the basejumping community..

You wont get anything but stupid replies

Enjoy your journey...

Interesting attitude. Understandable, though.


Is there a special way to do it? I tried just asking straightforward questions but that upsets people tremendously. What's the secret code?


So I see. No wonder plenty of people still go it alone and learn everything the hard way.

its nobody elses fault you are a sick necrophiliac......try getting a job outside the family mourge?

 
The guys being given a lot of crap but it's really kind of an interesting question. I think the answer to it is, no and with the nature of this sport I doubt that you could collect such data except perhaps at a few larg sites. And that's really a shame. I remember Brian Burk out at Eloy had a little project going for a while. He was tracking non accident incedents. I think he was defineing it as any thing which resulted in a reserve ride or an ambulence. He started keeping reports on all of this and at the end of the year wrote a report. You might still be able to find it if you were good with a search engion. I don't recall if he continued the project or not after the first year but I recall that it was one of the most interesting thing I'd seen.
Close calls, nonevents, what ever name you want to use are in some ways more telling then accedents if only do to there higher fequence. I really liked that article some one posted recently on this.


Lee

It would be interesting to see what data could be collected just on these forums. even though it would not be complete it would still be interesting to see what types of things have been happening out there to jumpers that we would otherwise only hear about during the "humbled Newbie post's from the hospital beds" that all of the trolls so eagerly await on here

I made this simple Incident report form in about 5 minutes. all answers are anonymous. It would be cool if jumpers were to fill out some incidents that happened to them this year to get some data.

https://docs.google.com/...FHdzA4RDhsWTFGNFE6MQ

It might help identify problems that are not apparent in a fatality.

yep i think this is a valid question, as incident reports are a great learning tool. And the great thing about non-fatal is you get the 1st person account of what went wrong, something you dont get from a fatality, unless your John Edward.

When the ghost catches up with pacman, it's not a real fatalaty

Explain please

Yea, and for a lot of serious injuries I suppose they "could have" been fatal with just tiny differences in unpredictable/uncontrollable factors. The difference between two broken legs, or a shattered body and paralysis, or death a week later, or instant death, could be some small difference in body position upon impact or the ground they landed in. All of the "bigger" causes of the accident may be largely the same and it's not necessarily the case that fatalities are the result of different or worse mistakes by the jumper.

I would think that serious non-fatal incidents can teach us a good deal more than fatalities, due to their higher frequency and, as mentioned, first-person accounts.

I would worry that some of the newer jumpers wouldn't post their incidents due to the kinda reaction they tend to get to those kinds of things.

I aviation, they work with a so-called Safety Management System (SMS). That calls for several things, one if it is to report all accidents and incidents. That even calls for pro-active reports of occurances which might have led to an incident / accident.
That is not going to happen in base IMHO. Even to keep track of non-fatal accidents will be though. The difference between an accident and a fatality is many times just sheer luck. (160 off and not 180, for instance). See SMS above.
But, it would be good to register at least all accidents.

I'm not in a position to be nit picking some ones english but just for the record the FAA defines an accedent to be an event that results in a fatality. An incident is one which does not involve a death.

Lee

that's actually untrue-- an "accident" is death, serious injury, or major damage to the aircraft. By FAA, NTSB, and ICAO definitions. I'm too lazy to post a reference but google can find it.

An "incident" is any other occurrence that "could have" affected safety, even if it didn't.

Edit: left out a word

I've worked in aviation safety, and my job there was basically to address anything that went wrong that we could keep from going wrong in the future.

I think it's entirely possible to create such a database. I think it would be extremely important to handle the individual jumper's ego appropriately so that he/she is encouraged to submit all kinds of "mundane" details.

Subterminallyill - Do you have any experience with databases?

I think that this website could be modified slightly to collect/display profile information such as:

Profile displays -
Total verified jumps
# objects/total jumps
# of jumps from each object and associated ratios ie 2 span, 2 earth and 2 antenna would be 33% span, 33% earth, and 33% antenna
Aerials completed (could be divided into levels of difficulty ie flips/delay)
Technicality of jumps completed ( could also be divided into levels classified based on any number of things ie distance tracked/delay time or delay vs rockdrop)

Profile would NOT display -
# of injuries
# of tree landings/water landings

This would all theoretically be built from a kind of cloud based logbook. Using the survey style that Subterminallyill created to input data into a database.

Obviously, this isn't a perfect solution (it's just brainstorming), but I think it's where we should be heading. Check out the other forum topic "BASE organizing"... I think these topics are related.