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I am asking on thoughts from experienced jumpers with over 200 base jumps and mainly from the swiss valley locals as i have tried my best to persuade the jumper to maybe get his experience level up a bit more before planning on going to the valley ..


I was contacted out of the blue from a jumper i had met last year ...

the jumper in question has 28 base jumps

just over 300 skydives and has been in skydiving for 2 years..

5 are slider down (all of which are from a bridge)

the rest are slider up.

so in all 23 slider up from kjerag with 3 jumps from brento

They have an intermediate track


He is very confident and has been asking me for advice on the walls in the valley, after losing some friends in the valley and knowing the valley a little
i have tried to tell him that its best that he gets more experienced maybe another 40 or so jumps before going to the valley ...

Any thoughts would be great for him to see what other people who are more experienced them myself just under 200 base jumps has to say

Thanks for any replies.. hopefully they will see the thread and maybe read your comments

If this helps anyone else who is starting to think of heading to the valley then i hope it helps them decide

thanks

Please if you have low jump numbers then please just read and not comment...
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Re: [MBA-PATTO] Lauterbrunnen mentality
300 skydives is nothing. Kjerag and Brento are by far more docile jumps than the valley. I would advise against it at his experience level. If he is adamant, keep him on YO or LM and keep him away from the nostrils. Unfortunately, people are going to do what people are going to do.
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Re: [MBA-PATTO] Lauterbrunnen mentality
We have a policy for "very confident" people...
50 slider off jumps from non-solids before doing any jumps from solid objects, regardless of rockdrop or slider configurationWink

They tend to stay alive a lot longer with this approachSmile
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Re: [REDAKTOR] Lauterbrunnen mentality
Yeah its pretty hard to tell a newer jumper dont do this or that..

its all over the net these days .. and its like a dream or some bullshit for them, i suppose base jumping has different meanings for people these days then what it did a few years ago before the technology came about and how easy it is to buy gear these days....

but then again all the guys i started with are hucking wingsuits off cliffs way before they need to..

thanks for replies guys..

there was a great post written maybe a few years ago about going to the valley but cant find it anywhere.. maybe reiner wrote it maybe not..
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Re: [MBA-PATTO] Lauterbrunnen mentality
Were you looking for this one?

In reply to:
I am writing this because I am concerned about the very real threat that now exists to the future of legal base-jumping in the Lauterbrunnen / Steckelberg valley.

The many recent fatalities and accidents have again raised eyebrows and sparked the ongoing debate about whether or not basejumping should be allowed in the area.

This same debate has been going on for years now. - Nothing to be concerned about some may say. However, in the past few weeks these fatalities and accidents have attracted the interest of the Federal Office of Civil Aviation. They have also given strength to the many local businesses that do not support but who actually oppose base-jumping in the Lauterbrunnen valley.

Last week there was an incident that affected Air-glaciers helicopter service - A group of "fairly new" and not so experienced base-jumpers failed to call air-glaciers to ask if it was clear to jump- they also failed to visually check the airspace before jumping. They jumped just as a helicopter was taking off and passing below the exit of Lamousse. This resulted in the chopper pilot having to react instinctively and turn the helicopter to avoid the jumpers. There were tandem masters and their passengers on board who actually caught it all on camera. The deployed canopies were within 30 meters of the helicopter. The helicopter pilot was visibly shaken and very angry. When he landed he made an official complaint and incident report.

Yesterday afternoon there was another incident that affected the Shilthornbahn cablecar company. This also involved the same group of "fairly new" and inexperienced base-jumpers. They were on the high Ultimate exit, while there was a storm passing through the valley. The winds were quite freaky and very strong- coming down the valley from Lauterbrunnen direction, towards Steckelberg. They must have been around 60mph. Two of the jumpers exited and pulled low- both had canopy issues on landing. The last jumper then jumped and was blown into the cable-car cable. He was pulled into the mechanism and suffered very serious head injuries-including a broken skull as well as a broken back.

It is a well known fact that while air-glaciers have generally supported the base-jumping activities in the Lauterbrunnen valley, The Railway/ cable car company does not.

I would like to remind new base-jumpers and even experienced base-jumpers who may not jump here all the time, that there are not many places in the world that supports and allows legal base-jumping. Especially when there is an airfield and so many other 'air-activities' going on in the same air-space. This is a rare thing that should be appreciated and protected.

The Lauterbrunnen valley is not a place to do a first-base course or learn to base-jump! However, it is a a great place for intermediate jumpers to very quickly gain more experience and hone their skills. It is also a place where experienced jumpers can come to get current again after a long break or before the season starts.

The local doctors and Police have been very supportive of Base-jumpers and have always defended base-jumping in this valley. However, now they are getting fed up with all the fatalities and incidents. They keep a detailed log and record all the fatalities and accidents involving the doctor or police. They feel as though we have had long enough to prove that we can regulate ourselves and jump responsibly here in the Lauterbrunnen valley. There is now a general feeling from the local population that the base-jumping activites in the Lauterbrunnen valley may very soon come to an end.


PLEASE COME HERE AND JUMP RESPONSIBLY.
DON'T FUCK IT UP FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

Reiner.
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yes, its a quote from something Reiner wrote last year. i thought it was the post MBA-Patto was looking for.
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Re: [biker117] Lauterbrunnen mentality
biker117 wrote:
The last jumper then jumped and was blown into the cable-car cable. He was pulled into the mechanism and suffered very serious head injuries-including a broken skull as well as a broken back.

That's heinous. For those of us biding our time and putting in the work to be worthy of a BASE trip to this magical place, I really hope that access can be saved for the future and not ruined by the bozo masses.
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Re: [biker117] Lauterbrunnen mentality
Biker 117 is this a repost of something you wrote last year because none of this happened last week. It happened last year and those parties who were involved have already been dealt with.
You're not friends with the Camping Junfrau owner by any chance?
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Re: [psychokiwi_base] Lauterbrunnen mentality
yes, it is a quote (albeit not presented clearly as such) from Reiner from last year.

it's BASE jumping. these things tend to work themselves out. however, someone will always be waiting around the corner to "fuck it up for everybody else".

take the very recent incident in Arizona for example.
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Re: [MBA-PATTO] Lauterbrunnen mentality
maybe a few more jumps in brento and see how their subterminal tracks are.. then stick to the yellow ocean- la mousse side? and hope they dont run into some ignorant fuckheads taking low experienced jumpers to the high nose etc.. to make themselfs feel real cool..

and keep jumping the yellow side for a while (50 jumps or so)

whatever.. nobody listens anyway.
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Re: [Bartblabla] Lauterbrunnen mentality
Bartblabla wrote:
maybe a few more jumps in brento and see how their subterminal tracks are.. then stick to the yellow ocean- la mousse side

That's a common misunderstanding that people generally tend to have that la mosse would be somewhat easy jump and comparable to yellow ocean. It is not. Whereas yo is more or less overhung all the way, la mousse has quite small overhung section and the wall sticks out quite a lot on the lower parts. So by no means it is a good idea to stick to yo - la mousse side but to stick to yellow ocean. Please consult the SBA exit info summary for more details (yo = blue, lm = red).
http://www.basejumper.ch/...Valley_Jump_Info.pdf
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Re: [maretus] Lauterbrunnen mentality
ok never mind
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Re: [maretus] Lauterbrunnen mentality
So if yellow ocean is the easiest with a 10 second rock drop, why are nose 1 and nose 2 not considered easy as well with their 11 and 10 second rock drops, respectively? What about flower box (assuming you rappell)? It seems like all of these are sheer for the first 1000 feet or so, which seems to me like they should be equally difficult for those first 1000 feet. I know the talus is less forgiving on all jumps other than yellow ocean, but you don't have to try and out-track that part.

Not arguing - I know that the fatality rates and experience back up what you are saying. I'm just curious about how the rock drop on these charts relates to the difficulty of the jump.
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Re: [shveddy] Lauterbrunnen mentality
If you hit the cliff @ Y/O you have a much better chance to get canopy turned around, it's sheer.
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Re: [huckfinn] Lauterbrunnen mentality
I made my fist Valley Trip and did my first seven jumps of the trip at Yellow Ocean, then moved to Dumpster and Nose 2. We ended up doing Nose 3 a few times to finish it off after we worked on Tracking.

Side Note. If one has a 180* with line twist at Yellow Ocean the Grass Talus was nice to crash into and walk away from......I'm just saying....
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