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How do you tar and feather someone with a cock?

Why would you jump a building at night?

I am going to get on a plane to Hawaii right now

You have some very good points and I am not arguing the need for ethics, I actually state in my post I believe in them, and generally I follow the accepted norm to a point. I genuinely cannot recall ever being responsible for an objects closure.
I am actually taking the mickey out of the sanctimonious and hypocritical braindead "tar and featherers" out there with videos all over youtube etc.
I wrote a very longwinded post on the UK site and I have copied and posted it below. Please note some points may not cross the pond to well I don't know.

I also acknowledge we are on a different continent and you guys are in the Land of the free (free to do what the government tells you to). We seem to be a lot more liberal in Europe.
Take El Cap, you have specific laws against jumping it, nobody ever jump it now?

Finally regarding jumping B's at night. On several occasions, in the early hours of the morning, bedroom windows have been know to be opened and a rather irate, sleepy head has been stuck out and heard to say "will you lot fuck off, I am trying to sleep" Before you all demand I get tar and feathered for suggesting we all day blaze, on these occasions I bet the tired occupant prefers we did.

Below is from UK board full thread can be found at
http://basejumper.org/...on-bbc-scotland-news



Re:BASE on BBC Scotland News 1 Day, 21 Hours ago
Please ask yourself how the shard footage has affected you or any jumps in the UK or abroad?
50-1 says it has not in anyway.
What do you see as negative in the article? Are you referring to BASE in a bad light or the loss of an object or the word bomb/terrorism?
Have you read the readers comments below the article on the Sun website? Many more positive than negative responses.
Could potentially, quite literally, open doors!

Lets start with the loss of an object.
I truly believe, with the exception of the odd object like cold war it is virtually impossible to totally close an object.
Made tougher yes without a shadow of a doubt, locked down? I am not so sure.
Cold War was easy to seal up. Not many others are quite so simple.
This was lost (recently) because a couple of cunts could not jump it at the right time, they were spotted by the farmer who went directly to the site manager and asked them to seal it. This is a fact.

I personally think the quickest way to bring heat to an object is a fatality.
Unfortunately we have had 4 UK sites witness a fatality. Guess what? I have jumped them all post fatality. This is not some macabre boast just a fact. If the loss of a life does not get an object closed nothing will except the all important bottom line figure on a projects profit margin.
If we start nicking tools, materials or copper cable on a large scale, or damage the building and cause delays in the construction then yes they might look at increasing security because it is costing them money.
Will they increase the spend to try and stop a very very small minority from jumping it?
I think not, well certainly not on a scale that will make a significant difference.

So with that in mind, do you have any idea how much Mace spend on securing the Shard each year?
The projected total build costs are £450,000,000 so even if 1% is on security that is a bill of £4.5 million over 3 years. Mace net income last year was £12.6 million according to recent figures.
Lets say they are worried about base jumpers and decide to up security by 10% You really think they will spend an additional £450,000 to try keep select few out?
Multiply that 10% on all their current projects and it will amount to ten's of millions.
Ultimately it is about profit margins, especially with large multinational companies.
We are not a risk to their profits.

Regarding bombs terrorists etc. I am not a specialist but I am pretty sure a bomb of a similar size and weight to a rig would do very little damage 850ft above the ground, it may cause slight structural damage in the immediate floor or 2 but I doubt it would cause the scenes we witnessed on 9/11. So back to the bottom line, will the company spend a significant amount of extra money securing a site on the off chance a terrorist chooses it as a target?
Terrorists (as the name implies) tend to terrorise people, there are not many people in a building under construction. I think there are 101 other targets that would gain them significantly more notoriety/victims with a simple car bomb in the street outside, or they would bide their time and use a rig sized bomb when the building is fully occupied.
I understand there will be a hotel at the bottom, very easy to rent a room, what about underground car parking, bigger bombs without the stairs. Believe me 850ft of stairs is not much fun, saying that I don't think blowing yourself up is much fun either.
You see the thing is, MI5/6 Anti-terrorist and the construction companies etc understand this, Sun readers do not.
In the words of Public Enemy, "Don't, don't, don't believe the hype"!

Times have changed, BASE is already mainstream, we are not as EXTREEEEEEM as we like to think we are.
Things like Bridge Day, Red or Black, Crane events, Millennium Stadium Demo, Men who Jump of Buildings, Jump for Hero's, KL, Benidorm, BASE Race, Felix, the Valley (the list is endless) has put base in the public eye. We cannot change that so we might as well embrace it and if it is cool for Red Bull to make a profit from it why not for the little (punt intended) guy actually doing the jump?

I have no problems with either Dan or Silly Bollox's jumps or the fact they put them on line, sold them etc.
Why not? Very very simple, I am not affected by it. The Shard is not jumpable FACT! you cannot close an object that you cannot jump.
Silly Bollox's jumps is perverse if you ask me, a day or 2 traveling to the site, using a slider, hiking out again then the long drive home for 1 jump. thanks but no thank. Also it is impossible for them to stop you jumping it if you are that way inclined.
The only time i get annoyed with publicity is if it gets an object closed/harder to jump. In this case neither did.
For all the Americans to start demanding a tar and feathering act is a joke, it has nothing to do with any of them and will not affect them or their jumping, why not? Because I doubt it will affect London jumping let alone UK or USA jumping.
To many sheep talking (uneducated) shit on the forums. They read about events 20 years ago when BASE was still underground and act like they are the guardians of the sport while publicising themselves via youtube and Facebook. I find that hypocritical to say the least.
Look at the last 5 years of posts involving someone attacking a jumpers ethics etc, how many have called for a tar and feathering, how many actually resulted in any jumping issues.?

Simple facts are security is getting tighter on most construction sites, technology has improve, theft of copper has increased etc, and all before the Sun Story. We recently looked at a site containing nothing but a crane, it was already covered in cameras, motion sensors that triggered floodlighting all along the perimeter fence. Times have changed and so have our techniques of gaining access.

The men who jump of building is way more damaging than the Sun article in my eyes, It showed current building owners what we do, on what scale and to a much larger audience.
Did it cause an increase in security? No.
Did it affect me or you? No.
Do I have a problem with it? No.
Did it get Dan in to other objects, sponsorship and some interesting contacts?
Yes, and good on him is all I can say.

So what is acceptable in my eyes?
Well pretty much anything that will not make an object significantly harder for others to jump.
Lets take a well known pylon near Bristol. It has been getting jumped for 20+ years. Dead of night 3-4 in the group. NEVER an issue easy access etc etc.
The New Kids On The Block want to be all cool and extreme and start jumping it, it's an easy/safe object, so they decide it is a great place for a FJC. I have heard stories of PCA's from the top, are you kidding me? a 180º will have the silly fucker blacking out half of Wales and frying himself. DUMB BASTARD.
Now this really would piss the general population off because they missed the football or Eastenders on the TV. This would cause BASE an issue far more than any story in any media. You see it would affect them, the Shard jump did not.
Not content with this and believing the old adage of safety in numbers they decide to go mob handed (i have been told about 8 guys on a load).
Now add to that the fact Go pro's don't have night shot and it is very dark there, they need footage for the DZ bar to show how cool they are to the other Skydivers.
What a dilemma, what should they do? Hey why not jump it in the light!
A few weeks later a poor guy arrives to jump it and gets nicked all because of a few little pricks with no idea.
Now please compare that to the Shard/St Johns Head. Which scenario has caused the most damage?
We to they guy in the cell, I will put my money on the NKOTB.

If others are not jumping it and you can get away with it do what you like, it will not affect me.
If others are jumping it, show some respect.

Finally, why didn't I want to be named?
Well actually I approached the Sun when the Urbex had plastered it all over the place.
We had sat on our footage for well over a year with no intentions of selling it, but after it was toast I thought why not make a few quid?
After speaking to the reporter I basically didn't like him or his attitude, lets put it down to a clash of personalities/egos.
They offered me quite good money for my footage but I simply did not like the guy so I decided not to proceed.
They then contacted Dan because he was on file from the Wembley jump (remember that? WOW it was going to ruin UK jumping, the media sell out, shock horror tar and feather, hmmmm where have I heard that recently?)
Anyway Dan struck a deal with them, I had my concerns that if pushed in to a corner the security company might want to be seen to do something about it and could potentially contact the police and push for Dan to be charged with something.
I can do without the hassle so asked not to be named.



Shit, I have not written so much since I left school.

Just imagine if BASE jumpers before you didn’t give a shit and caused laws to be created against BASE jumping. It is very possible that the advancements we have seen with BASE becoming more mainstream could have been affected if past BASE crews didn’t give a shit about BASE ethics.
Michael

TK Hinshaw says BASE jumping is a spiritual activity, similar to religious beliefs

Wasn't there a time when NPS was granting permits to BASE Jumpers to jump objects like El Cap? But then shit went downhill because people decided not to follow the rules. . . I know objects in NPS territory are still being jumped today, but wouldn't it be nice if we all could get a permit and do it without going through a whole bunch of other BS and worry about losing gear, getting arrested, or being TASERed to death?

*I wasn't alive back in the day, but I am pretty sure I am getting this story right.

Roger that! I say if it ain't burning, it ain't worth jumping. If you really want to learn about BASE ethics, I hear there is a whole chapter in a book somewhere that is dedicated to me.

Oh and next time if you really think a fatality would be a better news story tree jumps. I'll find some whuffo who wants to learn to jump and give him a velo 79 to take off of some B.

The landing seemed fairly technical with power line, light pole and trees and cars. Not a site for night time jumping.