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WTF

I know you are "kind of a big deal" over there, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt here. Is this thing done/closed/impossible to do again and therefore its not really that big of a deal that you gave your videos to the media? Even still, I cant imagine going looking for trouble by posting videos of you trespassing. And whats up with those delays!? I again am giving you the benefit of the doubt that the only landing area was very far away. Anyway, hope the extra attention works out the way you want it to.

I could be wrong, but looking at these pictures there is probably not going to be a lot of jumping done from it once its finished.

I'm trying to understand what you're trying to accomplish. Would you explain for me because this just seems despicable. Why would you burn a site for no reason?

What a jackass.... Way to put Base jumpers with terrorist with bombs... Someone find this stupid roofer..

WTF, a static line from 840ft what a fucking tosser, i can understand a static line from 126ft but, from 840ft, this fucker needs to be hunted down and tarred and feathered for his so called fame, what an idiot burning this object for the rest of the world of jumpers.

The guy in question started the thread

For those tearing their hair out, and getting moist in the groinal area, over the lack of delay and method of deployment, you need to understand 2 hugely important things. Firstly, that Dan is a pussy, and Secondly that if you genuinely think the length of delay from a building can be calculated by your height above street level then I look forward to reading your obits in the fatality thread some day soon.

Small,but not insignificant, factors such as whether a 5 second delay might have you bouncing majestically down, what is effectively, Europes largest and steepest children's play slide need to be considered somewhat. Additionally, factors including (but not limited to)wind direction and wind strength, flight distance to landing area, tidiness of the exit point, whether a running or poised exit is facilitated and getaway considerations might also play into your calculations. Add to those, gear configuration suitability, stealth issues (loud cracking canopies at 200ft above a police station, or gentle whoomfffing canopies at 700ft), and the presence of other high rise buildings in your opening zone.

Alternatively ignore all of the above, consult the thoughtfully provided freefall delay chart you received on your FJC, and have an utterly splendid and satisfying day.

For those tearing their hair out over the shameless self promotion - I sympathise entirely.

It is also worth point out the Dan has more different B's then most of these muppets have actual jumps, even if you include ones from the Perrine that they plaster all over Youtube/Facebook!

I presume 126ft is your personal best? Did you have a can of RedBull to help get you off the edge because you are soooooo Extreeeeeeeeeeem! Oh sorry not extreeeeeem just a mad man

The B has not been jumpable for some time, the exit point was from the central lift shaft. The metal work below stuck out 60+ft and was 160-180ft to impact, not forgetting to mention the to crane jibs either side.Oh and on one occasion I can testify it was impossible to see the ground let alone the landing area. The fog was so thick, an on heading opening was pretty critical to avoid getting disorientated in the low fog London is famous (not as famous as Dan) for.

As 210 said it has become a very steep and expensive slide. With penthouse apartments selling for £50,000,000 YES £50M I don't think it would accessible even if it was physically possible to jump, which it is not.

A group of urban explores sold their story to the paper a few days previously and Dan cashed in. Good on him. Who would turn down £6000 for a little video footage?

There are around 6-8 UK jumpers who actually go out and find new objects on a regular basis. Dan has opened more objects in the UK than another jumper. Yes he likes his ugly mug in the papers but who doesn't? I bet you all have your Perrine pics on your Facebook pages.

Times have changed Deal with it! Sponsors (Just for Men) want their product in the public eye. Dan is just fulfilling his obligations to his sponsors.

I'll add that it's certainly not my intention to get involved in some riotous flame war and perhaps i shouldn't have said anything at all, not least some jovial remarks.

Personally, I would have (had i still been Dan's jump partner and had his ear) strongly advised him not to give the interview to the Scum, irrespective of the fact that the cat was (well and truly) out of the bag due to some members of the Urban Exploration community claiming some inane bragging rights a few days before. Without question, the damage was already done to that building in particular and to 'building infiltration' as a whole, and Dan's contribution was a sneaky reach-around on Mr Securityman whilst the Urbexer's anal pounding was still throbbing. The point is, any measures security now take to prevent further undesirable Urban Explorers will also affect the BASE community. It's the same bag of bones to the authorities. They don't make the distinction you or I might.

Urban Exploration and BASE have tried to co-exist and draw up some rules of engagement which might work for both communities, and in all fairness, there have been some fruitful collaborations over the years and a mutual respect and tolerance for each other's activities has existed. Sadly, it requires no experience, no training and little imagination to grab a camera and go out looking to conquer the nearest tall building, so inevitably Urban Explorers have come into conflict with BASE jumpers in the past. Just as the BASE community can not regulate everything every jumper does (and nor should it desire to do so in my humble opinion) nor can the Urban exploration community keep a reign on it's adherents. C'est La Vie, as they say.

Having said ALL that, i still think it would have been wisest to stay under the radar and keep out the limelight. Therein lies the difference Dan and I often encountered as jump partners. He is the eternal optimist whilst i am the arch pessimist. Whilst I default to doom and gloom and long term negative ramifications, Dan defaults to a more positive belief that today's 'big deal' is all but forgotten by tomorrow or as they say in the UK; 'Today's headlines are tomorrow's fish and chip wrapping'. I've often thought that a tad glib myself, but there's no question that it's borne out by the facts. All this kerfuffle WILL be forgotten in a few days time and it'll be back to business as usual.

Anyway, i think i've said more than enough for someone who no longer jumps, so i bid ye farewell and return to my retirement. One last thing worth mentioning though....... Pointing out to Dan and anyone who has ever had the fortune/misfortune to have jumped with him, that he has an inordinately large ego is akin to telling Rush Limbaugh that he has a right-wing bias.

It's not gone un-noticed!

6k for some old footage of a jump already closed is fair enough, but getting on board with the Sun newspaper in a sensationalist terrorist panic story is pretty cheap even by today's standards.

....DAN IS 46?????

Hey Dan, why on earth would you compare yourself, and BASE jumping in general, to terrorism?

Lame. Sell out. Uncool.

DTM is great, I want to be just like him once I reached his age...

reading between the lines, I assume it is British humor "taking the piss" out of the authorities.

guessing here, but...
- the UEs sold their story
- the Security folks responded saying it was not possible
- the UEs shared pictures
- the Security folks then claimed tight security despite the wayward UEs breach
- the Security folks fear a general security panic with the Olympic games in the summer, and periodic subway closures from bombs or just bomb threats. (I saw Victoria Station closed, severely disrupting rush hour traffic in the early 90's.)
- Dan cashed in, sold his story, and used the terrorist language to stick a finger in the eye of the Security spokesperson.

good?
bad?
not for me to say.

ps
by posting the story himself, he is also "taking the piss" out of all the naysayers here. I bet he is reading this thread and laughing, at least until this "buzzkill" post.

I love the "duty free music".

Wouldn't want to get busted for copy right infringement!

Yeah I said "duty".

Oh forgot to mention, Dan is a roofer so he can get you a good deal on the tar if you ask him nicely.

'Sponsored by just for men,'-ooo, that hurts!
And the'age 46' is obviously a typo.

As always, spreading the love
DTM.

I get it. And I also know that most people should understand that a nuke is to heavy to fit in a stash bag. Why people are hating...? don't know and don't care. Take care, Dan, you've done no wrong in my book.

Hahaha there are some people in here who needs to get out and jump more and spend less time on these forums... Cool building, good for you DTM

HE'S TOTALLY SITE NAMING FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!! On basejumper.com!!

Yeah so uncool..... London's Burning,

i kind of find it funny that some of the worlds base jumpers are moaning about this, and the very few active London jumpers there are couldn't give a f**k..... (me included). Like Jools has said "times have changed, deal with it".

DTM i called Britains classiest newspaper to inform them of the typo error, they confirmed that you are officially 46 and i was mistaken Oh have i ever mentioned your old enough to be my Dad!

Jamie

Was totally joking..

I don't get how dressing as the village people helped you get into that building?? Do you have to walk through compton st to get to the shard??

I was just waiting for Jools and hippo to walk up behind you dressed like an Indian and a policeman.

We were there, we are just a little publicity shy and asked the Sun to edit us out. We didn't want to steal Dan's limelight, he hates it when we do that.

I love my Navajo Headdress only problem is, my red feathers clash terribly with the jade of Dan's canopy.

If you ever jump anything more interesting than the valley or the long established UK objects you might bump into us in our outfits (I am the tall, good-looking one)


Laters big boy xx

Yeah dan told me about the clash of colour's...

If i ever come back from the other side of the world i'm ready for my Village people base jumping audition...

I've attached a picture of me wearing my Indian costume so Dan can coordinate colour schemes..

Might want to sharpen up your act jools or your going to have to go shopping for some assless chaps.

Keep well out there chaps...

for those who are keeping score, I removed an off topic exchange. it was taking this Brit humor thread into the serious zone.

carry on.

I'm pretty sure Brits have no humor, they are always deadly serious but on the other side they are so weird that the rest of the world justifies this by them being humorous...

What a fucking cock bag! First for the obvious BASE infraction, and second, for spouting off that bit about being a possible terrorist lugging a bomb around.

Yeah dickhead, anyone could be a terrorist and carry anything into anywhere. He deserves to be double penetrated in both ass and mouth by some huge diseased cocks.

What was the primary motivation in speaking directly to the media? What ever happened to ethics?

Duuuurrrrrr 6,000 reasons but apart from that there is also...
Fame, glory and most importantly, winding up whining septics who will not be affected by this in any way, shape or form.
Oh and quite obviously a huge dose of
LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!

No real difference than posting videos on youtube.
Still potentially reaching the same global audience, just a better way of marketing it!

Laters

Julian

I get the 6000 reasons to go to the media, but why bother posting it here?

Re: jade. There is no color at all that matches with that. That's why DTM has matched it with white, which is no color.
Re: 46. Again, typo, should read 1946.
Re: terrorists and bombs. Not too smart IMHO, it will buff up future security. I think.
Re: look at me, me, me. Agreed with Jools. What is the difference between joolstube and a newspaper...?
Re: 6000 reasons. If only.... I just got 800 euro for (jumping) the Eiffel Tower for TV.
Re: burning this site. I guess DTM only made it public when it was no longer jumpable, so, what the heck.
Re: DTM in general. I really look forward to be on the edge with him this year. My man!

Mate, if you're mother was going to the bars and clubs around essex and east london in the mid 80s then the chances of me being your dad are quite high! Mind you i don't do 'gingas' so maybe not...

http://www.youtube.com/...QdB3VrAYTpof_oogzldQ

That's a pretty hostile response. I bet your mother and work colleagues would be proud to read this.
While there are 2 sides to every story I think you may have missed some of the core facts.
Have a nice day.

Feral told me what a seppo was, not a pretty story that one..

I think the "Ginger" is your gene...... you are sponsored by Just for Men right?

I love your work DTM - keep it coming......

to me you are to BASE, what Rocco Siffredi is to Porn.... most of the guys on this forum probably watch your movies doing what they do when they watch Roccos and wish they could be anywhere close to his/your skills....

I am just proud having been an actor in one of your countless movies:
Dan the Man invades Malaysia
Dan the Man rapes Benidorm
Dan the Man and the donkeys in Venezuela

just to name a few.....



Gee
Lifetime Dan the Man fanclub member

dont forget

Dan The Man with the Lady boys of Thailand....

News just in.
The Sun want to do a follow up story involving Dan jumping Freedom Tower. All expenses trip including Business Class return flights and £10K for the exclusive rights!

See you all in NYC!


Laters

Julian.

Hey Gee

How's it going my diminutive German chum? You quit?

Ian

A lot have been said in the last few days so there is no need to repeat it with my opinion (which no one cares about really ). Just one point I would like to make.

I don't think what's causing this increase in popularity is youtube or GoPro. People know about BASE jumping and seen videos of it for years. The only new thing is proximity flying.

I've been quite involved with the skydive club at my uni in the last few years. Our club recruits about 80 people a year for static line courses and there are other 4 uni clubs in my DZ. So I chat with a different newbie almost every weekend.

They always talk to me about base jumping but it's never about jumping buildings or antennas, it's always about proximity flying. Some of them even told me they spent days watching proximity videos.

I can't blame them 'cause the clips are awesome but, clearly, the newbies don't give a f**k about jumping Bs and As. They just wanna proxi-fly! The problem is that before they can do so, they need to jump your local As and Bs.

Allow them to wingsuit off a cliff straight after x numbers of wingsuit skydives and I bet your local object will be half as busy as it currently is. Charge them $70 per jump of the Eiger so the money could go for a "Body Recovery Fund" and let the kids be kids. Once they get those awesome proxy videos I'm sure they won't bother with videos of a "go and throw" from some antenna.

Now... let me be clear that I have nothing against Phoenix fly, Tony suit, adrenaline base, etc... they are a legitimate businesses, the jumps are legal, I wish them the all the best and can't wait for the next clips but looking at what people said before, aren't they just as guilty as DTM, this Hawaiian crew, Red Bull and others?

2 completely different sports. Just keep talking to them about how cooooool and extreEeeeeme wingsuit proximity flying is! Keep them off my objects. Show them all the cooOool footage you have seen 'online'

P.s you can skip As and Bs it's called Norway. And prob more usefull training than jumping a 120ft B in the middle of the night.

No, they don't. If they are proficient at wingsuit flying from airplanes, they're good to go, especially if they make a few balloon jumps to dial in the dead-air exit.

An example involving two well-known people who shall remain nameless. One was a big-time BASE jumper and proxy flyer; the other had thousands of wingsuit jumps and no BASE jumps.

The proxy flyer was initially dubious of the skydiver's ability to quickly get up to speed on proxy flying. After one or two jumps where the skydiver wingsuit pilot flew effortlessly with the proxy flyer, the proxy flyer said, "Skydives DO matter."

Really, I'm curious to know how exactly you conclude that, for people interested in proxy flying, BASE jumping without a wingsuit from Buildings and Antennas is more important than skydiving with a wingsuit from an airplane.


Guilty of what?

Sharing joy?

Spreading pleasure?

Inspiring people?

My hat is off to all of the above-listed companies and characters. Good on all of ya and keep it coming.

44

I don't think they need to do Bs and As before they wingsuit of a cliff. As I said in my previous post, if it's up to me I would just let them go straight from their skydives. Still, there are people recommending quite a few base jumping before trying proximity. Perhaps I should rephrase: "The problem is that before they can do so, they most likely will jump your local As and Bs."

The purpose of my post was to show that there are other things that can affect base jump (like increase in popularity, with proximity being and example) other than an article of an already closed B on a news paper well known for being exagerated or some local news about a legal jump on the other side of the world or some event that promoted base jump.

I think they are guilty of nothing. Neither is DTM, the hawaiian crew, etc... My question was just food for the mind if you consider every publicity about base jumping to be bad.

I get exactly what you mean!!

Anytime some whuffo talks about BASE
they say "oh the squirrel suits" but they
don't think/mention low B's or any A's...

Which works just great for most of us

But you have to admit, if shit goes wrong and they need to pull while still close to the object, 1000 skydives isn't going to get you dialed into flying backwards away from a wall or wire, and object avoidance. Add unzipping into the equation and you could have trouble. I think the low stuff really helps for all of BASE. From an early deployment to a tight landing, I feel the skills obtained from flicking the low stuff will be an asset to the terminal jumpers.
$0.02

I admit no such thing. Each of those 1000 skydives includes an order of magnitude more canopy time to practice every kind of canopy maneuver imaginable, plus the opportunity to make multiple landings during a single day, thereby increasing your learning curve on that score.

And really, how exactly do you get "dialed into flying backwards" -- by aiming at the walls and wires and then flying backwards away from them?

As for unzipping issues; again, you can practice that on every skydive and, in case you haven't noticed:

• all wingsuits have cutaway handles so you don't have to unzip to get your arms clear; and

• many cutting-edge wingsuits don't require unzipping at all.

Moreover, even BASE gear has evolved to the point that one size no longer fits all and the peeps initially described in this thread want to wingsuit proxy fly, not flick low stuff, so while you're theoretically correct that all experience is useful, in this case your premise fails the practicality test.

44

It falls back on the jumper. You can have a skydiver with with fifty jumps, who takes advantage of the learning/training opportunity who does a thousand times better than the skydiver who has a thousand jumps and is still clueless about what skills are needed for BASE.

Arguing on this stupid forum is pointless and doesn't help anyone, but I feel I need to state that I disagree. When you have a wall, or an object, or an actual goal to avoid and judge your distance, over and over, you learn much quicker then if you are pretending every time during a skydive. I'm sure you have seen newbies do object avoidance drills at the potato bridge, they almost always fly under it during their first few floaters, or collapse their canopy, even if they have a bunch of skyjumping practice. You have been around for awhile and I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it.
Low stuff helps in emergency situations because in all reality all low jumps are an emergency situation.
(Just my opinion)
Cheers!

If this happens over and over, then somebody needs packing lessons and a Stability 101 review.

As for the drills, I concur, so let me revisit my earlier statement:

"If they are proficient at wingsuit flying from airplanes, they're good to go, especially if they make a few balloon jumps to dial in the dead-air exit, and do some object-avoidance drills not on a B or an A but at the Potato Bridge."

With all due respect, however, your low-jump reasoning makes about as much sense as the other guy: Let's repeatedly expose ourselves to a real emergency so we can practice for the off-chance that we'll have to deal with a real emergency some day doing a completely different parachuting activity.

44

+1

And more specifically, if you choose not to become an all-around skydiver or BASE jumper but want to focus on a subset of either or both, then you use your training/opportunity to maximize the skills you need, not run off in the weeds increasing your risks for a minimal return on your training/opportunity.

44

Agree with that 100%