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I have been doing some thinking. On a rig with integrated risers, you have two or three options for getting out of a sticky situation,ie. hung in a tree, drowning, hung up somewhere where the rescuers need you to cut away. Now, what do you do? 1) Get out of the harness, 2) cut the risers, or 3) cut the lines.

Now option 1 may be easy or impossible. Option 2 would be easy, but then your rig is screwed. And option 3, easy then you have to get a reline, not too bad.

Now here is what I have been thinking...

Take a rig set up for three rings, and make a set of risers that are sewn around the large ring in the same way leg straps are sewn to articulation rings on the MLW. This way you won't have to climb out of the harness or cut all your lines. All you would have to do is cut the risers. You would then be left with a working rig. Simply attach a set of risers with rings on them and continue you BASE adventures.

What do you think? Has this been thought of before? Pros? Cons?

Thanks.

i use Reserve Slinks on my sewn in risers. if i have to chop something, it's the Slink... too easy.

Photo?

Yea, I read that wrong, I was thinking you had sewn the slinks to your risers. Duh

well, what about risers using lbars ?

why reinvent the wheel ?

I thought the whole point of integrated risers was (besides worrying about accidental 3-ring release) minimal bulk and weight. If you're willing to integrate additional hardware into the riser, why not go one step further and use quick release buckles like on some leg straps, or Capewells?

lbars are fine. But Im talking about this set up. Why not? If I showed up on a jump with this set up, what would you think about it?

Im not integrating additional hardware. If you have a rig that is a normal rig with a large ring on the MLW and attached this riser Im talking about, you would be taking away the two rings on the riser and the cutaway cable, the cable housing, the flap with the grommet, and the white loop.

Ok, but then a rig with easily replaceable risers becomes a rig that requires a knife to replace them. You can achieve the same goal by securing the 3-rings with a string or some other link and removing the yellow cable. Should you need release, you just slice these otherwise normal risers. This way you'll at least save on work required to sew the riser around the large ring.

Right. I'm comparing this set up to a factory rig with integrated risers though.

Now that we gathered several Nobel Prize laureates in BASE brainstorming together, let's produce some nice tsunami which will change the BASE world as we know it.

Slinks were suggested. But they're small and require some ninja hook knife skills to cut them, especially in stressful situation. But slinks were not created for this purpose and that's why they're so small. How about making large slinks so that the loop is several inches instead of a half inch? "Llinks" (long links, if "s" is for "short" ) Easy to slice, cheap to replace. The length of slinks does not affect their operation (other than tucking the tab inside the riser when they're short; but tab can be tucked and held in place by using small piece of velcro, for example).

Voyla - integrated, easily knifable, cheap to restore llink risers.

What about releasable s-links, ya know, each slink has it's own set of 3-rings

oh, and here you go
http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk/...0/dinx-soft-linkspdf

Here, I made these Nobel Prize winning llinks using my ninja rigging skills.

You may be on to something!

poor photoshop skills brah

...and to hold the tab tucked inside the riser, just slide the slider bumper over it!

Now, we just need to convince PD to be a bit more generous with the length of slinks, and here we go. Does anyone have a good contact at PD?

Hey tovarisch, I just linked you a manual on how to make 'em. It's easy as shit!!

It requires login. Can you duplicate it here?

OMG, 300 kb file size limit, seriously?? Are we still in 1997?
http://narod.ru/...oft%20links.pdf.html

Cool, thanks! This link does not require login:

http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk/cms/index.php?/files/file/2780-dinx-soft-linkspdf/

Here is from Precision:

http://www.precision.aero/Wrap-It/wrap-itv3.pdf

I definitely like the idea, but I wonder if the webbing would scrunch up side to side in the slot eventually. Because there would be a large loop (you couldn't sew the risers together until a few inches up when they're over the top of the 3 ring.) Webbing will tend to do that on "slot" hardware when you can't sew the webbing right above the hardware. You see it on backpacks and luggage etc all the time. And a single layer of type 8 is really thin and flexible.

Heres my totally awesome 30 second doodle on my laptop to show what I mean.


I think what vid666 meant with L-bars is effectively the same thing you're talking about doing here. (the only advantage to yours is that I'm sure you could design it in a way that would allow you to reconfigure it into a normal 3 ring container for jumps over fast moving water etc.) but with L bars you have an integrated riser that couldn't fire like a 3 ring could, but if you ever had to hack your risers off you just order a new set of "L-bar risers" and slide them onto the hardware. Done. If you had a rig with sewn in risers then you are fucked. Although some risers are continuous and are part of the harness itself, others just have the risers sewn on with a 4 point. So if the shit hit the fan you could have it sent back to a manufacturer/rigger and have a new set of risers stitched back on.

No, this is what I'm talking about. The same way leg straps are sewn on.

You don't need the metal ring at the end.
You can make them with a soft closing part too.

you really, really like to complicate things, eh ?
I think it will work, but it's ugly, and seems like a complex solution for a problem that doesn't really exist.

here's a simpler solution, and I won't be surprised if someone is using this in real world :

Get a rig setup for Lbars, but make sure you also have them run cutaway housings (I would recommend hard, since your major worry is water) and with an accommodation for a cutaway handle.
Use lbar'ed risers for those jumps where you don't need to cutaway
Use separable RW6 (large 3 rings) with regular 3 ring risers and a cutaway system on those jumps where you may have to.

This makes the system swtichable, and versatile, and also less expensive.

thoughts ?

i would say, that is the best option. other than just using what you've already got. good thinking Paul.

Even simpler maybe would be to just tie your 3 rings shut with spectra line for most jumps. Just take off the spectra line if you may need to cut away fast (or have a hooknife handy). Safety Nate did this to all of his rigs ago in a fit of paranoia. Ill see if I can get him to post a picture.

Of course, that would only help if your handle got pulled out. If the white loop fails your still fucked. Seriously, why do we use gutted 550 for that little white loop? I know we dont actually "need" anything stronger, but it seems like using a stronger material would be preferred by all of you paranoid fucks! Plus, im sure mfgs could come up with a clever name like "power risers", and charge more money!

Its a lot less complicated that Lbars and removable rw rings. Once its installed its a rig with integrated risers, its that simple, nothing more to do. No rigging errors. No white loop to inspect. You don't have to check the length of the yellow cable. You don't have to worry about the cut-a-way handle. Its plain and simple. Its a rig with risers permenitly attached. Bodda Bing Bodda boom!


Its not ugly, its a really fast photoshop(pic 2)


How is that simple?



I'm not looking for all that.

Just got ahold of some RW6 rings, and been wanting to build myself another container as I'm not happy with certain things on the one I have now (first attempt). I may give this a go, I like it. Another option that I know people use is 1 set of continuous risers (with velcro closed channels in the backpad to stow them when not in use) and a 3 ring sewn in (or an RW6 if you wanted to cut down on weight when not using them) and hard housings for cutaways. You can rig it up on the 3 ring, rig it up on the sewn in risers, whatever is best for the jump you're doing. And if you wanted to do some fun-aways, rig up a canopy to the 3 rings, and pack a canopy in the container hooked to the sewn in risers, and do an unpacked or put a wrap on your container, whatever, and go play.

I would happily do it to a second hand rig I wanted to convert. But it would be ridiculous to order a brand new rig with 3-Rings just to go and modify it like that.

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Just to play devils advocate here if I was going to convert a rig I would probably cut the rings off with bolt cutters and put in L-bars

Seems silly, more effort and more expensive