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I love the vented 36. But the 42 makes me nervous. Is there anything to be skeered of other than the clowns under my bed?

I usually jump 300ft stowed with a vented 42"

vents are so small that they don't do much.

go for the less slippery f111. it oscillates and costs less.

that is to say: it oscillates less and costs less

But isn't as cool. What you need is something in the range of say $200. Then you will be invincible.

JT,

What about duty cycle? That is to say, how many jumps before you think an F111 PC should only be used to make a stuff sack?

~ Chris

What exactly makes you nervous about that? I regularly FF down to 270 with a vented 42 before getting out the bigger PC.

With a 42' pilot chute you won't need a parachute.

regularly FF down to 270
with a vented 42 before
getting out the bigger PC

Things to consider and remember when picking
the correct pilot chute for a particular jump:
-intended delay
-your exit weight
-your canopy's weight
-field elevation
-temperature
-relative winds
-landing obstacles

SO yeah a small jumper freefalling 270' bridge
over nice soft grass with zero obstacles, near
sea level, with a small / light weight canopy,
should be fine using a vented 42" PC.

Hell, she might be fine with just a 52" tandem
drogue, a pair han-wags, and a good PLF

correct me if im wrong, but - All the vent is doing is keeping the air from spilling out the sides as bad, instead of the sides (which will cause it to ossulate) it is spilling from the apex (which reduces ossulation), the same rate it would be spilling from the sides... you have the same ammount of pulling force as a none vented 42" as you would with a 42"vented. Ive personally taken a 42" vented off a 310ft with 1 second delay. worked fine.

Dont you have you jump in order for it to be affected by the air?

after watching all 750+ jumps at bridge day at least three times apiece, I can say that the Toxic pc's from asylum are hand's down the best performing pc's out there.
No oscilliation whatsoever, and totally worth the 200$

No joke, after i buy my WLO's from apex, the next purchase is a toxic 42"

I dunno, 100-200? I usually lose or damage them before too long...

you should be able to keep an eye on a piece of gear and assess if it is good to go or not.

+1

I've seen a Toxic 42" in action and i was stunned at how rock solid it was in the air! If i ever win the lottery i'll buy a range of Toxic PC's

I've also noticed my 46" distorting and taking on a oblong shape because it's a solid piece of ZP, the osculations that followed moved in the direction of the distortion.

$200 seems like a lot for a toxic, but if you look at the amount of time that goes into building one compared to a standard AV pilot chute, the price should be about twice as much.

I do not understand why a bigger pilot chute would make you nervous. How high are you jumping from? 42" is a pretty universal pilot chute. The only thing that you should be nervous about is hooking it up wrong!

A central (apex) vent will also theoretically increase the chance of a PC hesitation, because the initial airflow through the center of the PC can pass cleanly through without "popping" open the ZP material. If you have a ring vent (like a toxic, for example, but also, although to a lesser extent, like a vented PC with a handle over the center of the vent) placed further out, it ought to address this issue because the vent is not letting the initial airflow escape (and isn't really a factor until the ZP has already popped open).

Inflation mechanics are probably more important than pull force for most modern BASE PC's (because most modern BASE PC's will accomplish the pull force requirements with no real issues).

If you are looking for a PC that won't oscillate, F-111 is almost always going to outperform ZP (regardless of vents), but there are other issues (service lifetime and hesitation rate) on F-111.

I really like the Toxic PC's, but if you put a hole in the PC on a landing, you're going to cry twice as hard if it's a Toxic.

Amen. I give MUCH more attention to my 42 toxic than i do my own child of my own flesh and blood. Ive only put about 30ish jumps on it but literally even when pitched sideways it inflates and rocks right back to the center of my freefall where it stays. I am absolutely SOLD on toxics, at least for my 42 and 36.......
And i dont actually have any children. But if i did, i would still baby my toxic more than my kid............

Witch of the series of the toxic do you use? 6 or 7?
Thanks

And what is the difference between them? Obviosuly, I can see the picture, but can someone list the technical differences?:

http://www.asylumbase.com/...t/toxic-pilot-chute/


 

Another good question would be about the difference between the demented and toxic.

7. i believe that the difference is that the 7 has F111 material inboard of the vent, and ZP outboard. dont quote me though, marty can answer that question better than i

i have one, will sell it cheap. guaranteed to oscillate or your money back. only 80 jumps on it.

in terms of full disclosure, it's been hanging in my office for about 5 years, but i'm sure this will only enhance it's oscillatory characteristics. : )

Any additional info on difference between or advantages of series 6 vs 7? And opinions on the 3 handle options - internal, external, floating?

Thx

Bump. Anybody want to add to this thread? Is the difference in the 6 and 7 series F-111 or ZP inboard/outboard? I usually believe you get what you pay for but is this PC really more than twice as good as the average PC? And how does the Demented PC stack up? Thanx!

Well looking at the pic. the series 6 seems to have a wider vent than the 7...

Since nobody else wants to add to this I'm gonna keep talking to myself...
The difference between the series 7 and 6, from Martain;

vent placement. With the Series 7, the vent is closer placed to the the high point on the inflating PC ( this is subject to trim of the P)


with the Series 6, this was the first introduced. it is still in demand, so me make it.


the Series 7, is the version after, allowing for larger center panels, and making it so you can have effective differences with cloth choice.



_M

 

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