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Hi all,
I recent received a new X2, I have about 800 ws jumps with Phantom, V2, V3, sbird and about 100 ws base with the same wingsuits.
My first flight with the X2 was terrible, I felt like a novice, couldnt exit stable, not able to go straight until the end, very,very sensible with turns, in resume difficult to fly. NOw after ten jumps I´m doing it better, but farder to go to a wall yet. I though it was going to be similar to the sbird, but really far away. I was even thinking that something was wrong with the suit, but anyway I´ll let some other experience friend to test it as well.
I always heard that x2 was easy to fly etc...
Any advice on that? similar experiences?

buy a V4, it flys by itself

I like the challenge bro

Similar experience level here. I own a Phantom, V2, V3, V4, Stealth and X2. Have flown Phantom, V2, V3, V4 in base. Just over 200 w/s base jumps. 82 last year (V3), 51 this year on V4 in base.

I have only skydived my X2, because I find it difficult to fly with the precision I fly my other suits with, and don't want to regress on my flying and comfort level base jumping.

To me it flys differently, not bad, just different. The more I skydive it, the better I feel with it, but I feel like the learning curve is steeper then stepping up from each Vampire. I feel like I fly my V suits with much more leg authority and power.

As for the X2 being easy to fly, I think it is easy to fly slow and floaty in a skydiving environment, as I can do-nothing and bust out a 3 minute flight without input, but I think it requires skill and experience to fly it well in base, a more performance style of flying....

Or maybe I suck, and am just a scared punk. That's true too. I'd be interested in other people's experiences. I've seen people kill it in S-X birds, Apaches, X's, V3/4's and Venoms so I know al of the suits are pretty capable in the right hands.

However, often as my friend says, it's the warrior not the weapon. And some of us just are best with certain suits and flying styles. I know I can't hit shit with a bow and arrow without practice, but I could probably kill some stuff with a gun right off the bat.

Speaking of that, what's the best weapon for the upcoming Zombie Apocalypse?


_justin

Thanx a lot man,
I felt like I was unable to fly properly.
Anyway as much as I fly it, the most confortable I feel, but compare with the others this is quite difficult, I didn,t fly a V4 to test the difference.
Thaaaanx

best weapon for the upcoming Zombie Apocalypse?

Gavin de Becker and I both agree: Pump Shotgun.

PM me if you want my notes from Gift of Fear.

no way bro! chainsaw all the way, dismatling zombie limbs allows you to demobilize them immediately and then finish the job however you see fit!

Best weapon for the upcoming Zombie Apocalypse?

My personal favorite is the M4.


http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

After 20-30 jumps you will forget about it. It is becouse you should use legs that unneccesery in over models like phantom, vampire etc. We all feels like

Here's your M4: Unmatched unreliability

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

Here's a better oprion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8

thanx

Love my X2. Took me about 30 skydives to get to handle it but then it was "like a glow" ;)

Check it in flight here.

http://www.youtube.com/WsFlyingTiger

Dude, amazing video, real real good.
Now I put 15 skydives on it and getting much better, but still very sensitive and reactive with turns, someone told me that I just should use my legs for turning, and I have to get use to get the feeling of that before going proxy with it.
Do you turn with the legs?
Thanx

I dont use legs, just upper body. Dont like to turn with legs. I was told that to but didn`t like it.
You can turn with upper body with no problem after you have some more skydives on it. (the suit requires about 40 skydives in short time i think to get used to it)
What helped me was to jump after people and chase them in skydiving. And try to keep your arms way back and head below sholders.
Turning with legs will also make you turn like drifting with cars and dont think thats a good way to turn in base if proxi.

New video you can check out as well.
http://youtu.be/pizpG6TS2zU

Completely outside of branding, but am I missing something when people choose to fly huge wingsuits yet dont use the wings to even 50% of their capable performance (swooped back)?

obviously

Ok..that was the childish jab..now try again with an actual answer?

I see people flying huge suits (skydiving and base) and firmly advocate the use of flying them with arms swooped back. Than I see people in suits half the size fly the same line (Take 'the crack' per example), without wresling the instability and rough handling characteristics that come with those big suits...and again, as a normal question, ask if you could care to elaborate...

Smaller suits are more fun than bigger suits. Bigger suits offer a margin of safety. You can't make a smaller suit fly like a bigger suit but you can make a bigger suit fly like a smaller suit when you tuck the arms back.

Per your "Crack" example, it would be super-fun to be in the crack in a Phantom but getting across the big flat field to the crack is super-committing in a Phantom. Most people don't want that risk.

Bigger suits also open up lines unattainable in a smaller suits. You can fly a steep angle then transition to a shallow angle. Small suits have to do the opposite.

Granted each suit has its own range. But a lot of people seem to move from 'big' wingsuits into 'huge' without a real need. Especially when reading the prefered flying style is arms swooped back, it seems to me something one step down in size would take away a lot of the issues we are seeing with 'big suit' flying in both skydiving and base these days.

Remember the old skydiving formation suits, and the first "head down" suits?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtG9TCH2tfQ

Wingsuits is still in the developing process, and are far from being perfect yet. There are suits being designed and tested, but not ready for the marked yet.

Could you stay in the Dropzone.com forum where you have relevant experience? All you seem to do is shoot over here and make comments in TonySuits threads.

I'll fly my V4 for the crack and Fishstick, Etc. And sweep the arms back and fight and dive to get down into the terrain...

Would you rather I fly my Phantom, V2, or V3? My V4 gives me the most margin, speed range and fastest start. I could probably do it in my V3, but V2 or phantom would be quite committing..... Maybe not doable for me, since I suck.

You have ZERO base experience right?



Thanks.

You need to give Jarno some credit, he has spent countless hours editing badass PF videos, which makes him an expert on all things BASE apparently.

To make it easy: Ws skydivers suffers from bent legs syndrome. Ws basejumpers suffers from arms swept back syndrome

I was asking a question, and it was about big suits in general. Regardless of brand. With so many threads asking about big suits, and mentioning the difficulty flying them, compared to smaller ones. It seemed like quite a sane question. Having flown wingsuits of any shape/size (regardless of it being skydiving or base) I do have a wee bit of knowledge on the subject here or there..I dont limit myself to TS threads. Though do always see the same people take offense and get sand up their vagina

Im not so much asking about the black/white 'tiny' vs 'big' suit. But there are quite a few wingsuit models (again regardless of brand) in between.
Seeing a mention on needing to fly a suit, for normal flying (there was no mention about diving to stick to terrain) again, I thought it seemed like an interesting question. But interesting to see people not be capable of normal conversation, and rather turn it into personal attachs and cheap shots about base experience or (mis-informed)lack there-off.

Again...it was actually ment as a normal question.
I see several people keen to attack, and make this about branding, war etc.

It was a normal, informative question...if you advise to fly a suit with the arms swooped back for normal flying. What influences the choice to go for that size, and not opt for one smaller.

I know Im outside of my own arena, and only peeking into a world Ive only just made my own first baby steps in. But read my post again, and try and not imagine me sitting in front of a computerscreen with an 'I HATE XX BRAND' T-shirt.

This being the technical forum, i asked a question....please treat it as such....

Pot.. Kettle.. Jarno.

I started in this thread posting relevant info, did you?

Try not to take it so personally. Your biased, it's cool, we know it.

If you wanted to have a discussion about suit size in base, why not start a thread? The other day I watched a video on YouTube and it had a low pull in a tony-suit. Guess who had a tony suit comment slam?

Though, I laughed when I saw your comment mentioning escape sleeves. Typical brand war stuff. When you were in with 'birdman' how did those cutaway handles work on the Blade wingsuit? How bout the base pouch?

You may have a lot of experience in wingsuit skydiving, but your credibility in base is nil, and you are jaded by sponsorship.

Again, it's cool.

Now the thread is really off track. Good thing Oddren and I actually answered his question...

_justin

Mentioning the fact that it doesnt always work, and is strongly dependant on which clothing one wears and how the fit of a suit is, is simply a statement on safety. One that goes for the Venom in the PF line as well.


I know..I was the loudest one commenting online on how to 'fix' it, as well as telling Jari to change those.

Though I see you take my views as jaded, the question would not have been here had this been an Sbird, or Shark or name any other suit one size down. But back to the regular program...nice video...

It's about range, if your going to fly in close proximity to the ground you need to be able to fly steep ( arms swept) and have the range to go to a better glide angle in case you are too low or the terrain flattens out, yes it's possible to fly same angle in a smaller suit but will be flying near to or at max glide and have no range left if you need to get some separation from the terrain. It's why proximity tracking is so committed, smaller the suit, the smaller the range you have to use if you need it.

I'll stoop to personal attachs...

you suck at spelling

You said "personal attach" HA!

You aren't from Arizona!

...says the KING of misspelling.

your a towel!

is there any particular reason why people pin there armwings back to fly steep, just thinking but having your wings fully extended and just flying the steeper angle would keep more in reserve? i can see how wings back puts you at a steeper angle but cant you just tip it over to get the same angle without dumping lift from your wings?

What you describe is what I do to achieve max glide. Maximum wing surface area with a good steep angle (head to toe). To get a glide angle less than 2 : 1 I find I need to downsize the arm wings by sweeping back, inefficient but necessary in a big suit, bringing the wings back down and exchanging the dive speed for lift is good fun and can create some very impressive if temporary glide ratios.

Why is it nessesary, is it for stability or because the suit cant go any steeper or is it harder to be acurate with everything out?

interesting profile

When I was experimenting with my P2 and Flysight set to glide ratio I went looking for my maximum sustained glide position. Wings down and slowly adding more angle tipping position steeper bit at a time. What I found was that the max glide position was much steeper than I thought. As I went steeper the glide dropped away very quickly and a little steeper than that I flipped onto my back as I was pretty much vertical at that point, for me it's stability, arms swept gives me the steeper glide angles (1.4 ish) without having to go near head down. Small arm movements are easier and faster for me to control than adjusting my overall piitch.

wow! yeah i knew your commute was long to get to my house, but didn't realize you were coming from across the country!

with the amount of time it takes me to get to your house with traffic, you would think I drove across the country

on a side note...we need to make that video

You've lurked on this site forever, and *this* is what finally makes you decide to make your inaugural post??