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(570 grabs some popcorn to enjoy the show!)

Hi John,
I would suggest reading the other posts on this forum and prepare yourself for the onslaught

Look for posts with a lot of replies.

Send a check for $3,000 and I will send you a parachute, the backpack thing that holds it and a set of intructions on how to use it.

Hey John,

Assuming you are serious, be prepared to get a lot of negative reaction. It is a misconception that BASE jumping is all about having the balls to throw yourself off a high fixed object. No doubt it does take balls, which you seem to have. It also takes a driving passion, which also you seem to have.

The piece that you are missing is a crucial one--you need to have a mindset that enables you to approach it in a way that makes it a *repeatable* experience. That does not mean that you should not do it unless you plan on making a shitload of BASE jumps. It means that after each and every jump--even if it is only one--you are alive and *able* to make another one.

Anyone can throw themselves off a high fixed object once. Doing it a hundred times without getting hurt or killed--*that* is a pretty good trick.

The way to stack the odds in your favor is to learn to skydive first. Learn how to deploy and fly a parachute--learn it really well. Learn how to pack parachutes. Learn how they work, learn what to do when they *don't* work, and learn how to make them work reliably. It takes time and a serious commitment.

Or you could take shortcuts that could cut your life very short.

A wise friend of mine said the following in a skydiving forum. He was addressing it toward a young wiseass who was taking chances on things way beyond his skill level and taunting anyone who tried to reason with him.

You don't seem to have a shitty attitude at all, but taking things too fast in this sport can make some of the words apply to you. (I have edited his words slightly)


The guy he addressed that to got very busted up recently.

Once again, I show that to you not because I think you have a poor attitude or because I don't think you have what it takes to BASE jump, but to inject a bit of reality into your views.

If you want to approach BASE in a way that will maximize your odds for going home alive and unbroken after you jump, learn to skydive first--it is *the* vitally important first step.

I promise the rock will still be there, no matter how long it takes you to prepare and it will still hold the same rush when you do jump it.

I wish you the very best of luck.

Walt

hey walt,
The thing is,I dont have the cash for all the assisted jumps you gotta do in england, before they will let you sky dive...theres a wind tunnel thing in manchester,that i could mabye have a practice on that lol.I will be spending lots of time reading about cutes and packing um..We are all just dgit,s mate thats the only thing you can be sure of. john and to the haters ha ha ha bring it on!

The peeps that responded to your post are spot on. I cant understand how they didnt rip your head off. Ok, maybe a littyle bit. The question you must ask yourself is are you willing to die for the jump. If you are willing, you can find stuff on ebay that you dont need iffin the jump is more important than your life. what is stopping you? Go for it if this is your wish apparently you want to live. Otherwise we take this to PM mode.Where are you located at?
10k for training. I wouldnt get the 10k but after first jump course and buying 2 rigs.....
take care, space

hi mate
I have a chute you can buy, its called a 'tempo' , if you don't have a base jumping mentor to rely on for good advice this chute would be perfect for you.

 

 
Hi John,

don't be so fucking soft. You say you're a fighter? You're acting like a pansy. You don't need these know-it-alls to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. Fucking go for it.

They say you need to know how to fly a parachute? Horseshit, you don't need a parachute at all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...N_Face_annotated.jpg

Kerkko
BASE1184

You're one to give advice like that...

Being that you have entitled yourself to dick clown I would suggest creating a new profile and learn from the inane bullshit you have posted here recently, hope that not many people know who you really are, and not do ridiculous shit here in the future. And even then, please, don't ever, give any advice to a student.

John, I admire your ambition, but if you were to get gear, and make that jump, and go home alive, without someone seriously helping you hands on which most likely won't happen since you have no parachute experience, it would be by shear luck you survive, not a bash, just the best thing I can tell ya.

And from the look on Kege's pic, it's not jumpable anyway, at all, take a bob sled with you instead of a parachute.

Tunnel time is not cheap either. Tunnel is fantastic for learning how to control your body in terminal straight-down freefall, but that has limited application to BASE jumping.

You might consider learning to pack parachutes and working as a packer to earn your way while learning to skydive. That is a very viable plan in the U.S. Not sure about elsewhere.

Walt

Walt, as im only gonna be free falling for 3 seconds why do you feel my body control will let me down.I have good balance.what my main worries are..firstly. cute,useing it and packing it,and of corse deploying it.Then conditions,I would only think of doing it on a sunny wind free day,Then the point from which i jump,is it high enough and how far will i need to jump to make sure i dont get pulled back in to the face.And im worried about the slope i would have to fly down after the shear drop..Would you have a look at the north face and tell me if you think it could be done and if not why?Im gonna do a wrecky misson on the jump spot on a safty line maybe a month before,I think there is at least a 600 meter drop followed by a 600 meter steep slope.Been looking at chutes from apex at $1500.Gonna find out where i can learn packing from an expert. john

There is more to BASE than meets the eye at first glance. I had many years of skydiving experience before I made my first BASE jump and found it to be quite a different animal.

There are crucial differences in equipment, but it does not stop there. A significant difference is that when you launch from a fixed object, you start with zero airspeed vs. the 60-80 knots on a skydive. That makes the launch much more akin to gymnastics than freefall skydiving skills. The reason that is important is that a botched launch on a BASE jump can kill you in a couple of ways.

Botching an exit can make you have an off-heading opening and subsequent object strike. That's a maybe. What is *definite*, though, is that regaining your stability takes time, which is something that is in very short supply on BASE jumps.

There are people who are "naturals" at BASE jumping, and you may be one of them. Even those people must rely heavily on luck if they try and fast-track their way into the sport. It has been done, but even those people will tell you to *not* follow their path.

You will get your share of, "you're gonna die" responses, and that is truly a risk, but this sport carries with it the possibility of things that are worse than a quick, relatively painless death.

I hope you will very carefully consider the possible consequences.

Walt

After next summer, is the mountain going somewhere?

John,

I think this thread is about to degenerate into the usual mess, so before it does I have a few more words for you.

If you are really determined you will be able to get gear and get someone to show you how to use it. You might be able to bullshit someone into selling you gear over the internet but anyone working with you in person will know that you are a very high risk.

They will know you don't have the prerequisite skills to learn BASE so they will know that your chances of injury or death are high. If, knowing that you are at high risk, they are still willing to teach you, then they very likely do not have either your best interests or the best interests of the sport in mind.

Someone recently posted links to some National Geographic videos of a guy who fast-tracked his way into jumping the Eiger. Obviously the guy was hand-picked and a lot of time, money, travel, and training were involved. That presents a very distorted view of what it takes to get into BASE, even though it *is* possible to do it that way. You'd better have some serious money to take that path, though.

I will probably not be posting any more responses but I do hope you will reconsider your plan.

Best of luck.

Walt

Thanks walt,I appreciate your time and logic,i know what your saying makes sense,but i also think every time one of your so called (experts)makes that jump he risk,s his life or worse too,and with the anger i feel from some of them.I think they have the paracute skills from jumping from a plane,but when it comes too jumping from a static land point they just dont have the balls to do it.In fact they are probaly fixed line jumpers who just call them selfs (base jumpers).And it bothers them to think a novice could just step in and do it in a year...you can learn skills you aint got the bollox you just gotta settle for hateing the ones that do. ha ha ha walt will message you my email cos i know you could help me john

Has anyone ever gone in the red bull race without knowing how to fly a plane,has anyone who didnt know how to drive gone in nascar...no and no..Has anyone done a base jump with no cute practice,yes and i suspect its happened a few times..If you ever fancy a go at m.m.a .Then my gym is free to you and im your sparring partner cock jockey

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/...7748C6/John-OMalley/

I agree, if you really had a set of balls instead of a sad, gaping vagina you'd go buy a 'chute on ebay and jump it, or just use a bed sheet, that's what the truly ballsy folk do. Now you've got sand in your vagina because the people who do this with regularity called you out.

What's a sparing cock jockey? Must be a brit thing, I've never heard of it. If you need a kick to your ovaries come find me.

Yes, it has happened, but only with extreme oversight from master jumpers. It initially happened in the 1980s with one jumper who did much of his early jumps using round canopies. Little canopy control skills = round canopy. Be aware though - plan on at least a few broken major bones in the first few years. I've spent a year on my back from recuperation from surgeries from BASE jumping.

BASE 460.

I'm a BASE jumper with tiny balls. I recently saw someone get hit in the face and it was inspiring. Now I have until next summer to go 4 and 4 on a MMA pro card. Maybe you can point me to a good forum.

his record is 3-4 as a pro with one amateur win. (if the website is accurate).

I also noticed he has lost more fights than he has won. his first fight was in 2004 so he must be getting past his prime , I mean if he was going to make it big he would of by now.
Also he lives in manchester and has no money so is probably claiming benefits and will never get the bucks for a base rig.
I wouldn't like to get in the ring with you jonny omally because I have no experience fighting and I would get hurt, probably quite badly. and by the same token you should not attempt to base especially from an almost definately unjumpable cliff.
Johnny, why don't you stick to doing what you do best, sucking a real fighters cock when you lose again.

Good luck with your "Mission". Please keep in mind that one, and I mean ONE omission of even the smallest basic detail can set up a chain of events that you cannot veer off of. We had a guy out west here some years ago with lot's of skydiving, other sporting experience and good conditioning miss a "small detail". When he rolled into the dz on his wheelchair months after getting out of the hospital and showed me the video of his jump, my comment was if you would have taken less than one minute to prepare better you would have walked in here.

The best base jumpers are the ones you never hear about. They do stuff and go about their lives, enriched by the experience. You have gotten some really good advice here, some of it written with other people's blood, sweat and tears. Go forth make your mark in the world, Please don't make it an outline of your body.

I can tell you the ride getting the experience is way better than the act itself at times. I did a small jump where it took over 2 years to get the armed security guard to invite me in. The jump was pretty safe as far as jumps went but the planning and accomplishing the "mission" was the reward. I had two other witness' and no camera documentation. That was enough..

Now for a little "Lowbrow" advice, budget for Gopro's, lots of them. They will make you better than everyone else just by having 2-4 of them on you and multiple angle's from various vantage points!!!!

What I am saying mostly here is the journey is as big or bigger a reward than the destination. I'm sure you dish out humility to people in the gym who come in unprepared. What is the real difference in what we are talking about? Training, knowledge? Enjoy the ride, it's fantastic if you let it be!!!

I'm pretty much the nicest guy on bj.com, so as a caring individual I have to say, your logic is inaccurate and mildly retarded. You're comparing sanctioned events with non-sanctioned events. People have driven race cars with no race experience. People have flown airplanes from the right seat with no experience. And people have made BASE jumps with no experience. But, people haven't driven in a Nascar race, flown in an air race, or jumped solo in an organized BASE event. Do not compare apples to golf balls, it doesn't compute.
Now, to be completely honest, I think you should just go for it. Learn to pack, learn to keep your body stable, learn a few emergency procedures, analyze the exit, and go for it. If you make it, it will make you feel awesome for about a week. And if you die at least you died living. And, maybe you'll just get badly hurt, which is better then never having lived, right? Because BASE jumping is truly living. It takes huge balls and no fear...BASE jumpers aren't afraid of anything. I crush poisonous spiders with my eyelid, and prefer poison oak to iceberg lettuce. Did you think what it will do for your pro career? BAM, E hollywood story right there. And intimidation factor, you will have the 1000 yard stare of a sniper.

BTW, if no one will sell you gear, this link might help.
http://www.aero.com/...achutes/Makeprch.htm

Wear a gopro.

>>This "small detail" wouldn't have involved a slider he was told about when packing up for the jump would it?

Is it possible to learn how to correct a back to earth and learn how to track away on a wind tunnle???????

And is there a form of simulator to learn canopy control????

Yes there is , its already been mentioned to you. Its called skydiving..
Loser.

f u ball bag come say that to my face?

Isnt sky diving about body control and posture.and it only become canopy control when the cute opens,you in breed sister fuckin big mouth shit head

Jonny , a less than 50 percent success rate in fighting is good enough for you , I think that's because its the best you can achieve . But you really can't aproach base jumping in the same way.
Loser

so make your self know and lets see?
you know who i am .who are you?

If you have something to say,be a man and dont hide behind your screen,put your real name on here.Or shut the fuck up!

Its a small community, dude. You're the outsider who wanted information to be handed to you without doing your homework. Like the key to BASE jumping is a rubix cube and all you need is the pattern of rotation. You've been told how to do it properly, nobody is going to volunteer to assist you in stupid ways to jump off a cliff.
Most of us I assume are not fighters, however, your record doesn't appear to prove that you are much of one either. I think I would take you.
Also...
Nobody is hiding, you came to us, remember? Now, either go jump off a cliff with a bed sheet or craigslist gear while fucking off, or do your homework and put in the proper time to gain some experience worthy of help like you've been told.

Every spare minute i get im learning what i can off the net,and of corse asking the people in the know,but there an hostile bunch

Jonny boi
Do you want my name to find me because you need a 'sparring partner cock jockey' whatever gay talk that means or did you want to beat me up ?. As you are a 'fighter' and I'm not that would be really brave of you hey. Hardly a fight at all ,more of an assault don't you think. If you really need to find me then basejumping is a small comunity and I'm sure you could use your superior intelect to do it.
Tell me Jonny boi in the 3 fights you won were you able to outwit your opponent or was it idiot strength that saw you to victory.
At the end of your next mma fight just remember my words ' what you do best, sucking a real fighters cock when you lose again.

you sir are a bitch so jog on!

Jonny boi
Its hardly surprising you find me a bitch and everyone on this website a little hostile , maybe the problem isn't you maybe it really is all of us.

Have you considered yet that if you had come on here with a 200 skydive absolute minimum and told us you have scoped out a bridge with a nice landing area for your first base jump rather than a probably unjumpable definately hardcore cliff you would have found me turning up to you with my spare rig and helped you to do what you want in a way that would stack the odds in your favour?
Loser

Where do i get the money to do 200...minimum sky dives...you gonna lend it to me?Your the guy who started the name calling,I dont like to trash talk,but if some snob wants to talk to me like a twat, then i tened to respond in the same way.I dont want to fight you,you wouldnt be a challenge.Im not looking for any help of you,cos to honest,i think your a fake.467 jumps,from what ive heard from you,i dont think you would be the type of person to take that leap 467 times.I just smell a rat

It's a four letter word, work... take a deep breath bro. short cuts will make your career just that, cut short.

Try looking at the goal, then backtrack the steps to get there. all the internet bitching and stuff is pretty worthless.

People come and go in this activity, you must put in the real work, not just trying to glean all the knowledge from the computer screen. Use your determination to blend in to the group, bashing anyone who does not go with your thinking is detrimental.

If you are really committed to being a "BASE JUMPER", you will take appropriate steps to insure your safety, the safety of others around you, and the exit points that we all use.

Check your motivation, if you want to do a jump and never do another, there are ways to do it. If you want to have the freedom to do lot's of different projects, that's another story... you decide.

Now back to the regularly scheduled bitchfest, YAY!

John, if it were easy then BASE jumping would be something everyone has tried once. Start skydiving, its fun. You can even fart in the plane to make it more entertaining.

Honestly, I think this thread has gone to shit. If I may, I'd like to offer a suggestion.

Lets make this thread about dogs that look like their owners.

don't you think telling everyone you don't want my help is making rather a moot point, considering you obviously weren't going to get it .
If you think I'm talking to you like a twat its because you are.
You will never get the money for 200 jumps living on benefits but You don't need the money for 200 skydives upfront. At risk of sounding like a snob , out of my 997 skydives I paid out of my own pocket for the first 6. By my 3rd weekend at the dz I had my packing licence then after a few hundred jumps I got my static line jumpmaster rating a while later I got my riggers then freefall coach ,I flew camera and
Coached freefly for some other free jumps too.
you starting off with base is like learning to drive using formula 1 machinery. When all the best racing drivers learned their craft with go carts.
So stop being a twat ,if you don't want to listen you will be treated like a twat.

lol Thanks i have already learned so much.ha ha ha I will try not to start any more silly arse post,s

I wasnt telling everyone,just you.Im a construction worker and ive never claimed benefits,and im sensing ive touched a nerv with the fake base jumper bit,im quite sure you have experience in plane jumps,but i think your 467 is a huge exagreation by about 467

I've held back on so many of these threads, but yours was the proverbial straw for me. Go buy a rig/chute/tarp/sheet/umbrella/towel or whatever, buy it today and spend whatever amount you value your life at and then go jump off that rock ASAP. Make sure to take a camera though and if you live post the video. If not someone will have to hike up there to get the memory card/tape and post it for you. Either way I'll see an interesting video, you'll achieve your dream as fast as possible, and you'll shut up so I won't be tempted to read your pubescent drivel any more. Win, win and win.

do you think cher really owns that dog?

I know this seems a bit premature considering I've never climbed before, but I've had an interest in it for a while, and I'm a tough guy, so can anyone give me some basic information or feedback on how I should attempt a free solo climb of the trango towers?

Just kidding.

Jonny - go make a skydive or two. You might have quite a bit of fun and meet some cool people. BASE isn't cheap. You can do it cheap initially and spend a fortune a little later in medical costs. If you value your health and the athleticism associated with MMA, go about the progression to BASE that has already been well charted.

 
"...at least a 600 meter drop followed by a 600 meter steep slope."

DAMN! Sounds like a sweet jump. Man those UK base jumpers are just total retards for going to Norway and Switzerland all these years to jump off 300-1000m cliffs when they have a wall like that at home! Do you have a photo of the wall you're going to jump? Or can you point it in any of the pictures that come up when you google Ben Nevis North Face? Honest question, not knocking you.

Kerkko
BASE1184

I realise i rushed in with my comments on an unknow subject.I will choose my words better from now on.I have change my whole out look on this thing now ,and i am will to take alot more time,but im still intrigued with the thought of launching my self of a sheer drop,and nothing there has change.Im now looking up where i can train and get my packing cert.also even though ive been told it has limited applications im book some time in the wind tunnel,cos £45 for 10 mins is in my price range ha ha

I was wrong it was a stupid uninformed comment.

Read through the articles section of this website. There is a lot of good info on there that can really help you get pointed in the right direction. Also, if you think jumping off a rock sounds like fun, imagine falling for thousands of feet after hurling yourself out of a flying airplane. Not sure why people who have never done it think that it's lame. It's pretty damn rad.
Now, until then...Enjoy

I am saving the £200 for a fixed line day course at stoke on trent.6 hour course with a jump at the end,gonna ask about a packing course while im there

Don't know what the owner looks like, but it's a funny pic!
Walt

I think you need to look into that price. £45 for 10 mins is insanely cheap, where is that?

Haha, backwoods!

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