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Its been a while since I packed a slider-up rig, pretty sure I got it down but does anyone have a SU packjob video?
thanks

You can use virtually the same pack job slider up or slider down.

The only mandatory differences are:

1) Bring the slider up (at the point where you would be closing the tailgate on a slider down packjob).

2) Make sure you've routed the control lines through the rear slider grommets and the keeper rings (if you use the line release mod when slider down you will need to change this over).

3) Choose the appropriate PC for your intended delay (which is usually, but not always a longer delay with a smaller PC when going slider up).

4) Set the brakes as skydiving brakes (ignore the white loop on the riser).

5) Use the shallow brake settings.

Many people prefer to do the following things differently:

Remove the tailgate. If you use the tailgate and the slider together you may notice a substantial extra snivel (because the tailgate constrains the control lines and tail expansion pushing the control lines against the grommets is a main driver of the slider's motion). This difference is most noticeable at shorter delays--at terminal there is very little difference. If you are using a large hole mesh slider, I'd recommend removing the tailgate to avoid a slider/tailgate entanglement--if you still want to use the slider with tailgate style control, use masking tape.

Nose treatment: Many people change how they fold/roll/expose the nose depending on their intended delay.


A lot of it comes down to personal preference.

And change deep brakes to shallow brakes.

Yes. Changed my original post. Thanks.

I tend to use shallow brakes when slider down, as well, on any non-solid (i.e. no strike potential) object.

Anything different when skydiving it? Any issues packing it mesh slider up just like a skydive pack job? Also can I attach an RSL from a rented container to my integrity risers? Any insight would be appreciated.

For skydiving practice, I would recommend using the deployment bag, bridle, PC and risers from the skydiving rig.

BASE style (rings inside) risers may not separate properly in a high speed belly to earth cutaway situation.

I don't remember the details, but there was a youtube video at some point where someone deployment-bagged a BASE canopy and had some kind of entanglement between the deployment system and the canopy leading to a straight-flying but funky-looking canopy. Eventually leading to a cutaway IIRC.

Probably not a common issue, but it might be worth mentioning. Anyone know the video and cause of failure?

I've freepacked and deployed both a Troll and an OSP at terminal, folding it in halfs over itself when fitting it into the container like, what I would consider to be, the most common way to stuff Lightnings into a rig. Preferably done on a rig with the closing loop attached to one of the closing thingies and not to the bottom/back of the tray. YMMV.

Thanks Tom

Thanks Seb, I need to learn to freepack. You guys think anyone would ground me for jumping the integrity risers? I'm just hesitant to mess with rental stuff too much. If I make a mistake re-attaching it, it goes right to the next renter... I may just be overthinking...I could have a packer double check it before I return it...

Depends on the DZ.


If you jump the BASE style risers, be aware that the rings can be pushed tight against your chest in a belly to earth malfunction. This means they may not separate. To get the risers off, you may need to sit up and/or use your hands to push the risers straight out away from your chest.

Yeah I was playing that out in my head. Going upright seemed like the logical solution. Cool, thanks again.

I agree with SebCat.
Get some CReW-knowledge of how to pack.
It's surprisingly easy even with ZP Lightnings, and F-111 canopies with clamps makes it too easy.

In my opinion, if you are not comfortable with the reverse risers because of the highspeed malfunction thing/risk, you need to practice your packing and closingskills.


The video SebCat was thinking of is this:
http://youtu.be/JntccxoeYls

If you are unsure about reconnecting the risers or lines on the rental gear, don't do it.
Get someone to help you, that way you will learn too.

Looked like something snagged on the tail pocket. Maybe the bridle.

Cool, thanks Hellis. I'm 99.9 % sure I can put it back together correctly but I'm not going to put that on the next guy. I'll never rig up something for another person unless I'm 100% sure of it.

Swapping out a canopy still on risers is something that any skydiver should be able to do. As a low jumper, it's one of those basic rigging things that you should know. It will be tough to give yourself or someone else a gear check if you don't know what you are looking at. I would suggest talking to your local rigger and soaking up as much information as you can to help you be as safe as possible.

Be safe out there and good luck.

For sure dude, I am going to be a rigger. Anybody know of rigger schools that accept GI bills? I don't care about money. I just want to rig and pack for my brethren. I will never put a pack job out that is not 100%. ever.

Never ever ever. under no circumstance.

The military sends several people through Dave DeWolf's course every year. That doesn't mean it will qualify for GI Bill, but it may be worth an inquiry.

I was in DeWolf's course this past January, and it was packed with active duty military folks.

~ Chris

You think?

My guess is just as the description says, bag-tailpocket.
The tailpocket does not exit the bag until you have full stretch in the system.
I have a hard time figureing out how the bridle suddenly managed to loop itself just as the canopy exits the bag and grab the tailpocket.

But since the tailpocket is about as wide as the the bag it was in and has more friction than the canopy i guess it can get stuck inside the bag.
Also there is no lines that directly pull the tailpocket, the closest lines are the inner controllines, and they are quite far from the tailpocket.

My opinion is to not Dbag a canopy that is not designed for it.
The canopy is made for freepacking, so why do anything else.
If you are going to Dbag a BASEcanopy, make sure the Dbag is anchored. I.e. Directbag, as opposed to Deploymentbag.

That's the one,

reading the desc., it seems to have happened two times: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSPiqNIJWWI

Clickification complete!

I guess he didn't learn from his misstake

it may be a good idea to talk to the DZO or safety officer and explain what you intend to do. ask for someone to double check your connections when you connect the base canopy to the rented container and when you swap it back to the dz's canopy. also have them double check the 3 rings are configured properly for piece of mind.

If you do end up using reverse risers then be prepared to explain to everyone with a keen eye that you have not attached your canopy on backwards and that is the intended configuration.

also if you intend to do any full altitude hop and pops then make sure the pilot is aware so he doesnt circle back into you and make sure the ground personnel know so they don't think someone is missing until you show up 30 minutes later.

LOL Maybe I should let the next load know too so when they fly past me they wont be surprised hehe

are there incidents with the tail gate getting stuck in large mesh sliders, I hear this quite a bit but don't see the potential hang up?

One would have to put the tail gate into the large mesh and lock it?
Would not the opening forces be enough to clear any entanglement?
and also don't put your slider in your tailgate?

once again, any information on incidents would be cool, to subdue my ignorance.

I am unaware of any incidents that have been caused by this hangup.

I am aware of one case in which the tailgate became entangle with the slider and descended with it (was pulled out of the tailgate attachment of the line).

I was a military rigger that went through Daves course in 09. We were all active guys that rolled through the course. I don't remember any Vets using GI Bill. Though you could ask, I'm not sure if they accept GI.

its the other way around. The VA has to approve the school as an accredited university or tech school.

No, I absolutely realize that, I meant you could ask if they had. Not trying to put out bad gouge, I promise!