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does anyone know of a good packing video for pin closed containers??

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^^^ just bought mine the other day

I may be outta line here. But is there a reason your Mentor wont teach you? And, normally, there are packing instructions with the rig. Whats up. PM me if.
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use the search bar, dude. seriously! as a new guy myself I'd hate to be the one trying to tell someone what to do, but if you search bar "packing" you will get lots of hits. Add video and you'll get even more.
Unless you are brand new to computers (indigenous tribesman or over 65) you need to stop asking for handouts.
Sorry to be a dick, but the search option is there for a reason.
like this...
http://www.basejumper.com/...p;sb=score&mh=25

I think there is the Tom Aiello's downloadable packing video somewhere.
I saw a link to it on this very site, just can't find it.

APEX BASE PACKING VIDEO - Excellent video, i think you can orderer it for about 40 bucks on APEX Website. Jimmy packs a double pin container. Verry explicit and many different angles. 10/10

just out of curiousity, are experienced jumpers looking to these packing videos for new techniques and fine-tuning of their pack-jobs, or are they primarily geared toward new instruction / new jumpers with limited knowledge?

i needed to see it in person, physically do it myself to learn. I found rewatching the apex video AFTER i took their course and learned to pack was much more gooder.

a packing video? for real?

hopeless..

as an "aspiring new jumper with limited knowledge" i have seen 3 of the major packing videos out there, Snake River Base (Tom's), Apex Base and Jessy Halls.

all 3 of them are very well produced but none of them attempt to explain the fundamentals of a Ram Air Parachute or the parts and pieces of a rig. They all assume the viewer has an understanding of canopies and harnesses and how they work together.

of the 3 videos, Tom's is the only one geared as an introduction to Base Specific pack jobs. again, this assumes the viewers understanding of what they are looking at. He explain what and why he does what he does on the video. Very helpful as Im learning to pack myself.

Jessy's video is more of a demonstration of his method. you can easily follow along and do it just like him.

Apex's video seems to be geared more towards the experienced jumper. they offer multiple variations of packing methods and specific methods for gear they produce.

as an "aspiring new jumper with limited knowledge" i think all 3 videos are worth their weight in gold but im pretty sure any experienced jumper could defiantly learn a few thing from all of them.

Dude, if you don't understand the basics of a Ram Air Parachute and "parts and pieces of a rig," you have absolutely zero business even thinking about BASE. I don't mean to be a dick, but seriously???

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You misunderstood stood me. I was explaining that these videos make no advertisement as beginner videos. They make no attempt to teach anyone anything they shouldn't already know getting into base. They assume you already know the basics of a parachute system.

I appologize if I was not clear on that fact but having a "basic" understanding of a ram air parachute system and setup myself, I think it is my business to review 3 products that where made to show how to do something from my point of view. It's just my opinion.

Let's not forget that these videos are targeting skydivers with at least a little experience (Ideally 200 jumps at the minimum).

Could you please state your parachuting experience ?
Reason I ask (aside from being a dick) is because with limited amount of skydives (which is what I am sure you have), it's hard to have enough of a knowledge base to progress into more advanced things. Why do I know ? Cuz, obviously, I have been there myself :(

Think of your parachuting career as a staricase - first you do your AFF and climb the first step. Then you keep skydiving and learning "all things parachute" and end up making it up one more step to learning to BASE. Skipping a step is not recommended ...

PS how'd you get a BASE rig ?

About 100 right now. I'm taking a fbjc in july and I bought my rig from another jumper after confirming enrollment in the fbjc. The rig was listed on this site.

What is limited in your opinion? I very much understand yor staircase analogy of progression. I never made any claim I was an expert.

Back to the original topic...

My op was in replay to the question, "who primarily uses thes videos"? Well... I do! For the exact reason you just said. So I responded.

there SHOULD be a huge difference in knowledge between a beginning skydiver and a beginning BASE jumper. thus a packing video for a beginning BASE jumper may not be well understood by a beginning skydiver. oh, and surely they demonstrate (and teach) packing techniques?

do you really have a strong enough background for BASE? it seems like you are reaching here. I really hope you delay your entry into BASE. I'm betting there is a bunch more that you fail to comprehend that can dramatically affect your safety.

Thayer, at 100 jumps, you should know every detail of how a Ram Air Parachute is built and how it functions, as well as every aspect of the harness / container systems for skydiving. It was part of my AFF and subsequent coach jumps to get my "A" license and that was back in 1995.

It is assumed that you should have a thorough understanding of this knowledge before you even think about BASE. The BASE videos are not meant to teach you things that you should have learned over the course of your 100 jumps.

I know BASE looks fun and it is, but it will fuck you up like a $2 hooker with buck teeth and herpes, maybe even worse. Take your time getting into this. Just because it says 200 jumps for the FJC, every person is different and at 200 jumps, you know just enough to get yourself killed.

All,

Thank you for your concerns. I find it absolutely amazing that after reading these forums for over 3 years and waiting about a year after deciding to register to even post that nothing has changed. No matter what is said there is somebody who disagrees or knows better.

im not sure why anyone is saying or assuming i do not now anything at all. I certainly understand my canopy and how it works and how the harness/container system works as well. i also have a good understanding of base specific gear and techniques and how very much different they are from skydive and why. i have done plenty of research over the years on all topics i come across but never bothered to post questions for this exact reason. The other reason is any question i have ever had has already been answered by running that simple search engine which is more then most people can say.

I have not tried to teach anything to anyone, give advice or appear as an expert at anything base. I have simply made an observation about something and now this topic is turning into another "Getting Into Base" thread/Debate.

Sorry for offending anyone.

P.S. I love my live and safety is always on my mind. but what do i know? Im new here.

Thayer, I think 16 years and over 4,000 skydives, 7 years BASE with 500+ jumps has at least earned me the right to say that I know better than you, just as there are people that are on here know a fuck ton more than me. Every comment has been in response is surrounding your first comment:


Again, the BASE videos assume you already have this knowledge. If you buy a video how to grill steaks, the producer is going to assume you know how a grill works. They are not going to spend an hour showing you how to light charcoal or attach a propane tank.

Re reading my original post i can now see that it should of been worded slightly differently. it should of read-

"all 3 of them are very well produced and none of them attempt to explain the fundamentals of a Ram Air Parachute or the parts and pieces of a rig. They all assume the viewer has an understanding of canopies and harnesses and how they work together."

By using the word "and" instead of "but" may of been a little more clear that i was offering a review of the products. nothing more. the word "but" sounds like i was expecting something different and I certainly wasn't implying my expectations of the videos were to teach me what a canopy or harness and container was. it was not my intent to sound like a complete newbie or to claim I know anything more then anyone else.

Im just here because I want to learn and be involved.

The old Basic Research video does.

Not that it started great, but this thread went to shit quick. Thayer, I'm not sure why everybody jumped on you about your statement, it never seemed to me that you were trying to give anybody advice. However, you look like an idiot trying to explain yourself (I'm okay with you telling me to fuck off, you probably should have just started with that in the first place).

As for the OP. If you need a video to learn how to BASE jump, you're going to die. But all the videos offer some nice tools for those looking to maybe try something new, or just to see what is out there. I use a little from Tom's video (rolling the nose into the center cell instead of folding it), a little from Jesse's video (Tilley folds), and most of which I learned from my mentor (to much to list). There is no BEST anymore, only BASE. And in BASE if I've had anything pounded into me more (no homo) its that there is no one best method for anything because there are to many other variables. So what I think is "best" may not be what you think is "best." Get it?

But learning to flat pack a canopy from a video is like learning to swim from filleting a fish.

thats ok. i am an idiot.

Ok then. My bad and apologies. But still be careful fucker.