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Hi people.

I'm not really involved myself in BASE jumping, or any other similar activity.
Though i've been thinking about, and also researching slightly, about the possibility to extend wingsuits.
I've been pointed here by a friend, for maybe finding interested people. For both the idea, and even a possibility to build a prototype. In fact i'm also wondering if there are persons here skilled in wingsuits building.

But, i'm not skilled in the field, and have very little knowledge.
So are there here some skilled person in that field?
Of which maybe i could talk to determine if what i have in mind is even to be considered seriously?

I'm asking first, cause i don't want to harass much people here, for something that maybe could be out of place.

What do you have in mind?

There are lots of people working on building better wingsuits. I'm not sure if your ideas will be new to them, but it's easier to say if you were to tell us you are thinking about.

Well, my idea could be quite different than 'a wingsuit'.
It's suit-oriented, but it's like mixing a hangglider to a wingsuit.

Main thing there would be to make gear transportation more easy, no assembling etc, which would mean integrating it into a suit. I believe that today technologies could pretty well achieve the right materials etc.

But, to show something:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/...a40_kiantis_high.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/...a41_kiantis_high.jpg

Wingspan should be approx. around 8 or 7 meters.
The thing for the gloves is just a side idea for helping climbing, but it needs to be refined some, i'm currently researching on that part.

Also made a model into x-plane (flight simulator)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/...O4TBMx1AeA/kifly.jpg
And recorded some videos of the simulation-testing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5JhS-3GJN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFR2eRxf4KI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Gv4XAIxVo

Glides around 45 knots of speed... and stalls around 29 knots.

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I believe that a suit like that could be a future basis for a new transportation system too, but mayhe now i'm just fantasying.
Still, future or not, i could have some money i'm saving (thousands) to finance a building... but i'm not even sure how much something like that would require.
And i was sorta searching some expert builder that could advise or even accept the challenge.

It's got a tail. I'm pretty sure the wingsuit guys haven't thought of that one yet.

Sure looks cool.

What would make it better than just flying a hang glider? It looks a lot more similar to a stylized hang glider than a wingsuit, to me.

Looks like it is supposed to land without any parachute..

Well, first of all, more direct control of flight. I guess it's also the main point of suits, afterall. Or maybe some control surfaces, dunno yet. Second, more practical to use: no assembling, just fold/unfold and you go walking with it, that's why i thought about integrated climbing too. Third... well it's a secret, but i could talk about it with the direct interested persons.

Apart form that, the general issue where i focus here is the practical matters. Having something that you can just wear and use at need time may be quite a killing feature. If possible the suit could be weared even for normal daily activities. And i also believe this could be lighter than an actual hang glider, which goes around 20kg if i recall right. But not much sure on that.

It may seem a slight difference, but dunno how, to me is quite a big one.

Exactly.
Maybe rollerblades though. 29 knots may be too speedy to land running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmvjlwpf6Wg

For the win!
That one didn't fly because it lacked the necessary claws.

Oh I knew of it. Even before posting.
Could you be able to say what was the main problem in that video?

Hang-gliders fly, and also take off. It's a fact.
People use wingsuits, and i guess i don't need to say it's a fact in a forum like this.

The simulator I've used calculates all variables dynamically based on the model of the craft, and i guess i got decent simulation on my videos. But i still don't have means to test it RL. Cirrus has developed a plane over that simulator even before actually building it, and it seemed to turn out pretty good. Not that i'm pretending anything, but trying doesn't cost.

I'd be interested, though, to talk this with someone expert on the matter, that could be able to articulate replies with his own words.

http://www.youtube.com/...0h6BzNwACDs&NR=1

Fast forward to 5:56.

a little over a year ago, we had a visitor that wanted to extend the wings of a wingsuit and land on a unicycle. thankfully you are skipping the unicycle part!

your aerodynamics might work, but the drawing shows no realistic structural members (that I can discern). ever watch Men's Gymnastics? have you seen them flipping around on the rings? I know I'll never be able to do an "Iron Cross!" without a proper structure, the pilot will never have the strength to make that suit fly.

heck, it's easy to test. get 2 ladders, and mock up a wingsuit structure. place the ladders 8-10 feet apart, and see if you can hold yourself in place, suspended between the ladders.

a proper structure will likely lose portability and ease of assembly.


but hey, I could be wrong...


(if you find the other thread, you might find more thoughts on the matter. Dark_Knight was the user posting the inquiry.)

I don't understand what you mean? If your device is a wing with a rigid structure supporting it, how is it more directly controlled than a hang glider?



It is?

I thought the main point of wingsuits initially was that you could get them out the door of the aircraft fairly easily. Look at all the contortions Yves Rossi had to go through with his initial designs, trying to get to altitude to test them.



That's a fairly interesting point. Is the structure strong enough, even with the folding mechanism, to support flight?

The idea of a folding hang glider that is easy to carry and unfold to fly is fairly intriguing. It still seems more like a hang glider than a wingsuit, though.

Would it fit through the door of an aircraft in folded form? And could you unfold it in freefall to transition to flight? Would the structure support that kind of transition?

How much weed to you really smoke?

Or is it Kief Hash?

Are the claws for fighting with another BASE jumper mid-flight? I could see this being an advantage to Jeb if the other jumper was going to try to land without a parachute he could attack them mid-flight.

It would be easier if the helmet had "eyes" that shot laser beams. : )

Seriously, I remember trying to play laser tag on a skydive once. It didn't work out nearly as well as we'd envisioned.

What, like going to a comic-book convention?

Nevermind anyway, it looks like it's only designed for beings with three toes and four fingers...

Im not a wingsuiter, so please forgive me, but what are the claws for again?

Thanks

And each hand and foot is missing something.

Gentlemen, I think we've got a furry on our hands.

check out the bitching wingsuit design at 9:13

This thread has made my day! awesome.

For climbing purposes, of course. Please..... pay attention.

Im trying. Im taking notes as best I can.

Looks like what might be spawned

if Jeb ever fucked a pterodactyl

Too late, already done:

http://www.vertical-visions.com/...c/FLUGTAG03_0016.php

http://www.vertical-visions.com/...c/FLUGTAG03_0018.php