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Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Our plan is to take off from an Airboard which will have two stages at a steep hill, fly a qualified distance and land on the second inflatable stage that will protect your chest besides have snow runners to make your sliding to stop more controlled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYVm-iu1L88
http://www.vimeo.com/18954315
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Put a wingsuit on, film it, put it on youtube and send it to Jeb Wink
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
So it's a three way race now ? :D
http://www.push-it.biz/


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/Antti

edit: to make clicky
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Re: [Aave] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
For me it is not a race. I would like to see this project succeed, because it is taking the whole idea back to the basic with a take off from ground and land. Learning by doing in a smaller scale.

http://www.youtube.com/...ek#p/u/4/fQhbjCkAMQ8

The first take off for the Wright brothers, the first hanglider etc. It is all in the history with the very small steps that created what we see today.
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Maybe its time to start learning to fly a wingsuit Paul Wink
Griset imorgo?
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
I am so offended Dunny http://www.facebook.com/...8445598&comments
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
haha There you go, 9yrs experiance! Just land it on an airboard. I know a guy that may loan you 1 Wink
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
it is not only landing, but the take off, with a two stage system. Fly some few meters and touch down, and then repeat. What could possible go wrong?
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Umm your face Pirate
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Well, if you compare with the other landing projects I am a bit more optimistic about doing it the (W)right way in small steps. it depnce the angel and speed that need to take off, and the construction of the landing board + surface.
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Go flaks kompis
May the force be with you
Griset tomorrow?
Cool
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
It is raining my friend. I got Airboard training to do first, then ride off Gridset in the spring. Next winter we start testing the new design of landing gear.
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
ALRIGHT thats the spirit, just before E.O.T.W. dec 2012 Wink
Aave ya better wake up Jeb some1 is looking good for camera time!!

ps: rain has stopped 0c at 0230 perfect conditions 1300

BSBD
Måndalen BASE
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Read "Our" plan ;-)

Do you want to be a test pilot?
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Think this is close as i ever want to get to landing a WS Unsure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRmB4J2dHIg
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
It really put the wingsuitlanding in to a different perspektiv.

Glad you are okay mate. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Why not just land a WS like this mate??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4c4DhVVAwU
Norges been doing it for yonks Wink
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Dunny wrote:
Why not just land a WS like this mate??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4c4DhVVAwU
Norges been doing it for yonks Wink

Been there done that! Time for new toys :-)

The most interesting part about this project is the take off and start flying efficient. Landing this shit, is stupid, but necessary for the project in the learning process. Just imagine you can take off in your wingsuit with your small canopy light weight transport to safe ground thing :-)

This is one part of the wingsuit future.
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
[Been there done that! Time for new toys :-)
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Cool Please post vid. I been waiting ages to see WS ski jumper Smile
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Oh, I ment skijumping and landing on skies as landing gear I have not landed a wingsuit on skies.

The jump with a wingsuit is not especially complicated, but it is complicated to transform the speed and energy in to efficient wingsuit flying, and I do not think that is så interesting thinking of how much the landing gear (skies) will ruin a good flight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZizIbSpI-g
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
http://www.youtube.com/...t=PLD1AF474F4C46C046
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Holy shit!
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Jamie Hyneman from Mythbusters could calculate how to do this in like 5 minutes. I'm just sayin...
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
The angle of attack, is the challenge landing a wingsuit. I know there is 4 different projects working/planning on it, but everyone stalls on this chanllenge, except Jeb´s tube landing, where I do not know all details, how he is going to solve the angle of attack.

Skijump hill data Take off speed - leanding speed
http://www.vikersund.no/en/the-skiflying-hill/

WR skijumping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zropy8eVHsw
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
434 wrote:
except Jeb´s tube landing, where I do not know all details, how he is going to solve the angle of attack.

His slap-and-flop showed that he didn't think about it (prior to reading about it in the Incidents forum Angelic).

From the Popular Mechanics article:

"Corliss is doing 100 mph, and he'll land on his rib cage, not his legs."



While it's exactly the opposite: first, feet will touch the landing ramp, while head will be flying 2-4ft above the surface (depending on AoA), and then he needs to somehow gracefully reduce the angle and transition into sliding on his rib cage. So, even if he achieves a gentle touch down with his feet, it'll be a challenge not to flop or do an epic faceplant.



So far Jeb has demonstrated three things:

1. He's tougher than Darwin.
2. He has a ginormous bucket of luck.
3. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Re: [yuri_base] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Trust me, we have been talking about it, and been aware of it far longer than you have been jumping. At least part of the forum. Jeb have not shared his plan about it yet.

I have an idea, but then the whole wing attachment construction have to be rebuilt.

This is the first time we realized the flight angle.

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
I had this idea before you were conceived. Tongue

Superterminal Wingsuit



Basically, a suit with built-in angle of incidence in the wings, which will allow you to fly with your body-fuselage aligned with the airflow - just like an airplane. When coming for landing, your body will be stretched parallel to landing surface, at least preventing the epic flop that Jeb demonstrated.
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Re: [yuri_base] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
I know I am an ass somtimes, but you are a bit ignorant to Laugh

Loic´s flight was made 2002 or 2003.
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
434 wrote:
Loic´s flight was made 2002 or 2003.

It doesn't matter when it was made, because you can't land this way anyway until the problem with AoA is solved. You can't fly wingsuit (as of this time) above snowy slope and lick snow - your feet will touch first, causing an epic faceplant and neck-breaking cartwheel.


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Re: [yuri_base] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Well he got the touch n go worked out Wink
Time for stage 2 ?? Crazy
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Thats where the new rigged wings set up with neck provider comes in with the second stage Airboard for smooth touch down.

Im telling you, take off, land, take off land until you have enough efficient data to make longer flights.

Easi, when you look back at how it all started right?

It is important when you claim you was the one who started tinking about from a science perspective. There is so many who have been thinking about it like me and thausends of others. Some very few who have taken it further like Patric, Loic, VKB, Jeb who also have brought in expertise. The rest of us just walking the planet with dreams, but who is not the ones who is going to make them. Put away your ego, and get to business and give the discussion something new. Wink
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Re: [Dunny] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
Dunny wrote:
Well he got the touch n go worked out Wink

Touch n go? Or slap n flop? Laugh
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
434 wrote:
There is so many who have been thinking about it like me and thausends of others. Some very few who have taken it further like Patric, Loic, VKB, Jeb who also have brought in expertise. The rest of us just walking the planet with dreams, but who is not the ones who is going to make them. Put away your ego, and get to business and give the discussion something new. Wink

Paul, you sound like an old grumpy man mumbling about new generation not respecting the pioneers. Getting old? Have anything to say on the subject instead of showing off your age? Wink

I do respect pioneers, the giants on shoulders of which we all stand. But I don't respect media whores with ginormous egos, and their ass lickers alike.

Patrick = giant
Robi (why did you miss him from your list?) = giant
Loic = giant
VKB = giant

But Jeb? Giant? LOL. Giant ego for sure! But nobody stands on Jeb's shoulders, maybe only himself.

Tell us the secret, what has exactly Jeb done to advance BASE jumping and wingsuit flying? Yes, he's done some jumps, aerials, and flights in nice settings (Jesus statue, Eiffel tower, cave in China), but he hasn't done anything that was revolutionary and that paved the way for others to do routinely, like Patrick, Robi, Loic, and VKB have done - all those who really advanced wingsuits and the art of flying them, and the fruits of whom we all enjoy now.

Until big mattresses appeared, Jeb was quite a mediocre flyer, as anyone who flew wingsuit at least 50 times and put some effort in understanding and perfecting the performance will easily spot from his earlier WS videos. Every time you see him, he's flying in a stall. When big, well-pressurized mattresses appeared, those who had no clue all of a sudden became "expert" fliers, simply because of the nature of big suits - they make it easier to be just a passive payload inside of them requiring almost no effort to fly.

Jeb is just a rich kid who hasn't gotten a clue. And you put some peanut butter on his ass and say, "Uhm... delicious!" Laugh You join the ranks of those stupid YouTube commenters under his videos.

If some stupid billionaire came to Jeb before his spectacular Darwinian slap-n-flop and gave him $1 billion to build a ramp ornamented with diamonds, flowers, and Jeb's pictures in golden frames, like in a shrine, he'd still hit the entrance with his waist and his legs would fly below the ramp, while his ribcage, well done from the heat of friction, will be swiftly delivered to the bottom of the ramp for consumption. Jeb was lucky that there is no such a stupid billionaire, and learned some popular mechanics the hard way. Angelic

Ok, enough of off-topic. How are you going to solve the problem with AoA? Have some gear to prop the fyier up at some angle so that he'll touch the landing surface with feet and some small skis or air board mounted 2-3ft below the chest, to achieve simultaneous 4-point contact? Once you attach rigid structures to pilot's chest, they will hurt him on wipeout. Ok, you made something extending 2-3ft from the chest. What if pilot needs higher AoA to fly when just about to touch ground, and thus feet will still touch down first, causing a faceplant and even more dramatic cartwheel through the neck? Any fixed structure will not be able to adapt to variable flight demands. If nordic ski jumpers has their skis nailed to their legs in fixed position, there won't be any of them left alive. Angelic

Wingsuit with built-in angle of incidence (equal to AoA for anticipated landing flight mode) would allow to fly with your body parallel to surface, eliminating the need for cumbersome structures, but unfortunately, we don't have eyes mounted on top of our heads, as flying such a wingsuit would require the pilot to look straight up, at zenith (relative to body) - ouch!

Anyway, good luck with your project. You fly wingsuit yourself, right? Wink
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Re: [yuri_base] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
just combine this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRboNlm1iyE
with an oddly shaped, bigger airboard, and build (or find a slope that follows your angle of flight. (see picture)

then find a long slope, get someone to kick the airboard down the hill and try to hit the moving airboard.

sorry if i spoiled you plan 434 ;-)

or even better, build an oversized, very fast moving escalator! where can i patent it?

btw, did anyone ever try to winch up a wingsuit from flat ground?

edit to add:
or just get that thing from the video above and kick it down a hill....
wingsuit_landing_device.jpeg
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Re: [84n4n4] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
There's never a dull idea coming from Hershi! Wink

Or just land on the back of a speed skier going down the slope at 80-100mph. Skier's back will solve "AoA problem", and if skier is female, reproductive organs can be used in lieu of hook&pile of Velcro. Angelic

Or just build a high-speed chairlift with constant slope, moving at matching speed. If enough wingsuits are landing in a day, the lift will be started in the morning, and then the engine can be turned off as the continuous flow of landings will keep it in motion for the rest of the day.
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Re: [yuri_base] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
I see I have been pulling this over the edge. Sorry about that.

First of all I did not mention Robi, since I have never heard he wanted to land a wingsuit, or neither thought that was a good idea, or believe anyone could land succesfully so far. He have stated that to me personally how stupid he think that is, and believe it or not I totally agree.

My Airboard two stage thing, is a joke, and a absurd one. However joke or not, I am trying to bring it back down to basics ,where you need a take off, and a landing device, doing take off and landing in a smaller scale, than jumping out of a plane in pure luck, or a 50 - 50 chance to walk away from it. In skijumping where I have mye experience, you start collecting data sine you are a kid, jumping one meter, two meter etc, and push it further and further building experience and knownledge.

I have never said Jeb is the biggest talent, or the best wingsuit flyer but he is willing to bring all the media attention to his person to make trough his plans. I have said it before, I do not agree with Jeb, but he will do it his way either we like it or not. You have also to count in to the fact he is one of the most well knowned base jumper at the moment, and the second ranging is Felix. Bot of them is not much liked by fellow jumpers, but they do not care. they have their goals, doing it their way. We can rage about it, or we can just accept the fact.

Being a Hero or a Zero is just what you believe in this moment, just a thought, words in your mind.

Sorry for what I said, those I did not mention, and at last for what I did not do or say.
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Re: [434] Airboard wingsuit landing project.
434 wrote:
There is so many who have been thinking about it (landing a wingsuit) like me and thausends of others. Some very few who have taken it further like Patric, Loic, VKB, Jeb who also have brought in expertise. (Nasa, stunt coordinators etc) Wink

yuri_base wrote:

But Jeb? Giant? LOL. Giant ego for sure! But nobody stands on Jeb's shoulders, maybe only himself.

Wink