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I wasn't gonna post this and actually deleted it first because it seems too obvious that its ok, but then I thought about how the smaller size could affect flying performance, so here it goes...

I got a flick 354, gonna take out to the drop zone for 2 days of hop n pops, and want to use a sail slider that I have hanging around the house since ive never jumped this vented canopy, and did not know if it would be slamming me out of the plane all weekend.

The sail slider i have has the exact same dimension from the front to rear risers, but is 2.5 inches shorter from left to right risers compared to the stock large mesh slider that goes on it. Im sure it will be fine, just want to see what everyone thinks. Im thinking that even tho its 2.5 inches shorter the fact that its a sail slider will overcome this and give much slower openings. Thanks

In the pic the red sail slider is sitting on top of the mesh, and you can see how it is 2.5 inches shorter than the mesh one.

Also a hooker told me that the sail slider is short the exact length BASE 1459's tiny pecker is:) just sayin

I have a 280 vented canopy with a stock 23 x 28 small mesh slider. Very hard openings.
Switched to a 17 x 24 small mesh. Comfortable openings, flight characteristics are the same, no issues.

with a big old 354 being so new, I doubt there is a ton of experience. (and I know you've contacted the potato folks who probably have the most experience under one.)

so? that is not how BASE developed.

throw it on. hop-n-pop. from an altitude that you know you can cutaway and go to your reserve. jump a reserve that you trust. then report back!

good luck!

The slider sizing/material is different for every canopy. I'd recommend contacting the manufacturer of your specific canopy and asking them if they've tested sail slider sizes for that specific canopy size.

Yea gonna do that tomorrow, it was too late to catch them today. I need to call you tomorrow also, you got any time that would be best to chat for a few?

Where didja' get that, off an old Strato Star or somethin'?
What A/C are you using? Big diff between a C-182 and a King Air. It looks like something I would not be afraid of using. Are the grommet's in good shape? My vote is go do it.

I think it was off a pd 320 or something, need to check them again for burrs but they looked good.

if the canopy is expected to be jumped with a BASE packjob and mesh slider, then i would think that in a skydiving container with a pro pack and mesh slider, it could only be the same or slower opening than base... take like 3-4 solid seconds delay before opening, and your openings will be fine. (roll the shit out of the nose, normal pro pack...)

The aircraft speed will increase the effective "deployment" speed of the canopy. If you're doing go and throws, the opening out of a plane will be a lot snappier than a BASE go and throw.

understood, but a base go and throw will most likely not be with a mesh slider up and pro pack, also the reason i recommend the 3-4 second delay... time to bleed off that horizontal speed and just before serious vertical acceleration... I have jumped my vented blackjack from a plane a handful of times, and openings were quite soft with mesh slider pro pack rolled nose few second delay. quick, but very comfortable... best option in my opinion between that and a slider possibly not intended for this canopy...

Edited to add: CHEERS ;-) ;-)

I completely agree with base 1347s two previous post. (from my limited experience.) I physco packed the Ace canopy I was skydiving, did hop and pops with 3 to 4 second delays and openings were soft. I don't see the need in using a sail slider. Try the mesh with a tight skdive packjob and pull after 2 seconds.. If the opening is too hard then put the sail on.

Another point to mention is do not use a kill line pilot chute.

Oh and Anvilbrother, BASE 1459 says have fun at home tonight with your BFF while the big boys are playing :-)

Why not use a kill line pc if it is d-bagged?

Oh and tell BASE1459 that I got all of the stuff ready for tonight.

I could of sworn I read something stating "do not use a kill line pilot chute on a base canopy while skydiving" somewhere when I was getting ready for my fjc. Having trouble finding that info now, will post later when and if I find it.

Anyway, the reasoning I suspect that was because off the added
weight of the base canopy possibly causing the pilot chute to collapse early.

If this is not correct someone feel free to correct me. Thanks

The kill line pc is designed to collaspe the pc only after the d-bag and canopy are separated. After that the canopy is being inflated by the relative wind and the pc has done its job and is useless at that point.

So, added weight of the canopy should not misfire the kill line since this means nothing when the d-bag is closed and locked until linestretch.

You might have read that using a kill line on a BASE jump is a bad idea. This is true because it adds complexity.

Ok im gonna use mesh, and bring the sail in case it beats me up all weekend. Also both of you are gay, and I expect text updates from tonight!

You wont need a sail slider....Ive jumped my blackjack in my CRW container quite a few times just propacked and rammed into my container (with no D bag) and it was fine actually alot softer than my Competition CRW Triathlon or my lightning, just give a little delay. If you dont know what your doing speak to a CRW dog at your dropzone there show you how to RAM it in there

Deploy Stable.....what can go wrong???

This is my sky rig, a 370 sqft my flik 354 fits in the dbag fine lol.

Ive since had the rig converted from ripcord to boc tho, but thats about enough sky jump talking

Just an update, made 7 jumps this weekend on it, 5 go and throw and 2 terminal. For the go and throw I just d bagged it and did up to 7 second delays, great smooth openings. I took 2 jumps to full terminal I dbagged them and used both direct and indirect slider control, they were strong and left a small mark on my legs but nothing to stop jumping over. No worries about a mesh slider anymore for terminal. The speed on openings were around 134 mph also.

I love when "BASE Jumpers" have no clue what they are talking about...or why...yet feel they are capable of giving advice...

Thanks for the correction. I'm sorry, did I miss your response to the original question this post was in relation to or are you just being a "TROLL"

I've got one of those.

How do you like your 354 and what options did you get with it?


-Blind