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looks like crossed toggles

Wow. That is almost unbelievably stupid. I wounder how he packs his rig. You couldn't walk the lines like that without noticing. I think if I did something that stupid i would burn the video!

lucky he was wearing a GOPRO

It saved him from needing body armor. <smiley face>

Definitely crossed toggles. If it was me, I would figure out how to pack before I did many more gainers in Moab...

left is right , right is left and you will be alright...

as paragliding pilots do to take care of the wing during a reverse launch with cross brakes.. but that's that and this is this and this is not that so this is a mistake.

whoa! how high is this jump before impact?

the landscape looks pretty !!

Complacency.

Complacency seems like an understatement.

Even with just a quick skydiving trying to make the next load style propack it seems like you'd notice. It would be interesting to know if the guy was sober when packing.

Maybe Jester packed it for him?! This guy did have his chest strap done up though so, points for that.

I personally cannot imgaine making that mistake, seems almost impossible with any kind of attention to detail.

This is the 3rd time I've heard of crossed toggles on a SD jump this year! One of the other jumps ended in a building strike with the jumper hung up, on the other the jumper dumped the toggles and landed on risers...

Tying the risers or main harness rings together for packing can help one do this without noticing.
Take care,
space

I've recently seen people set the brakes & tailgate before packing - I would've thought that would make this quite an easy mal to pack...

Risers are a wonderful thing when you know how to use them, ditch the toggles. Could have been avoided.

+1

But glad the dude is ok

Hi Space

Being a dickhead and not checking your line routings can do this.

You should check before you get to the point of tying the risers together.

BASE jumping is not skydiving. You need to do each pack job properly. It takes two minutes to check ALL your line routings and line condition.
This is:
Lazy.
Complacent.
Stupid.
The scourge of contemporary risk management.

Hopefully something was learned.

stake it, and walk it out. a simple line check.

did the jumper in the video break his arm?

jake

+1


Trying to switch his toggles as he goes full flight into the wall is like trying to grab a dropped toggle. Its hard to say what one would do in the heat of the moment. I wouldn't be able to hear myself think over me yelling "WHAT THE FUCK?" But this would never happen to me, I value my life and I pack accordingly. Lessons learned: Check your lines EVERY pack job! Fix the heading before fixing the problem. Have a plan. If you drop a toggle, what do you do? Do you try to get it back somehow? Of course not. You immediately go for the riser. In this case, Once the problem has been identified maybe he should have gone for the riser, not try to switch them back as he is flying into the wall. When I first saw this I thought why is he trying to switch them? Then BLAM! He got lucky.

But heck, what's the worst that could happen?

While I never specifically watched his whole pack job, he sidepacks and from my understanding stows toggles as one of the last steps.

He had pretty bad lacerations to both arms and had to have them both immobilized. Other than that, minor cuts and bruises.

It appears like four different things occurred on that jump. A garden variety 180 to the left (the GoPro view looks to be favoring left after the gainer and during deployment) the misrigged toggles, going for the toggles instead of the risers, and finally not wearing any pads.

All things being equal the canopy should have flown fine (straight) with the toggles crossed and stowed. I mean the crossed toggles in themselves would not impart a turn on their own. And I've listened to all the arguments in favor of toggle grabbing over the last ten years and none of them make sense to me. Get your canopy going in the right direction and then release the brakes. As for battle gear, they're one of those things you don't need until you do.

I'm very glad the jumper didn't come to a worse end as it's often tough to survive four mistakes on a single jump. (I always tried to keep it down to one or two, LOL!)

NickD

I wonder with the brakes 'still' stowed crossed, how much the riser input be effected?

It actually looks like its a 90 left off heading to me.. The jumper then proceeded to steer himself into the wall..

When you land, put your toggles back on the risers where they belong. If you make good a habit of that, your toggles and lines will always be straight.

Wonder what nickname he earned after that one. I packed a clamp once & now everyone calls me Safety Dave. Glad he is ok!

Always do a line continuity check everytime!

I tend to forget that jumpers pack different ways. I don´t actually do a line check in my pack jobs. When I flake it on the floor I flake the material to the lines to the riser.
If there is a stepthrough, i would sort it out. then pack as per norm.
I of course do a line check on assemblies.

Maybe Jester has one over on him with the chest strap thingy, Jester could claim that he was drunk.
Just kidding i think.
Take care,
space

Sell rig, take up bowling.

 I'm glad no one here EVER makes mistakes. I just talked to the young man who made a mistake, and only had to pay with soft tissue damage to his shoulder and a broken radius on the same arm.
He is doing well and stated "Lesson learned" to me. Just goes to show how eager some are to bash a guy who has never done anything to them. The video does tell a great lesson. Procedures, follow them, in preparation, execution and debrief.
He has and will continue to pay the price of his carelessness with the pain from his injuries,while healing and in the future.
Maybe we should refrain from "pouring salt on his wounds" and try for some positive response?
This is not a response to anyone in particular, just a general comment.

Happy (Pick what ever Reason to be joyful) Holiday's!

I have to agree with that.

EDIT: Wanted to add some points but seeing the barrage of negatives from the experienced I refrained. what does an inexperienced asshole have to say?? anyway this is what I had been thinking about.

Before unstowing
1. using the risers would have probably given a lot more docile turn (more sink?) than the usual riser turn, since the riser input would pull the opposite brake as well to some extent.
2. and here asking for some 'lightening response and perfect execution' ......once he sees that the brakes are crossed, how about crossing(ONLY one way will work in the two possible) the hands beforehand and immediately releasing the brakes as they will be in the 'right' hands. symmetrical release would be very good

After unstowing
1. with the brakes still in hand, crossed..go to the risers (here the opposite brake won't have as much effect as it would when set) and steer away, and on the flight away from the cliff, (again asking for perfect execution here) exchange the brakes on the flight down.
2. the dreaded option of letting go the brakes and landing on risers.
3. with the brakes still in hand, switch your brain to think left is right, right is left until you clear the strike and do No. 1 or 2. to

again..... in the heat of the moment, not sure how one would react, unless one had thought about such a possibility. I think I will add this 'mal' to my list of those i have to think about before any future jump. Without the video, I wouldn't know this is possible. (who is perfect here? mistakes happen)

the 'mal' am talking about here is called complacency. That's a killer. With the way I pack, and I have no reason to change it, I do not count the possibility of cross brake packing.

Impact is 380+/-

at the time he hit the wall there is a climber in view. He's approx. 120 feet from the talus.

It's easy for all of you to talk shit about a jump you were not there on, nor do most of you know the jumper, nor do you know anything of what was going on with his packing and events leading up to his mis-routing of his toggles.

Thanks.

BTW I unintentionally added you as a 'friend' while browsing on my phone. Think the IT dude should implement a "Are you fucking sure you want to add him/her as a friend?" confirmation instead of directly sending a friend request. Even I got some requests. Certainly unintentional.

you are correct. people seem to be dumping on this injured jumper. it is not pretty.

BUT, why does it surprise? reading these forums, it appears this jumper is being treated like every other jumper who post videos showing jumper error.

the dude that jumped at ITW, landed in a tree, and then chopped down a tree with a rock fared no better!

that Superfella from MN never got hurt, but was reamed on the boards for some of the videos he posted. supposedly, it provided him a wake up call and he embraced sobriety. kudos to him. I hope he finds continued success.

if people don't like the site and sound of wolves growling and tearing into raw meat in a feeding frenzy, then simply, do not throw the meat into their midst! don't post videos such as this! (yep, and he is certainly NOT the first jumper to make a mistake!)

"nor do you know anything of what was going on with his packing and events leading up to his mis-routing of his toggles."

Apparently neither did he...

I don't think we are bashing him. I mean don't we, more than anyone else, have the right to discuss these things? Don't we, more than most, know the consequences for these mistakes? I spent a year in plaster up to my chest so not pointing out mistakes, even the most obvious ones, is not bashing, it's what we're supposed to be doing. You just have to do it more so from a, "I've done that," or "I can see myself doing that," point of view and refrain from deriding the guy.

NickD

In fear of adding to the dumping, no one has pointed out that poised exits are gay and offer fuck all exit separation over a running exit. Might have even been enough separation to continue that aimless turn all the way around.

One tip that can help with line continuity & flat packing is to untwist the brake lines. Take all four braklines in your fingers & run them toward where the attach to the single brake line. This will show twists if there are any & will also show which riser your steering lines are attached to.

I am glad your buddy is not hurt, & that this is one of those situations that you can look back on & laugh. I am sure he learned a valuable lesson!

 It looks like a bit more than a 90 to me... then I notice some end cell closure on one side... could this have turned him to the wall?

I think if you don't stow your toggles correctly, you are an idiot. You must do the line check. That is like packing with a step through. You must check these things ALWAYS.

Glad dude walked away. Awesome that he has the opportunity to learn without serious injury. I have done many stupid things in which luck was on my side. I certainly don't, however, disagree with the experienced guys that told me i was a FU*&ING IDIOT.

Looks more like he induced a left turn thinking it was his right toggle. Seems like he noticed after the canopy started turning the wrong way.

What does that even mean???

Most people don't know what leads up to anyone besides themselves finishing a pack job. He simply fucked up and I bet he doesn't do it again.

Rigging should be second nature. It really should, but for many jumpers, it is not. I'm fairly critical about rigging mistakes but people make them and there's not much a person can say about that.

I'm not bashing him at all. He was the first person to realize something bad was about to happen. It's a dumb mistake. If he was my friend, I doubt I'd even have to say anything. I'm glad he's ok.

thanks for bringing some common sense ..
its easy to talk shit on the internet,and hide behind the computer.

regardless, shit happens. his biggest mistake was not turning away immediately. then the misrigged toggles would have been a minor inconvenience...

my mentor (who had more jumps than most posting to this thread) made the same mistake years ago. ( the toggles, not the turn)

learn from mistakes, others and your own, try not to shit on each other in the process.

+1 (I'm sure he deserves the shit talking for the most part, but I'm also sure he has already learned his lesson, will never do it again, and doesn't need to hear it!)

Glad that it all ended well...

I do not do a line check. It is absolutely clear if the lines are fouled. How in the hell are you guys packing? Have I missed out on sumptin?
Are you packing the canopy separate from the lines and risers?
Very effin interesting. Let me know. I do not know how to pack without involving the lines and risers. Has sumptin changed?
Take care,
space
edited to add:
p.s. His mentor sux.

This coming from the man who gave the world Felix Baumgartner. A mentor can't be there every step of the way, and shouldn't take the hit in every situation, you should know that better then anybody. Let's not throw stones buddy.

Almost a valid point but where? Did Felix cross his steering lines? Dont forget JV also. FB and JV are great at marketing themselves. I am just a rigger oriented jumper instructor.
As a mentor I can say that another mentor sux.

It is simply rigging. A line between point "a" and point "b". How in the hell can it get simpler? What is the shortest route between 2 points? A line duh. How could his mentor not get this across? Does he tie up his PC with a pull up cord for stowage? That incident came down through 2 mentors.
When it comes to mentorship, throw stones, boulders even.
Take care,
space

I always go down the lines and check the continuity after stowing my brakes, and do a standard 4 line before packing. this is just what I have done and will always do. I just don't see how one could cross their toggles like this, and a 4-line check would catch this if you are not familiar enough with your gear to realize it is wrong. Even if it was a "rushed" packjob, you can also do a "rushed" line check... taking all of about 15 seconds to do.

Cheers!

Actually,......Space raises a good question. Who was this persons mentor? Did they not teach them simple basic packing?

I usually stay out of this stuff, but Space is dead on this one!! Who was this guys mentor? Did they not teach them how to pack properly? Simple basics here. Proper packing is one of the first things you need to know.
It all all starts with packing, or have I been doin shit wrong for more than 1100 BASE jumps!?? There are a lot of variables in BASE,........but simple routing?????

I for one applaud the jumper who tried to include an exciting element into one of the most boring jumps possible on this plague-ridden planet.

Kudos, son. You almost pulled off a coup. For your next 2 second gainer you should wear only a pink Speedo and try to move the impact area from your ulna to your cock bone. Perhaps then, our children will be spared the embarrassment of ever having someone catch them in the process of friending one of your intelectually diluted offspring on Facebook.

Stay on the couch, eat shit with orange dust on it and drink many sodas.
In a few years you'll qualify to live in Arkansas.

Love, $kin.

Jesus.

...don't beat around the bush, get to the point; say what yopu mean! hahahaha.

Merry Xmas Skin

given that the toggles were on the wrong risers, riser input would not have turned the canopy. No?
I guess it may have continued straight along the wall, while he realized the problem (rather than turning him into it).
But I definitely don't think that this could be used as an example of why "risers are better than toggles," only an example of why a reversal of controls on any moving vehicle can be detrimental

I guess the proper procedure would be to ditch the toggles and go for the risers. But if a riser turn were initiated with toggles still in hand, the riser turn would have overpowered the toggle turn due to the fact that it doesn't take much of a stroke to turn/stall a canopy with risers.

That's a point for sure, but still, a little riser equals a lot of toggle.

NickD

Awesome sir .

Hmmm............ Your lack of logic grasps me.
How the fuck can anyone have a scenario plan dealing with such a stupid, idiotic Fuck up? What is my plan if I do not tie my toggles on? WTF happens If I forget to throw my PC? Dont add into the gene pool please. Or maybe do. You remind me of a joke. Remove all warning labels and it will sort itself out.
My attack is on his mentor.
I would still jump withya.
Take care,
space

You like anything that says "pink Speedo".

Whats wrong with a two second gainer? That seems like exactly the perfect amount of time to me.

The biggest mistake was not removing the dildo from his ass while packing. With that kind of distraction, he was lucky only to stow his brakes wrong.