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The PF is tried and true, but what about the tube2 from Pressurized, anybody who has tried it, can make a comparison ? Thanks

Update your profile.
Take care,
space

your profile isn't very filled out either ...

His BASE # gives you some confidence it's worth taking time to reply to his posts..

Space has been jumping 20+ years and lived at 2 of the major European BASE sites, your loss if you don't bump into him, got some great bar stories..

I know who he is. And I have met him.

but to someone who doesn't know him, he is just as much of a random internet user as the guy he is lecturing about unfilled profiles.

"What's in the Bag Tracy?"

YO!
ya got it dude. Why TF should I try to help someone who has no inclination other than to get laid (like that works) by a post on this site.
So.....Iffin it was me, I would basically look for someone to stalk by looking at their posts. I would pick a positive profile but thats just me. Just because I hitched coast 2 coast to get my "E" doesnt mean that I cannot immerse my self in the use of the search button. I really do not want to help out these peeps. They should be the on board and act as a lonely (Klick on this underlined thingy) meerkat They need us, not the other way
round.
OK, so the vid clip aint to the point which proves my point that all one must do is make use of "search". "Profile" etc.
If you want, you can seek and go and help out peeps that are having a drunken keyboard session. Or.... you can filter them via profile.
Sorry I missed BD and you this year. Come on over.
Take care, and thanks for pointing out that my BASE number has credit. Unfortunately, due to the unwritten rules of BASE, #229 owns me for 24hrs and has called me on it so I am rebuilding a BASE canopy that was damaged by a wall strike. I do feel like i was slack to have such a high BASE # so I can imagine you being vid666 and the inadequacy you must feel. So all is lost, come over and jump.
space

Wow! I just have a phenomenal idea. We could maybe do some type of number contravention. Like iffin I was the 283rd person to apply for my BASE number and posted regularly, peeps could search me online. Not sure though.. I will speak Phil Smith BASE#1 to see what he thinks....
Take care,
space

It will only work if the person looking at your name knows about the numbering system and believes that you are in fact BASE283.

Never underestimate peoples laziness. That's the same demotivator behind unfilled profiles.

So if one does not do research I should help them?
How simple can it be? Maybe I should get a BASE number.
And since I have a lower number than you, you owe me one. Figure out linetwists.
Take care,
space

This is remarkable, I ask a very simple and technical related question, and because I choose not to prize my profile with trivia about me and my jumping, no one answers the actual question, but instead starts a weird discussion that would rather fit the general chat.

Would like to give thanks for the PM who actually gave me some pointers and experiences

still, if anybody others out there that have tested both and can compare them of I would really appreciate your experience and knowledge,
thanks

WTF, shall i just give you a loaded gun? Cut me slack please.
You are in the hall by not filling out your profile. Why should any BASEr help you out? I am quite willing to help you and I only asked that you fill out your profile. I could actually help you if I know some details like in your profile. It is your call. I aint gonna give you a loaded gun.
Maybe we could learn from each other.
Take care,
space

July 2011 we will see which suit is going to dominate the World BASE Race tracking competition over 750 meter. It is not going to be an open competition since we are starting out with only 8 jumpers in the final rounds. However if you have something to prove, Phoenix fly and Pressurized will be given wild cards to hand out to their best mountain flyers, and we will also pick those who show consistent top class flying and show good safety attitude. More information will come at our FB page. All competitions will require minimum 100 base jump experience, and 85 tracking or wingsuit base experience.

yeah there are some fantastic trackers who can actually track hardcore...i am stoked to be able to have jumped with some of em this year..i look forward to the people who are competing in the trackathon next year...

BASE283 is correct, fill out your profile.
VID666 is correct, fill out your profile.

A jumper with a BASE # automatically
gets some credibility and the lower the
number, usually, the longer he or she
has been actively jumping.

Of course there are exceptions, for example
BASE66 wrote a great book and did something
way more impressive than me, but he has less
jumps and less current knowledge of gear, etc.

Hence simply putting in some estimates for the
number of years, jumps, and objects gives any
person looking at your profile an idea of your
experiences and where you are coming from.

It is still no guarantee that he or she is not full
of shit, drunk, high, or just making stuff up so
be careful about taking internet as gospel

+1

Dude... are you high??

He's only asking what type of gun he should buy.

If he posted here asking step by step directions to SL an object that is <160 feet then yeah.... now your giving him a loaded gun if you give him those directions.

He just wants to know if HK is better than S&W. He still needs to buy bullets and go to a range and learn how to kill himself which is a completely different question.

And anyone can fill out a number of jumps on their "profile" and you have no idea if they are FOS.

PF...Pressurized...it doesn't matter

as long as its all white, you'll track like a Finn

Hey man, both track pants looks similar. I use a pf wyde and it s really nice , and i saw some jump with a tube and looks cool to. And perhaps more solid. If you love ass landing like me it could be nice to have a solid pant. Anyway both of them will work as you make it working. Your bodie is the weapon! And for all the other whom answer thousand miles away of the question , you should go to french base forum, always nice fights there. You will be able to loose your time as you want. And for all the others let's go jump and try this two gear so we can talk in consequences! Punk's rock my bodie.

 

it's a game that can be played by both sides. the person giving advice can be FOS as well... how will a newbie know who to trust?

read base283's posts and you'll see that he likes assisting others and tries to work with them.

I've removed some posts and banned a user.

let's stay civil, avoid Personal Attacks, and stay on topic. this is the Technical forum, supposedly for serious discussions.

Hi to all Jumpers here,

my name is Marcus, im 39 years old, started skydiving end of may 2010 (180 jumps) and just started BASE-jumping. I read a lot in this forum and the articles (next to many other sites and books) and I am really glad that here is a chance for people to get advice from other more expirienced jumpers. Since I have only jumped low objects so far (Bridges, antenna and a windmill) I now want to practice tracking with a suit and I am not sure which suit I should buy. One of my friends jumps a Tube (1), anotherone jumps the new PF. Both recommend their own suits (no wonder) and both think that there probably is not a big difference in the two suits. I heart and read that the tube 2 should be more forgiving and easier to fly for beginners but maybe doesn,t high perform as the PF.
Since I am a beginner I would then prefer the Tube 2 but wanted to kind of reinsure that the information I achieved are correct.
If anyone already had the chance to fly both suites or can say something about one of them for beginners that would be really nice. I am 1.78 m tall and weigh about 73kg.
Please excuse my spelling and other mistakes.

Thanks in advance,
Marcus

If you can skydive it 30-80 times the PF suit shouldn't get out of control. Just try it out in the sky a lot and make sure to get unstable and recover quickly.

marcus.. who are these two crazy friends of yours? they sound like they get all the ladies and are quite amazing... ;-) ;-)

One thing I can say is that it shouldn't matter for tracking gear if something is "good for beginners"... you should be an expert on the tracking gear whatever type it is in skydiving before you take to BASE. same as everything.

I have talked with the other "friend" that is not me, quite a bit about his suit (it is actually the TS1, not the tube1)... he agrees that his suit really took a decent amount of time to start really getting the performance out of it. With my own PF, I had more problems with this thing in the first 50 jumps than I ever did on my first wingsuit jumps, and you know very well that I am just now starting to really "fly" with this thing..

You have access to both suits, from both of your "friends"... and I am sure they would both let you borrow them (or buy some beer for them)... and I am pretty sure they will both fit you... I would suggest that you refine your tracking skills with no gear... then try out both of these suits for several jumps after you have really learned to properly track without the gear. Whichever one seems to fly easier for you, I would take that one... because in the end myself and your "other friend" have agreed that the same performance can be achieved from both of these suits, and we have witnessed this similarity in performance several times... just minor differences in body position, and that still varies greatly from jumper to jumper...

Cheers Marcus! See you in FLORIDA!!!!!!!!!

If you cant fly a PF suit....Chop your own dick off. Seriously.

How much more, in general terms, does
a tracking suit improve glide compared
to a very good freefly suit?

I own a Freakin' Suit that has the arms
and legs lined with canvas and I can
track my ass off in that thing.

I have also jumped a pair of Bird Man
tracking pants a few times but have
never jumepd a whole suit, so I am
genuinely curious how much more...

200% increase maybe? Just wearing your legstraps on the inside makes a huge difference.
The Birdman pants are worthless.

Here is a post from DZ.com. Interesting reading.

http://www.dropzone.com/...rum.cgi?post=1077472

Well, I know few guys who make more distance with tracking suit then some in V3 from same spot. The "wide" version seems to work well. And from this spot 5sec is max (but not recommendable) in a freefly suit.

If you're using it right, much. If you go to any of the popular big wall sites it is so, so rare to see someone not using a tracking suit (wingsuiters excluded, obviously). There's a reason for that, and it's not just fashion.


Again, much. The BM Pants really aren't comparable to an actual tracking suit.

I cant exactly answer your question because one must fly the suit whichever one jumps. Expose the vents during the exit type of thingy.. The basic physics are this:
Freefly suits use material oscillation for stability and to not produce an airfoil, Tracking wear tries to avoid material oscillation for airfoil stability (which would be not efficient for freeflying.

Hope this helps,
take care,
space

lets bring this devolved thread back to life...Anyone jump both suits and is able to make a comparison? I have about 100 jumps on my PF and mostly satisfied... though I would like a little sturdier of a construction (zipper blew out, vent partitioning stitching at hip ripped). I am consistently getting GR in the 1.5, 1.6 range with fallrates in the low 60s ... Im about 6 at 160 without gear. Curious as to what similar built people achieve in their tubes. I have a bunch of people now asking me at the DZ which one to get and there aren't any resources to point them to. Demos don't really exist, so please don't beat a non existent horse. I couldn't make this informed decision because either no one actually has jumped both, is unwilling to post about it or is just being plain difficult. I went with the PF suit because it was cheaper and it already has a good rep... I was flirting with the tube but decided against it because of price and lacking reviews....I imagine in the grand scheme of things it doesn't fucking matter what you get, your body is your weapon bla bla bla.... but at the outer edges of the performance envelope it just might. Thx in advance...

Due to having more time than money
and between owning a couple light duty
machines and access to a sturdy one I
was curious of your input on this idea:

Make a two piece suit out of some material
that has zero porosity, but make it such
that I can wear it over top of all my pads,
hence each limb and torso would be much
wider/thicker producing a larger airfoil.

Theoretically I know the physics come down
to my increased surface area (and ability to
turn it into better flight performance) versus
the increase in weight...

So my idea ---> Good? Dumb? Worth a try?

I'm jumping the Tube tomorrow. Honestly the construction is impressive (quality and attention to detail).

The size of the vents in the leg are much bigger and rigid on the tube then the PF (I had one and sold it last year)

Even got it built with custom colors, time to completion was accurate. I'm jumping from 14k and I had about 30 skydives with the PF. So it goes back to the other poster... it all in the pilot which I'm still learning.

But I feel the construction and attention to detail is better then the PF.

IMHO

Is this skydiving? How are you measuring the GR?

These number are more usual for a poorly flown wingsuit than tracking suit. It's hard to believe anyone can fly better than 1.1, 1.2 with the current tracking gear.

skydiving... and yes you are probably right. I guesstimated GR crudely with Google earth and eyes and with maybe a little too much enthusiasm ... after looking at it again its probably within the 1.25 min and maybe 1.35 max if ... I have managed on more then a couple of jumps to fly 12000 feet far for 8000 feet fallen... this may be wind related. Most jumps I fly east with a variable strength crosswind coming from the north to north east that I have to counteract to keep a heading. Thus it may be that wind was slightly northwest or even west. It seems to me that I achieve the best ground coverage with very light uppers though.

im getting 8.7 GR with my Gibboline stealth XVII.. it rock the house !!!!!

I hadn't been sky jump'n in months.

The first sky jump with my PF there was a lot of fish-tailing and potato-chipp'n. And then after 20-30 I'd still feel it every now and again but not as much. I was starting to figure it out I guess.

Yesterday was the first sky jump in 3-4 months now with the Tube2.

Never once felt any fish-tailing, potato-chipp'n nada. The suit was stable, pressurized quickly (the vents on the legs are huge) and the cuffs at the ankle are solid material and have a gasket to keep it inflated with minimal loss through the feet.

I'm looking forward to jumping El Cap this March 4th 2011 at 2pm and out tracking the road.

Why would you think it a bad idea?

that might give you an idea of the performance of the tube2....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfh42sD8sUk

for you lazy buggers clicky

Now that's some excellent tracking! Love it!

 It would be interesting to know the glide ratio when passing over the talus...
Did the jumper had any device to measure the glide ratio..?

It might have been at least 1,4:1

Really amazing stuff!